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NY_Bowhunter
07-09-2011, 10:01 PM
Hey all. A big HELLO from NY!! This is my first post on this forum. I recently bought a rarely used Martin Slayer Extreme '08 model with the CAT cams. The previous owner shot it a few times, had the original limbs break on him and Martin replaced the limbs for him. He got the bow back, took a few shots with the "improved" limbs and didn't like it so it sat all the way up until last week. I bought it as a bare bow from him thinking this would be a decent bow to use for possibly 3D shoots or even as a back up bow ... well .... I took it into the local pro shop to have it setup and I even called Martin and talked to a Joel about these "improved" limbs as I became aware of the limb problems Martin has on another forum. I was assured from Martin that the "improved" limbs were much better than the originals and the bow should be a joy to shoot!! I got the bow back from having a QAD HD Hunter drop away rest installed, limb savers installed, Sword AccuSight and a S coil installed and got it home and fell in love with the bow!!! For 30 shots anyways .... I heard a very weird noise on the 30th shot, almost like a "PWANNNNGGGGGGG" and I stopped shooting it as I thought something may have come loose like the sights or something. I looked it over carefully only to find the top limb had shattered!!! It is literally cracked in 10-15 places which I can see and although it's still 100% intact, I'm not so sure what to do with this bow!! Is it worth even calling Joel again to tell him that the "improved" limbs have failed even though I'm not the original purchaser? Should I just sell it as a parts bow and take my losses and forever steer clear of Martin bows? I'm really at a loss. A member from the other Forum that I belong to, pointed me to this forum about this bow prior to shooting it yesterday. I should have maybe done more research on this bow ... the pains of being fairly new to something!!

Jake-the-snake
07-09-2011, 10:10 PM
Hey all. A big HELLO from NY!! This is my first post on this forum. I recently bought a rarely used Martin Slayer Extreme '08 model with the CAT cams. The previous owner shot it a few times, had the original limbs break on him and Martin replaced the limbs for him. He got the bow back, took a few shots with the "improved" limbs and didn't like it so it sat all the way up until last week. I bought it as a bare bow from him thinking this would be a decent bow to use for possibly 3D shoots or even as a back up bow ... well .... I took it into the local pro shop to have it setup and I even called Martin and talked to a Joel about these "improved" limbs as I became aware of the limb problems Martin has on another forum. I was assured from Martin that the "improved" limbs were much better than the originals and the bow should be a joy to shoot!! I got the bow back from having a QAD HD Hunter drop away I heard a very weird noise on the 30th shot, almost like a "PWANNNNGGGGGGG" and I stopped shooting it as I thought something may have come loose like the sights or something. I looked it over carefully only to find the top limb had shattered!!! It is literally cracked in 10-15 places which I can see and although it's still 100% intact, I'm not so sure what to do with this bow!! Is it worth even calling Joel again to tell him that the "improved" limbs have failed even though I'm not the original purchaser? Should I just sell it as a parts bow and take my losses and forever steer clear of Martin bows? I'm really at a loss. A member from the other Forum that I belong to, pointed me to this forum about this bow prior to shooting it yesterday. I should have maybe done more research on this bow ... the pains of being fairly new to something!!

LOL I actually replied to your thread on AT, Makaveli is my name over there. anyways, Im sure Martin will hook you up. My understanding is your improved limbs were from '09...they also had a high failure raite that year. If it were me, I would get the new limbs, ditch the cat cams, as they are way to aggressive for the pocket angles and the limb preload. try to find a set of the older nitrous cams, or a single cam set. They would be easier on the bow, and probably even smoother to shoot.

Or just tear it apart, ditch the limbs, and sell everything.

NY_Bowhunter
07-09-2011, 10:22 PM
LOL I actually replied to your thread on AT, Makaveli is my name over there. anyways, Im sure Martin will hook you up. My understanding is your improved limbs were from '09...they also had a high failure raite that year. If it were me, I would get the new limbs, ditch the cat cams, as they are way to aggressive for the pocket angles and the limb preload. try to find a set of the older nitrous cams, or a single cam set. They would be easier on the bow, and probably even smoother to shoot.

Or just tear it apart, ditch the limbs, and sell everything.

Small Internet!!! LOL ... I figured I may get some more insight into the Martin world over here. :) I'd probably be further ahead just getting a different bow then ya think? I mean, I have the 2011 Bear Carnage which I love, but this Martin was a pretty stout bow for the short time it survived. The CAT cams are too aggressive? No wonder the IBO rating is what it is on the Slayer X!!! Any ideas where I might find these Nitrous Cams at a reasonable price? Again, this isn't my main bow, so I don't wanna put more $$$ into it than it's worth .... not to mention I'm no guru with building bows let alone setting one up myself yet, so everything would have to be done at the local shop.

Jake-the-snake
07-09-2011, 10:28 PM
Small Internet!!! LOL ... I figured I may get some more insight into the Martin world over here. :) I'd probably be further ahead just getting a different bow then ya think? I mean, I have the 2011 Bear Carnage which I love, but this Martin was a pretty stout bow for the short time it survived. The CAT cams are too aggressive? No wonder the IBO rating is what it is on the Slayer X!!! Any ideas where I might find these Nitrous Cams at a reasonable price? Again, this isn't my main bow, so I don't wanna put more $$$ into it than it's worth .... not to mention I'm no guru with building bows let alone setting one up myself yet, so everything would have to be done at the local shop.

They dont make the Nitrous cams anymore. They are like GOLD now to most martin lovers. Your best bet is to just sell the parts then, get your money's worth, and put it towards some equipment or arrows. That is just what I would do. Unless you wanna give the new 2011 limbs a try. I havnt heard anything go wrong with them yet.

Destroyer
07-09-2011, 10:30 PM
Welcome to the forum NY_Bowhunter! :)

Can you post a photo? If they are the 2011 solids I would be surprised that they failed since that was the whole idea for making them. If they are any older then I'm not surprised.

NY_Bowhunter
07-09-2011, 10:32 PM
Unless you wanna give the new 2011 limbs a try. I havnt heard anything go wrong with them yet.


..... 2011 hunting season hasn't hit yet either. LMAO!!!! I was really looking forward to having a Martin ... well ... at least one that is useable!! Oh well ... live and learn I guess.

NY_Bowhunter
07-09-2011, 11:05 PM
Welcome to the forum NY_Bowhunter! :)

Can you post a photo? If they are the 2011 solids I would be surprised that they failed since that was the whole idea for making them. If they are any older then I'm not surprised.

Thanks for the welcome Destroyer!! I'll get some pics up later today as it's 3:35am right now. :) I'm not sure my camera will pick up the cracks but I can assure you, these are not 2011 limbs. I just got the bow from the original owner last week and he had the limbs replaced in 2009 shortly after buying this bow as a leftover in Feb of 2009.

Speedykills
07-10-2011, 03:00 AM
If it were me i would see if i could get it warrenty and get new limbs,even if you had to pay for labor,then at least if you sold it,you would get more money for it.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
07-10-2011, 03:09 AM
If it were me i would see if i could get it warrenty and get new limbs,even if you had to pay for labor,then at least if you sold it,you would get more money for it.I agree with Speedykills.
BTW, Welcome NY_Bowhunter! I am Deer Eliminator over on AT.




Hutch:cool:

Scott
07-10-2011, 05:18 AM
So when does the season open in NY? They have yet to update their web site for the 2011 season. I did see the B.S. that an archer would have to take an 8 hour course befor getting a tag. How stupid is that. Yet they will give any jack ass with a shot gun a tag for the Southern Teir. I was thinking about going back home in October. I know where ther are a bunch of orchards, and one is in my brothers back yard. I might not even need a tag, I won't have the leave the family property to bag a white tail.

HawgEnvy
07-10-2011, 06:29 AM
welcome to the forum. I have the same username on all the forums. Less confusing for me when I log in. Lol.
I've got an idea for those cat cams...

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 07:19 AM
So when does the season open in NY? They have yet to update their web site for the 2011 season. I did see the B.S. that an archer would have to take an 8 hour course befor getting a tag. How stupid is that. Yet they will give any jack ass with a shot gun a tag for the Southern Teir. I was thinking about going back home in October. I know where ther are a bunch of orchards, and one is in my brothers back yard. I might not even need a tag, I won't have the leave the family property to bag a white tail.

I am surrounded by apple orchards!!! :) The 8 hour is the training required for one to get the bow license. You only have to take the course once. They are allowing crossbows this year which is BS in my book. The reasoning behind the crossbow is that those crybabies in the Southern tier are crying about the shotgun noise!! So ... bring in the crossbow!!! The way I see it, if you can pull back 150-180lbs, you can shoot a bow ... if you can pull a trigger, you can shoot a gun!!! NYS is dragging their feet as far as the new regulations goes. I know they are only giving archery season 5 days!! (at least that's what they are pushing for from what I've heard thus far) I've also heard that they want to give out only ONE tag regardless if you have, bow, muzzle loading, crossbow, or rifle. So do you really think I'm forking over over $100 again this year for the super sportsman if I'm only allowed to have ONE tag?? LOL I really don't like NY.


welcome to the forum. I have the same username on all the forums. Less confusing for me when I log in. Lol.
I've got an idea for those cat cams...

Thanks for the welcome!!! Now ... about this idea of yours ........................................

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 07:33 AM
If it were me i would see if i could get it warrenty and get new limbs,even if you had to pay for labor,then at least if you sold it,you would get more money for it.


I agree with Speedykills.
BTW, Welcome NY_Bowhunter! I am Deer Eliminator over on AT.




Hutch:cool:

Thanks for the welcome Hutch! I'll see about the warranty as Speedykills, yourself and others have suggested. It was actually Speedykills that had informed me of this site!! :) Thanks Speedy!! I'm finding alot of great info on here about Martin bows as well as other info in general. Another great forum!!

gravedigger
07-10-2011, 07:48 AM
welcome to MTF.forsure call martin andd see if the will ship you the limbs and just for the sake of learning how to st up a bow i wpuld popst a new thred on how do i set this bow up.we can walk you through it step by step.then you would have a chance to learn a bit about bow set up even if it does not work out on your end.then you would have new limbs among other parts to sell if you cant get it down.rember it is a learning process.i started out gree twords the end of last year and with the help of these great guys on here i can tare my bow down and put it back together.keep in mind you do not need a bow press to tare it down so all the work can be dne at your house.if anythig you will learn more about bows and if all elses fails your going to have new limbs to sell aswell to increse soem of your money if you part it out.the way i see it its a win win

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 08:38 AM
welcome to MTF.forsure call martin andd see if the will ship you the limbs and just for the sake of learning how to st up a bow i wpuld popst a new thred on how do i set this bow up.we can walk you through it step by step.then you would have a chance to learn a bit about bow set up even if it does not work out on your end.then you would have new limbs among other parts to sell if you cant get it down.rember it is a learning process.i started out gree twords the end of last year and with the help of these great guys on here i can tare my bow down and put it back together.keep in mind you do not need a bow press to tare it down so all the work can be dne at your house.if anythig you will learn more about bows and if all elses fails your going to have new limbs to sell aswell to increse soem of your money if you part it out.the way i see it its a win win

I really don't need a press to take this bow apart? What about the pressure on the string and cables and such? Maybe starting a new thread on how to tear down a Slayer X is in order. :) I'm going to try Martin tomorrow to see if I can get new limbs. I can't believe the cams are too aggressive, but you people would definitely know better than I!! I've had the Hoyt's with cam&1/2 and those seemed pretty aggressive, but I never had one problem. Does anyone know why Martin has problems with the limbs? Is it the materials used? Just a bad design? Would this bow hold together with new limbs or is it a lost cause due to the nature of the cams? I'm really torn on whether to completely give up on this bow and all Martin bows based on the problems I see on this and the other forum or try new limbs and hope I have this little beast for many years. I really did like the feel of the bow in general. even with the heavier weight than my Hoyt's, PSE's and Bear bows, it just plain felt good and was fun to shoot. The thought of making "my own" bow is starting to sound better to me, but then the thought of the cost to get all of the parts like cams, liimbs (if not covered by Martin) and such brings reality back as far as what could I own with the same amount of money spent. Decisions, Decisions .....

Money Man
07-10-2011, 09:33 AM
I am surrounded by apple orchards!!! :) The 8 hour is the training required for one to get the bow license. You only have to take the course once. They are allowing crossbows this year which is BS in my book. The reasoning behind the crossbow is that those crybabies in the Southern tier are crying about the shotgun noise!! So ... bring in the crossbow!!! The way I see it, if you can pull back 150-180lbs, you can shoot a bow ... if you can pull a trigger, you can shoot a gun!!! NYS is dragging their feet as far as the new regulations goes. I know they are only giving archery season 5 days!! (at least that's what they are pushing for from what I've heard thus far) I've also heard that they want to give out only ONE tag regardless if you have, bow, muzzle loading, crossbow, or rifle. So do you really think I'm forking over over $100 again this year for the super sportsman if I'm only allowed to have ONE tag?? LOL I really don't like NY.

First, welcome to the forum. Glad to see another NYer here. From the sound of your post, you must be in the northern zone somewhere.
Second, here is a link about the crossbow http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/crossbowform.pdf I don't agree with the way NY handled the crossbow situation. They figure everyone that hunts will want to use a cross bow and they planned on the sales tax revenue from the bow sales of all the crossbows which would be sold. Then since they stuck the crossbow in regular season, as well as muzzleloader season, they figured they would get more people to buy the muzzleloader season tags. I had a copy of the draft of this, but let my father read it, so I can't give you the actual figures they were using.
Third, so take the pressure off your sting to work on the bow without a press, turn the limb bolts out until you can see the end of the bolt in the barrel nut on the riser. Make sure you back the bolts out evenly 2-3 turns on top, then 2-3 turns on the bottom. Keep them even until you are backed out that you can see the end of the bolt and you should be able to just slip the string off and do you work.

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 09:41 AM
First, welcome to the forum. Glad to see another NYer here. From the sound of your post, you must be in the northern zone somewhere.
Second, here is a link about the crossbow http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/crossbowform.pdf I don't agree with the way NY handled the crossbow situation. They figure everyone that hunts will want to use a cross bow and they planned on the sales tax revenue from the bow sales of all the crossbows which would be sold. Then since they stuck the crossbow in regular season, as well as muzzleloader season, they figured they would get more people to buy the muzzleloader season tags. I had a copy of the draft of this, but let my father read it, so I can't give you the actual figures they were using.
Third, so take the pressure off your sting to work on the bow without a press, turn the limb bolts out until you can see the end of the bolt in the barrel nut on the riser. Make sure you back the bolts out evenly 2-3 turns on top, then 2-3 turns on the bottom. Keep them even until you are backed out that you can see the end of the bolt and you should be able to just slip the string off and do you work.

Thanks Money Man!! I actually live right on the Northern/Southern zone boundary. I walk across the road and I'm in Northern zone, go back home and I'm in Southern Zone. LOL I totally agree about the crossbow deal. Not good for many reasons!! I know a few people who have bought them as they think it's a novelty item. I can see alot of injuries coming in the next hunting season. I do hope that's not the case but seeing people treat the crossbow as a toy isn't speaking well of what's to come. Anyways, I appreciate the info on the limb bolts and I'm gonna tear me down a Martin in a few minutes!!! :) If nothing else, with the help from the members here, I'll at least learn alittle more about this particular bow!!!

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 10:19 AM
Well ... it's apart!! LOL That didn't take long and simple as could be!! I did find the bottom limb was also cracked where the limb bolt contacts the limb so both limbs are done. Here's a weird thing though. Upon removal of the limbs, I found 13" and 8/08 on the limbs. Were the originals replaced with another set of limbs from 08??? I suppose it's possible that these aren't really "upgraded" limbs afterall but merely another set of '08 limbs which may have been sent out to replace the originals. I only wish I knew more about bows so I could come up with a combination that would make this one sweet and RELIABLE bow!! One person had mentioned 14" limbs and going with Nitrous B or Nitrous C cams .... if I did do something like that, providing that Martin won't send out another set of limbs, would someone here know the length of the cables and string to accomplish this? Look at this .... not even a member for 24 hours and tearing a bow apart!!! :)

Arrow Splitter
07-10-2011, 10:52 AM
Welcome to the Martin Tech forum NY_Bowhunter!!!:cool:
If I'm not mistaken, those are 2008 limbs that you have. Martin is making the square ended limbs for 2011, because I just got my limbs replaced on my 2007 Jaguar. I don't know if they changed anything or not, but so far so good, even though I haven't shot much.:cool:

A.S

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Welcome to the Martin Tech forum NY_Bowhunter!!!:cool:
If I'm not mistaken, those are 2008 limbs that you have. Martin is making the square ended limbs for 2011, because I just got my limbs replaced on my 2007 Jaguar. I don't know if they changed anything or not, but so far so good, even though I haven't shot much.:cool:

A.S

Thanks for the info and the welcome Arrow Splitter! I'll check in with Martin tomorrow and see what if anything they can do. Does your bow happen to have the CAT cams? They seem to be the source of the problem at least for this bow and it's limb problems. Did your replacement limbs require the use of plastic washers or spacers?

Arrow Splitter
07-10-2011, 11:08 AM
Thanks for the info and the welcome Arrow Splitter! I'll check in with Martin tomorrow and see what if anything they can do. Does your bow happen to have the CAT cams? They seem to be the source of the problem at least for this bow and it's limb problems. Did your replacement limbs require the use of plastic washers or spacers?No, I have a Dyna single cam, and I don't need washers or spacers.

LIbowhunter
07-10-2011, 11:22 AM
Welcome, I'm a newbie myself and hoping I don't run into the same crapola you did as I just bought a used Martin that was made in '09. I haven't had a chance to shoot it a lot yet but the guy I bought it from has shot it a ton since he bought it in '09. Hopefully my bow stands up a bit nicer than the reputation I've read about with some of these bows.


So when does the season open in NY? They have yet to update their web site for the 2011 season. I did see the B.S. that an archer would have to take an 8 hour course befor getting a tag. How stupid is that. Yet they will give any jack ass with a shot gun a tag for the Southern Teir. I was thinking about going back home in October. I know where ther are a bunch of orchards, and one is in my brothers back yard. I might not even need a tag, I won't have the leave the family property to bag a white tail.

Same as always. Early Archery is October 15th in Southern Zone, Regular Season opens the Saturday before Thanksgiving in the Southern Zone. The 8 hour Bowhunter's Safety course has been around for a long, long, time. Its nothing new.


I am surrounded by apple orchards!!! :) The 8 hour is the training required for one to get the bow license. You only have to take the course once. They are allowing crossbows this year which is BS in my book. The reasoning behind the crossbow is that those crybabies in the Southern tier are crying about the shotgun noise!! So ... bring in the crossbow!!! The way I see it, if you can pull back 150-180lbs, you can shoot a bow ... if you can pull a trigger, you can shoot a gun!!! NYS is dragging their feet as far as the new regulations goes. I know they are only giving archery season 5 days!! (at least that's what they are pushing for from what I've heard thus far) I've also heard that they want to give out only ONE tag regardless if you have, bow, muzzle loading, crossbow, or rifle. So do you really think I'm forking over over $100 again this year for the super sportsman if I'm only allowed to have ONE tag?? LOL I really don't like NY.



Thanks for the welcome!!! Now ... about this idea of yours ........................................

Crossbows are being legalized because enough hunters in New York State wanted them to be legalized. Even though NY can do nothing right with our taxes and its spending, I have to say when it comes to DEC's efforts to do what sportsmen and women ask for, they have a great track record in most cases. They started the antler restriction program because hunters in those areas asked for them. Not because they decided it was best for the deer herds. In actuality, DEC does not believe that the health of the deer herd or hunter success is related to antler restrictions at all. A majority of hunters wanted it so DEC worked to give it to them. NY Bowhunters, Inc. has been pushing to have the Southern Zone early archery season open on October 1 and DEC is working to make that so with the current Deer Management Plan they have spent over 5 years developing.

Keep in mind that NY Bowhunters, Inc. have put out a ton and then some of bad information as well as outright lies. Besides Oregon, New York is the only state that does not allow crossbows to be used as a hunting implement in at least one season. Most of the states allow its use during the archery season with no ill effects towards hunting success, deer numbers, and all the other garbage NYB wants you to believe. As far as the statement, "If you can pull 150 pounds you can pull a bow" that is real ignorant talk there. Guys like my uncle who has a bad shoulder his whole life and could never pull a bow at all lost out when the crossbow was not allowed to be used during the early archery season in the southern zone. NY Bowhunters, Inc. have a very "its my way or the highway" attitude and what the current members do not realize or were not even born yet to experience is that back in the 1950's and 60's when compound bows first became popular, NY Bowhunters, Inc. was the first group to come out AGAINST them and try to keep them from being used. The current crop is doing the same thing now. Bottom line, crossbows do not make you a better hunter and do not lead to more deer harvested. You still get the same number of tags and you still have to shoot straight, practice and put the arrow where it belongs. If you look at the physics behind a crossbow, the limbs are half the length of a compound bow which is why the draw weight is doubled or more to achieve the same kinetic energy to deliver a bolt at speeds very similar to compounds. Crossbows don't shoot any faster, any farther, or any more accurately than a compound can. You still have to master the equipment and practice constantly.

DEC's deer management plan is also being scrutinized and a lot of misinformation is being spread again by NY Bowhunters and other sportsman's groups who want what THEY want to happen and make the decisions for all of New York. Between NY Outdoor News and NY Bowhunters there are more lies than facts being circulated around NY. Public comments are welcome by DEC through July and anything that they propose has to be voted on, signed into law, and won't go into effect for the 2011-2012 Hunting Season.

Yes I teach Hunter's Ed and Bowhunter's Ed for DEC and yes I am satisfied with how they manage the State's deer populations.

NY_Bowhunter
07-10-2011, 02:26 PM
Welcome, I'm a newbie myself and hoping I don't run into the same crapola you did as I just bought a used Martin that was made in '09. I haven't had a chance to shoot it a lot yet but the guy I bought it from has shot it a ton since he bought it in '09. Hopefully my bow stands up a bit nicer than the reputation I've read about with some of these bows.



Same as always. Early Archery is October 15th in Southern Zone, Regular Season opens the Saturday before Thanksgiving in the Southern Zone. The 8 hour Bowhunter's Safety course has been around for a long, long, time. Its nothing new.



Crossbows are being legalized because enough hunters in New York State wanted them to be legalized. Even though NY can do nothing right with our taxes and its spending, I have to say when it comes to DEC's efforts to do what sportsmen and women ask for, they have a great track record in most cases. They started the antler restriction program because hunters in those areas asked for them. Not because they decided it was best for the deer herds. In actuality, DEC does not believe that the health of the deer herd or hunter success is related to antler restrictions at all. A majority of hunters wanted it so DEC worked to give it to them. NY Bowhunters, Inc. has been pushing to have the Southern Zone early archery season open on October 1 and DEC is working to make that so with the current Deer Management Plan they have spent over 5 years developing.

Keep in mind that NY Bowhunters, Inc. have put out a ton and then some of bad information as well as outright lies. Besides Oregon, New York is the only state that does not allow crossbows to be used as a hunting implement in at least one season. Most of the states allow its use during the archery season with no ill effects towards hunting success, deer numbers, and all the other garbage NYB wants you to believe. As far as the statement, "If you can pull 150 pounds you can pull a bow" that is real ignorant talk there. Guys like my uncle who has a bad shoulder his whole life and could never pull a bow at all lost out when the crossbow was not allowed to be used during the early archery season in the southern zone. NY Bowhunters, Inc. have a very "its my way or the highway" attitude and what the current members do not realize or were not even born yet to experience is that back in the 1950's and 60's when compound bows first became popular, NY Bowhunters, Inc. was the first group to come out AGAINST them and try to keep them from being used. The current crop is doing the same thing now. Bottom line, crossbows do not make you a better hunter and do not lead to more deer harvested. You still get the same number of tags and you still have to shoot straight, practice and put the arrow where it belongs. If you look at the physics behind a crossbow, the limbs are half the length of a compound bow which is why the draw weight is doubled or more to achieve the same kinetic energy to deliver a bolt at speeds very similar to compounds. Crossbows don't shoot any faster, any farther, or any more accurately than a compound can. You still have to master the equipment and practice constantly.

DEC's deer management plan is also being scrutinized and a lot of misinformation is being spread again by NY Bowhunters and other sportsman's groups who want what THEY want to happen and make the decisions for all of New York. Between NY Outdoor News and NY Bowhunters there are more lies than facts being circulated around NY. Public comments are welcome by DEC through July and anything that they propose has to be voted on, signed into law, and won't go into effect for the 2011-2012 Hunting Season.

Yes I teach Hunter's Ed and Bowhunter's Ed for DEC and yes I am satisfied with how they manage the State's deer populations.

Thanks for the welcome!!! Opening day is the last week in Sept ... I think opening day was the 27th of September last year. DEC is not on many hunters good list. I've never heard of any bowhunters organization that you mention but I will tell you that NYS DEC has gone BAD since you wanna go there!! (4 of my family members work for the NYS DEC by the way, and not a ONE of them are happy with what has happened within the DEC in the past 5 years!!) I won't go on and on about what the DEC has done in just the last year, but since you work for DEC ... you know. This thread is not about NYS DEC nor is it one for someone from DEC to bash a group of hunters as you have. I'm free to make up my own mind on what is fact and what is fiction, but not having heard of the publication or hunter organization you mention ... I think you need to chill abit. Sure there was a few questions in this thread about when the season starts and crossbows and just chitter chatter ... where does someone from NYS DEC get off bashing hunters or their organizations??? ... and here I thought that DEC was suppose to work WITH the hunters to have a positive affect on the population of the animals and the hunting experience as a whole here in this state!!! I'm sorry to hear about your Uncle's bad shoulder and how he can't pull back a bow but I do have one question ... how can he pull back the crossbow if he can't handle 40lbs of a bow? 150+ lbs outta be real fun for him. I do realize there are cranks and such to actually aide in this by the way. Why don't you think BEFORE you talk. What is wrong with what I said? When I made that statement about the 150lb pull, I was referring to those that are HEALTHY buying crossbows and all of the excuses I've heard fromTHEM as reasons to buy one. Lots of misinformation?? I will agree on that as well as alot of ASSUMING on your part sir!!!! As for the July deadline for suggestions .... July what?? It's July now!!! 2 months away from opening day for bowhunting and we STILL don't have the 2011-2012 dates or regulations in place do we?? I'll be sure to include this thread when I do submit my suggestions to DEC and see what they think about the public image they repeatedly put forth for all to see. Now I guess all of this forum can see what we hunters have to deal with in NYS!!! Congrats on embarrassing us fellow NY'ers. Oh one more thing since you're on the crossbow band wagon which I'm really not for or against 100% at this point, a crossbow has been legal in NYS for many years!! It has been allowed for those with disabilities it also had to have a breath operated trigger!! So please, let's not get into a pi$$ing match over something that really has nothing to do with this thread. I thoroughly enjoy hunting, I really enjoy bowhunting, fishing and many other outdoor activities here in NYS. I find it a true privilege to belong to 4 Rod & Gun clubs and have a place to shoot my guns as well as my children having a place to learn to SAFELY operate a firearm and participate in .22 shoots on a regular basis. I also find it a privilege to have places to launch my boat and go fishing with the family. I do NOT however find it a privilege to have someone from NYS DEC play the "I'm better than thou" BS and try to embarrass me either on the internet or in person when they don't know what they're talking about. If I'm in the wrong, I have NO problem admitting I'm wrong ..... I'm not wrong in this case sir. Have a great day. (I am now going to ask a Mod to please close this thread as I don't want this getting out of control. I want this forum and all forums I visit and frequent to be a place to talk to others, get much needed info and just plain have a good time and meet new people as it should be.)

Hutch~n~Son Archery
07-10-2011, 03:38 PM
This thread is going to be closed.
The reason I am closing it is; it went off topic and became a matter of 2 different opinions. Before it gets heated its time to move on.

Hutch:cool: