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NeilMac
08-29-2011, 06:45 AM
This shoot was held over the weekend in Devon / Cornwall. I was not there, but Kev was (look out for him with a trophy).

Link to photos: http://www.harrisonimages.co.uk/toads0811/Toadsaug11/content/index.html

bfisher
08-29-2011, 07:53 AM
There are three things I notice quite readily. One: alot of women and kids. Good for the sport. Two: A lot of recurves and long bows. Three: Looks like everybody had a good time. Lots of smiles.

Thanks for posting. Made my day.

NeilMac
08-29-2011, 09:13 AM
Pretty typical for a NFAS (National Field Archery Society) shoot, especially on a holiday weekend (as it is over here).

Recurve classes are bigger by far than the compound classes over here, with separate classes for American Flatbow (longbow) and Longbow (English Longbow), as well as hunting type recurves without sights shooting wooden arrows (only) and even primitive bow classes.

You'll also notice we like a cuppa and a bacon sandwich too, oh and home made cake....mmmmmm caaakke.

Destroyer
08-29-2011, 09:25 PM
Recurve classes are bigger by far than the compound classes over here

That's because they are 'real' bows lol! But yes, everyone looks very happy. :D

Don B
09-01-2011, 05:02 PM
Awsome pics, Neil.
That is a real nice looking range. It nice to see a target with the arrows all not in the spot..:cool:
Don.

NeilMac
09-02-2011, 10:42 PM
Here's another link to a shoot held in the spring at the club Kev belongs to. They have another shoot in October which I will be attending, as Ashcombe always set a challenging course.

Link: http://ashcombe-archers.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=122655066

bfisher
09-03-2011, 09:45 AM
I couldn't find it nor did I see it mentioned, but just how many shooters are drawn to these affairs? Looks to be good attendance.

EnglishKev
09-03-2011, 10:22 AM
Here's another link to a shoot held in the spring at the club Kev belongs to. They have another shoot in October which I will be attending, as Ashcombe always set a challenging course

Hopefully the shoot will go as planned Neil, but the new gates at the entrance to the woods have been nicked!! local Pikey's strike again:mad:
At the moment the landowner has blocked the entrance with some big sections of tree trunks.
I'll keep you posted.


I couldn't find it nor did I see it mentioned, but just how many shooters are drawn to these affairs? Looks to be good attendance.

We have had a bit of a drop in attendances at shoots due to the high cost of fuel and the economy crash.
However. most local shoots can still field 75 to 100 entants.
Neil told me the one in Wales he attended a few weeks back only had around 38, but I think that is unusually low (mind you, it was Wales after all;)).

Kev

NeilMac
09-03-2011, 11:30 AM
Exactly what Kev said.

I have been doing these kinds of shoots since around 2006, on an off. Around our area (South West England) there are usually up to 120 archers, however, I was shooting with a lady from the Midlands and their club shoot can see as many as 220.

The shoot co-ordinator for NFAS tries to get clubs within the same region not to clash dates, as that really affects numbers, and the recent shoot I attended in Wales clashed with another popular venue. This effectively meant the Devon and Somerset archers mostly went to the shoot in Dorset, leaving around 50 more hardy and serious archers (:rolleyes:) to risk life, limb and a twisted ankle to the mountainous Welsh course at Hawk.

The organisers at Hawk were pretty pleased with the turnout for two reasons. First, the club is several miles off the beaten track (close to the place on the map marked Yer be Dragons). Second, the course at Hawk has a reputation for taking no prisoners (one of the reasons I like it so much). The downside of this is that some people will give it a miss (shame on them). I hasten to add that Kev is not one of those people, he would love the course, but it's a pretty long drive from Devon the Abergavenny.

Pikey = A roaming people who laughingly call themselves travellers. Usually of Irish decent...or just Irish, they will 'liberate' anything that can be resold, melted down and resold or used to power their caravan pulling flatbed trucks. These people have no connection in any way to genuine Romany People.

Kev; Lots of reports of stolen roofing lead, red diesel, farm implements, scrap metal, Shetland ponies (which the Pikey love to collect), trout (from lakes) and at present pheasant poults. I even read that 80 apple trees were striped of their fruit overnight...now that one you have to admire, if only for the organisation to do it. Mind, I suspect that was too much work for Pikey's, probably European migrant workers over for the picking season.

Sorry fella's, nothing to do with archery, but everything to do with 'peaceful rural life'.

bfisher
09-03-2011, 01:55 PM
Thanks for those definitions, Neil. Being from the western side of the pond I didn't know what Kev was referring to when he said, Pikey.

Around my parts there are numerous archery clubs. Most do have 3D shoots, mostly just club shoots. One club I belong to is one of five in a winter league that starts the Sunday before Christmas. Three shoots each (rotation) for 15 consecutive weeks. Rain, snow, ice, sunshine. It doesn't matter. The shoot goes on. One day, Sunday, registration from 7:00am to 1:00 pm.

We used to average about 160 shooters per shoot and I have seen as many as 325 at one club a few years ago. The last couple years those numbers have dropped and we're lucky to see 60 shooters. It used to be 35 yard max, but a few diehard IBO shooters complained that it was too short so those in charge added another stake to make it 45 yard maximum. These guys were the typical Hold-everbody-up type and ticked people off. Guess that's why many quit coming. Now the IBO shooters don't even show up after being accommodated. This year we are going to make it a 40 yard max and see what happens, but I'm afraid the damage has been done.

We also have several clubs with indoor facilities and indoor 3D shoots to 30 yards in the winter time. These are usually pretty cool with fake trees, logs and other things to make shots a tad on the difficult side. Best part is that with nothing over 30 yards it's hard to screw up too bad on distance.

NeilMac
09-03-2011, 11:42 PM
When I first started shooting at a club, waaaay back in 1986, there was a battle going on between a tiny part of the club, that wanted to shoot IFAA type spots and he main body that shot NFAS animal faces. The club tried it's hardest to accommodate the spot shooters, but whenever a new archer would join up, especially one that could shoot (as I apparently could) then a 'battle of their soul' would be launched by the spot shooters. Of course they were only trying to get people to be as enthusiastic about their particular style of archery as they were, but like so many evangelists they were unable to see that there was plenty of room, within the sport, for both styles. In the end they left and the club went 100% NFAS animal faces / 3D's and was highly successful for many years, ending up with a membership of over 250 people.

Unfortunately, about three years ago the committee was taken over by trad archers who started to influence the course designs, taking out all the long shots, actively discouraging compound archers and being very rude about individuals. Given that they had one compound archer who was IFAA World Champion / multiple NFAS champion, another archer who was another NFAS / EFAA champion and still is probably the best all round compound archer in the Uk and lastly myself rated as a pretty fair club level archer, with a lot of club level wins a and a couple of 5th places at NFAS championships, you would have thought there would have been a degree of club pride, that our club produced good compound archers, as well as some top trad archers, but apparently not, so I left ,as did many other folk last I heard they had 85 members.

I don't understand factionalism; I do my thing and am happy for everyone else to do theirs. I have no need to influence them and can get along with pretty much anyone, but there are those that will always try to change things for their own interests, and when it affects clubs and societies in such a detrimental manner, I do wonder why the majority put up with it, or perhaps the fact that numbers drop indicates that they don't.

EnglishKev
09-04-2011, 08:49 AM
We have 10 equipement classes in NFAS, only 3 of which are for compund bows and 1 for crossbow.
On the whole, the trad and non trad shooters get along pretty good, although there are sometimes exceptions as detailed by Neil.
Most of the folks in my club shoot some variation of non compound, although the wheeled numbers are rising.
I am known as the Dark Lord (heavy breathing ''Feel the power of the compound bow'' more heavy breathing) LoL and will accept responsibility for the increase of interest in the 'Dark Side':cool:.

As for competitions, the usual method of mixing the styles in the shooting groups over here makes it more interesting for me, I like shooting and talking with the non compund archers.
I think this method of grouping also helps reduce the 'them and us' syndrome and is healthier for the sport.

Kev

NeilMac
09-04-2011, 09:01 AM
As for competitions, the usual method of mixing the styles in the shooting groups over here makes it more interesting for me, I like shooting and talking with the non compound archers.
I think this method of grouping also helps reduce the 'them and us' syndrome and is healthier for the sport.


I totally agree Kev, and I think the comment made by Patrick, the (English) Longbow archer at the end of a day shooting with THREE compound archers ( Pete, Kev and myself) was great " If anyone tells me compound archers take archery too seriously and don't like to have a laugh, I will tell them they are wrong. Shooting with you gents has been the most fun I've had in a while".

My first ever 3D comp was in a group with a barebow compound archer, a recurve archer and an English Longbow archer. We had such a good time and laughed so much that I could not wait to take part in my next comp. Mind you, I've met some miserable types too, usually in Unlimited class (All the bells and whistled compounds) :rolleyes: