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Magnus777
10-01-2011, 03:11 AM
Hello. I have and old M-41 Cougar Speed-Flite that I just dearly love. I had a pro-shop special order it back in 1993, with the wooden recurve limbs, and Speed-Flight wheels specifically to shoot with fingers. I have never cast an arrow from a compound bow that was better looking, more silky-smooth to draw, with absolutely zero shock after release...and just an all around pleasure to shoot! Suffice to say, I am very fond of it, even though she's a hefty beast by today's standards, and I see little reason to replace it. However, there is a problem...over the years I've been quite lax about turning down the poundage in the off season, and as a result those wonderful wood limbs have steadily lost poundage. I ordered it with a 65-80lb. draw weight; now, nearly 20 years later, the peak, measured draw weight is 59lbs.
I know it's a long shot, but might their possibly be some NOS limbs for this bow gathering dust in a dark corner somewhere? I posed this question to Martin, but while I'm waiting on a reply I thought I would ask around in the Tech Forum. Of course I would love to have a duplicate set like the ones that came on it, but to keep from having to retire it I would go for fiberglass, in whatever color is out there. As I understand it from reading the forums, limbs from some other models may indeed fit on my riser, and I would be open to this, also. Is there perhaps a company, or enterprising individual out there making custom, one-off limb sets? Or do I just have to accept the fact that the old girl has reached the end of her life? Please say it isn't so!
As an aside, is it safe to shoot with the original limbs, seeing as how they are more than 5lbs. under spec? Thanks in advance for your consideration. Any suggestions will be gladly accepted.

peace
10-01-2011, 03:35 AM
I don't know how old you are but during this winter I will turn 59 and I prefer to draw less weight now these days. I think the bow is just gracefully
accommodating you. :)



4571

Smarten Up and Martin Up

elkslayer4x5
10-01-2011, 04:01 AM
How long ago the the old girl get her last set of strings? I'd ask about the cables, but they're steel are'nt they? There was a similar post a while back, and in it someone ( Barry? ) said that limbs don't usually loose their power, or that much power. Check your specs, my thought is that there has been some streching and that the bow is out of spec, and the limbs need more pre-load.
Welcome to the forum, and since you've told us what a beauty she is, how about posting a few pics? We love seeing old bows. :)

bfisher
10-01-2011, 04:15 PM
Sounds like you have a real love affair with that baby. Maybe rightfully so. This was back when bows ween't so darn technical as they are today. From my experience I think it's pretty amazing that those limbs have only lost about 5# over an 18 year period. Maybe I'm misinterpretting something, but if they are rated 65-80 just what is the problem?

You mention they are drawing 59#. I would assume that is with the limbs backed out to what used to be 65#. Just at what draw weight do you want to shoot the bow? If 75# or less it would just be a matter of adjusting the limb bolts to your desired draw weight. If you think you have to have that 80# back then I would make a couple of suggestions. Peace suggested less poundage as he got older. You might do the same.

The other is to contact Dave Barnesdale to see if he has or can make you a set of custom limbs. With today's technology they would most likely be laminated glass composites. I couldn't do more than guess at the cost, but around $200 would seem about right. He could give you more details and is a right nice guy to talk to. And make no mistake. He makes the best limbs money can buy.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

Welcome to the forums, fellow Martin owner.

Barry

Magnus777
10-03-2011, 06:37 AM
First of all, thanks to all for your timely, and courteous replies.

My apologies, I just spent half an hour typing out a thoughtful response to each of you. Then, after happily submitting my reply, I came back to find the forum had signed me out. After signing back in, my entire respone was deleted...erased...wiped out! And I just don't have the heart to do it all over again, so not to seem rude, but I will be brief.

I'm 40 this year...felt 60+ for the last decade. My poundage setting when this bow was new was 72#, and as a young, strapping Marine, that seemed just right. Now, not so much.

Yes, I do love my old bow. Want to keep it.

New string last year. Re-measured this year. Yes, steel cables.

To be clear, I have wood composite limbs. If the limb bolts are not cranked out, and the poundage reduced in the off season, the wood fibers "crush" over time, and the limbs weaken. Loses about 1lb. a year...and unlike glass limbs, which are "set, and forget"...and because I'm a knucklehead, I let it happen to my Cougar.

My max poundage setting when new was 80#'s. That was nearly 20 years ago. My max poundage today, where I have it set at currently, with the limb bolts cranked all the way in, then backed off 1/4 turn, is 59#'s. I don't mind shooting at this poundage, I'm just afraid I will draw back one time to many, and grenade one of the weakened limbs. Ouch!

I have looked at Barnsdale's; beautiful, quality work! Even at the price he charges, I could repair my bow for half what a new bow costs. On the one hand, that's HALF what a NEW bow costs! On the other hand...that's three hands, so far....I could give my old girl new life, and she would be unique, custom, and equiped with the best limbs on the market.

or...

I could buy a bow off theBay, and canabalize the glass limbs...but I don't have the heart to do that to another, old Martin.

or...

I could do away with the cables and pullies, and make a takedown recurve out of it. Maybe.

Other opinions? Ideas? Suggestions? Anybody built a Frankenbow before, from odds and ends?

Thanks,

Sledge

peace
10-03-2011, 06:49 AM
From the sounds of it, you are definitely in the market for a new bow. I would go out and shoot just about everything I could get my hands on. Me, I am partial to Martins and Rytera's. It has a lot to do with the grip. I don't like Glocks either because of the grip. Just me. Also Martin's overall archery business philosophy and commitment to the industry's well being as well as coupled with their excellent customer service has made a loyal customer out of me.

I believe that when you buy something like a bow you are buying into that companies system also, so I look at more than the bow. I feel the same about computers, cameras and even cars.

I would keep the old one around but I really believe there is a bow out there with your name on it. I'm just saying.


Smarten Up and Martin Up

HawgEnvy
10-03-2011, 09:54 AM
i'd go shoot a few,then maybe look for a good price on one on AT classifieds. gracefully retire your best girl to the wall.let her live an easy life reminding you of all the memories you've shared. you could look for a Cougar 3 mag with the Fuzion cam. longer AtA than the newer Martins and it has a pretty smooth draw w 315-320 ibo

peace
10-03-2011, 10:12 AM
i'd go shoot a few,then maybe look for a good price on one on AT classifieds. gracefully retire your best girl to the wall.let her live an easy life reminding you of all the memories you've shared. you could look for a Cougar 3 mag with the Fuzion cam. longer AtA than the newer Martins and it has a pretty smooth draw w 315-320 ibo


I don't think he'll find a Cougar 3 Mag because it is one heaven of a bow, it delivers. As bows go it is about perfect. In camo I'll admit its ugly but beauty is only skin deep, LOL!

HawgEnvy
10-03-2011, 12:36 PM
there was one on CL. Matter of fact,the guy offer it to me in addition to cash for the Pearson I had for sale. What about the Phantom 3 w fuzion? My pro shop has one for cheap?

elkslayer4x5
10-03-2011, 01:04 PM
First of all, thanks to all for your timely, and courteous replies.

My apologies, I just spent half an hour typing out a thoughtful response to each of you. Then, after happily submitting my reply, I came back to find the forum had signed me out. After signing back in, my entire respone was deleted...erased...wiped out! And I just don't have the heart to do it all over again, so not to seem rude, but I will be brief.

I'm 40 this year...felt 60+ for the last decade. My poundage setting when this bow was new was 72#, and as a young, strapping Marine, that seemed just right. Now, not so much.

Yes, I do love my old bow. Want to keep it.

New string last year. Re-measured this year. Yes, steel cables.

To be clear, I have wood composite limbs. If the limb bolts are not cranked out, and the poundage reduced in the off season, the wood fibers "crush" over time, and the limbs weaken. Loses about 1lb. a year...and unlike glass limbs, which are "set, and forget"...and because I'm a knucklehead, I let it happen to my Cougar.

My max poundage setting when new was 80#'s. That was nearly 20 years ago. My max poundage today, where I have it set at currently, with the limb bolts cranked all the way in, then backed off 1/4 turn, is 59#'s. I don't mind shooting at this poundage, I'm just afraid I will draw back one time to many, and grenade one of the weakened limbs. Ouch!

I have looked at Barnsdale's; beautiful, quality work! Even at the price he charges, I could repair my bow for half what a new bow costs. On the one hand, that's HALF what a NEW bow costs! On the other hand...that's three hands, so far....I could give my old girl new life, and she would be unique, custom, and equiped with the best limbs on the market.

or...

I could buy a bow off theBay, and canabalize the glass limbs...but I don't have the heart to do that to another, old Martin.

or...

I could do away with the cables and pullies, and make a takedown recurve out of it. Maybe.Other opinions? Ideas? Suggestions? Anybody built a Frankenbow before, from odds and ends?

Thanks,

Sledge

Could Dave Barnsdale match the looks of you old Cougar limbs? Rather like the idea of building a Frankencurve. :) And I'm sure Dave could make the limbs to do so. I've seen lots of other Frankenbows, but most where cam changes, not compuund to recurve. But then, for half the dough for a new bow, the old girl would be sportin new limbs and shooting harder than ever, probablly with less poundage, which even an aging jarhead's shoulder would apprecite. :D I know I wish that I'd taken better care of my shoulder when I was 40!

Magnus777
10-04-2011, 06:19 PM
Well, I've been in contact with Marin Customer Service. Of course there are no replacement limbs available, which is understandable after this long. I inquired about the specifics of the "Lifetime Warranty", since I do in fact still have the sales receipt, asking if the 50% prorated repair/replace would entitle me to a new bow at half price. Paraphrasing, I was informed the warranty was not for MY lifetime, but the product lifetime, which means until they stop making that model, and all the parts run out. These days, since they update models about every other season at least, and I'm certain they don't do a huge run to stockpile parts, that means the "lifetime warranty"....in my mind, one of the top selling points of their product....is only good for maybe 4-5 years. I'm not too awfully upset....I'm the one that didn't lower the poundage every year to give the limbs a rest, and they're just past their usefulness. I wouldn't call up Weatherby after 20 years and ask them to replace the shot out barrel on my hunting rifle, and I can't expect Martin to keep an indefinite supply of parts sockpiled to fix old bows....even though the copy of the warranty I got when I bought my bow doesn't include the fine print that let's me know their "lifetime warranty" is really just an inside joke.

Been keeping an eye open for a replacement. Don't care much at all for the new bows...those built within the last 5 years or so. Not that they don't perform....but because they all look the same.
I'm not sure which company it was that came out with the paralel limbs first, but after that there hasn't really been any individuality, or personality in the industry...it's been all about the technology, and keeping up with the competition. And that's all well and good; there will always be lots of people out there who are on the hunt for the latest and greatest. That's what keeps Martin and all the other manufacturers in buisness, and why they sell a ton of bows.
Of course, I always thought of Martin as more than just a manufacturer, more than just a company that makes and sells archery equipment. When I think of Martin, I think of a company that creates highly crafted and aesthetically attractive tools for archers, and as peace's post touched on, a company that creates a bond with their customer, not only out of concern for the customer's satisfaction during and after the sale, but also because of genuine interest in customer feedback that helps to improve the next generation of tools. Not sure I'm feeling that these days as strongly as I once did.
I do like the looks of the Cougar 3, and likely I'll try to pick one up after the season. I think that's the last bow Martin made that caught my interest. Shame they dropped the Cougar model from their lineup. I always liked the way their bows were named after cats...it created a brand identity...put the idea in your mind that their bows weren't inanimate objects like the competition, but living things with personality, wild and free. Now it seems they're getting away from that, too, with names like "SlayR", and "Tracer", "Crossfire", and "Exile". More keeping up with the competition. Next year they may have a couple bows named "Gut-Squisher", and "Donkey-Punch", with blinking red, white, and blue LED's, a cup holder, and a kick-stand.
I guess I will get Barnsdale's to make me up a nice set of limbs. And if I don't find a Cougar 3 by this coming summer, I think I'm going to make a move to traditional archery. Just love the looks of a recurve, always have. That's why I ordered the old girl with the recurved wood limbs, it was a connection to the past. I'm a romantic, I suppose.
I'm fortunate, for now, to have a spare bow that had been just sitting around. Picked up a Martin Orion Magnum bow kit for a song a few years ago, brand new, hard-case and all...everything still in plastic, tags still on, peep and dampers still loose on the string. Bought it from a guy I knew that sold store returns, blems, and damaged merch. Seems the hard-case took a hit during shipping, probably some jackass hot-rodding a forklift in a warehouse somewhere. Cracked the case, but it did it's job, and protected everything inside. Going to be doing a tech article about "fixing" the Dyna-cam. Keep an eye out for it, and let me know if it's helpful.
Promised a few pictures of the painted lady. As it seems she's being retired, it's the least I can do to show my appreciation for so many years of great service. Thought these were going to turn out much better, my camera usually takes great pics, but these look like they were taken while I was having an epileptic fit. I could try again if anybody is really interested, but here are these:

Magnus777
10-04-2011, 06:44 PM
Funny how when enthusiasts talk about anything they've owned for awhile, whether it be old bows, old cars, or old guns, we talk about them as if they were people, and often by name. Is that called personification...I forget? But when newbs, or pros, or "experts" talk about anything, it's refered to by make, model, and/or size...with no more passion than talking about a wrench, or a hammer. Just an observation.

Magnus777
10-05-2011, 07:36 PM
I would like to say thanks to all of your for your encouragement, enthusiasm, and wisdom. I feel glad to have joined this board, for however long my stay may last. Seems help is coming from all corners, and I may not have to retire my best girl after all.
On a related not, I found this on another board (hope I'm allowed to link to stuff from other boards): http://www.piratesofarchery.net/bb/viewtopic.php?p=62390 This lets me know I'm not the only soul to have walked this particular path. As I go along, the more I pick up from those who have gone before me, and the more I learn. This little project, those who have offered assistance, and the new ideas birthed from the process, have revived within me a passion for this sport which I so dearly love. Once again, thank you.

Sledge

elkslayer4x5
10-07-2011, 05:27 AM
Now that you've met us, stick around, this is a great bunch of archers. And yeah, looks like you took those pics using the zoom, ( really shows the 'shakes' ) if its not too much trouble, we'd like to see the ole gal, at least I would. :)

peace
10-07-2011, 06:29 AM
Magnus777,
I suspected I wasn't the only one that was really into the idea of the spirit of the cats giving personality to the bows. That is something that so draws me to the Martin lineup.

Martin has some good bows out there to pickup in the used market except not many people selling them. I am constantly browsing. I found my Cougar 3 Magnum as a New Old Stock...never been set up. It is a pleasure to own.

I followed your link to Pirates of Archery, good forum. Hope things work out with your conversion.

bfisher
10-07-2011, 07:09 AM
I would like to say thanks to all of your for your encouragement, enthusiasm, and wisdom. I feel glad to have joined this board, for however long my stay may last. Seems help is coming from all corners, and I may not have to retire my best girl after all.
On a related not, I found this on another board (hope I'm allowed to link to stuff from other boards): http://www.piratesofarchery.net/bb/viewtopic.php?p=62390 This lets me know I'm not the only soul to have walked this particular path. As I go along, the more I pick up from those who have gone before me, and the more I learn. This little project, those who have offered assistance, and the new ideas birthed from the process, have revived within me a passion for this sport which I so dearly love. Once again, thank you.

Sledge

This has got to be one of the most gracious posts I've seen in a long time. It has been quite a pleasure to share a forum with an archery enthusiast such as yourself.

Magnus777
10-07-2011, 09:03 PM
Now that you've met us, stick around, this is a great bunch of archers. And yeah, looks like you took those pics using the zoom, ( really shows the 'shakes' ) if its not too much trouble, we'd like to see the ole gal, at least I would. :)

Thanks so much! I feel welcome.

As it turns out, I think my thumb must have pushed the settings switch from "auto" to "night", and the camera couldn't focus because it was twilight. However, I gave it a second try, and they all came out spledidly this time!



Magnus777,
I suspected I wasn't the only one that was really into the idea of the spirit of the cats giving personality to the bows. That is something that so draws me to the Martin lineup.

Martin has some good bows out there to pickup in the used market except not many people selling them. I am constantly browsing. I found my Cougar 3 Magnum as a New Old Stock...never been set up. It is a pleasure to own.

I followed your link to Pirates of Archery, good forum. Hope things work out with your conversion.


Yep. "Crossfire"; "Silencer"; "Ridge Hunter"; "Exile"...just doesn't do it for me the same way. Makes me think of war, assasination, moon-shiners, and escaped convicts. Lol! Also brings to mind the type of targeted marketing buzzwords from some of the other manufacturers...like what's the one, "RAK: Ready, Aim, Kill", or some such. I'll tell you, when I'm waxing up my bowstring, I'm not thinking about being in a firefight. When I come to full draw, I'm not thinking about flying a fighter jet, driving a sports car, or blasting off to the stars. And when I release...I'm not thinking about the exhilaration of a kill. In fact, when I do these things, I tend to think LESS...losing the sense of self...breaking free of the ego.
It is in these small moments when there are no bills to be paid...no appointments to be kept...no peanut-butter samich. There is no "me". There is just....IS.
When I draw my bow, filling it with my power, I connect with the spirit of the Cougar, the hunter. I become the rock...the tree...the arrow. And when the target of my aim is within my sight, whether it be a deer, a stump, or a haybale, I ask permission for the life I am about to take. I do so out of reverence for life, so I never forget to respect it's precious balance.
Personally, I think this is the kind of "feeling" a bowyer should want his customer to attach to his wares. These bows and arrows of ours are really just tools, after all, like any other. They can be used towards a positive purpose. But they are also tools connected to a long and bloody history. When you name a bow...oh, I don't know... "Destroyer", for instance, or maybe....um.... "Carnage", just to pull a name out of a hat, you are re-establishing in your customer's mind the association with your product as a serious instrument of death and destruction. Don't people already get enough of that in video games, and on the news? Does an archery manufacturer really want to establish that kind of connection just to make a few, quick sales. I don't know...but you can name mine after a cat, thanks!



This has got to be one of the most gracious posts I've seen in a long time. It has been quite a pleasure to share a forum with an archery enthusiast such as yourself.

Well thank you so much! Likewise! I say what I mean, and mean exactly what I say. Now if I could only bring myself to proof read, and spell check. Ha!


Sledge

Magnus777
10-07-2011, 09:33 PM
By popular demand, here are some pics I took today. Let's see who has the sharp eyes.46344633463746364635

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10-07-2011, 09:55 PM
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10-07-2011, 10:00 PM
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elkslayer4x5
10-08-2011, 06:13 AM
Could Dave Barnsdale match the looks of you old Cougar limbs? Rather like the idea of building a Frankencurve. :) And I'm sure Dave could make the limbs to do so. I've seen lots of other Frankenbows, but most where cam changes, not compound to recurve. But then, for half the dough for a new bow, the old girl would be sportin new limbs and shooting harder than ever, probablly with less poundage, which even an aging jarhead's shoulder would apprecite. :D I know I wish that I'd taken better care of my shoulder when I was 40!

This is called a Warf, not sure what a Star Trek character has to do with converting a compound to a recurve, apperntly the guy who started doing this had big boxer ( dog, not a prizefighter) named Warf and thats what Bob called his conversions.

http://www.tradtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30031

As I said earlier I liked the idea of a Frankencurve, and when I followed Magnus777's link to the Pirates of Archery thread and saw a Lynx warf, I took another look at the old Lynx Magnum my neighbor had given me, after a rat had chewed a hole into his plastic case and did what rats do, which left a lot of corrosion behind, especially on the cams? or wheels....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/deast-lr/Gear/Lynxcamsandrigging.jpg

So I tore it down and striped the riser of the old black and brown camo paint job, and am now looking for a set of ILF limbs. Gonna give thise a try, so Thanks Sledge for directing me to another way to enjoy this wonderfull sport we call archery.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/deast-lr/Gear/lynxriserrs.jpg

scepterman30x
10-08-2011, 08:21 AM
I have some 5M 17" Elite limbs for sale for $80 tyd. I don't know what the poundage will be at that deflection or if they will fit the limb pockets on your riser but someone should know.

Magnus777
10-08-2011, 12:48 PM
...after a rat had chewed a hole into his plastic case and did what rats do, which left a lot of corrosion behind, especially on the cams? or wheels....

@$#!&% RATS! They must have known there was a sleeping cat iniside...poor kitty!

That riser is magnesium, right? Looks kind of good with that satin finish. Are you going to keep it like that, maybe polish it a bit more, or recoat? Would make a dandy target bow, I'm sure!

If you plan to recoat, I'll tell you something else I'm considering, and that's using Duracoat, the firearms refinish coating. If you're not familiar with it, it's a plastisized, paint-on, air-cure refinish that's tough as nails, wears like iron, and won't chip. I've redone an old Knight Muzzleloader in satin black, and an NEF single-shot 30/06 in a gun blue with nothing more than a cheap airbrush. Then, just for grins, I refinished the head of a 3lb sledge hammer, and went to town on an anvil...bricks...rocks! Nicked it up, scratched it, and generally tore it up pretty good, but it held up amazingly well! On an a bow, or rifle, even a truck gun that gets banged around pretty good, I imagine it would last a lifetime.

At any rate, for you pups that may be following this thread...those "round things", the ones attached to the cables in elkslayers pics, and the ones on the end of the limbs in mine...those are called "wheels". Martin "Flite Wheels" to be specific. Archaic, I know... Hehehe! Hey, with the finish worn off those rat chewed wheels, now I know they are metal, and not plastic. Interesting. I wonder if they're aluminum, of magnesium?

BTW, if you haven't done so already, and you have the time, browse through POA some more...I found quite a few more projects like that one. All very nice...gave me lots of ideas!

Magnus777
10-08-2011, 12:50 PM
I have some 5M 17" Elite limbs for sale for $80 tyd. I don't know what the poundage will be at that deflection or if they will fit the limb pockets on your riser but someone should know.

I'm still not sure how the deflection numbers correlate to draw weight, although I've been trying to find out. Do know mine are a #10.

elkslayer4x5
10-08-2011, 01:46 PM
Sledge, the riser is cast aluminum, the dark spots are pits where the corrosion ate into the aluminum, as you can see, did quite a job on the flight wheels which may be magnesium, although they're corroded as all get out, they still seem strong, at least all that chips off of them is the paint, unlike the riser where the corrosion ate into the side if one the detents for the ball bearing the limbs pivoted on.
At this point, I'm un sure if I'm going to get the riser dipped in a nice wood grain to go with something like these TradTech Glass/Wood Recurve limbs,

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/tradtech-glass-wood-recurve-limbs-by-samick.html

or just break out a rattle can and paint it, So happens that I have a half can left over from repainting my gun safe, Rust-Oleum 'Ultra Cover' in Satin Espresso which would look good with these Tradtech Black Max Glass/Wood Recurve limbs.

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/tradtech-black-max-glass-wood-recurve-limbs.html

I'd have to go with the medium linbs because of my long draw, 31" with a recurve, but both limbs come in mediums. ( Yeah, I'm ape armed, know any other guy 5'10"who can reach an 8' ceiling?) giving me a 63" bow, a length that I'm comfortable with. Should be smooth on the draw and quick. about 195 fps

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=556758&page=1

Septerman30x, I'll get back to you on the 5M elites, am needing a set for my Cougar lll Elite. I'm calling dibs, guys

Magnus777
10-08-2011, 04:37 PM
[QUOTE=elkslayer4x5;71927]...or just break out a rattle can and paint it, So happens that I have a half can left over from repainting my gun safe, Rust-Oleum 'Ultra Cover' in Satin Espresso which would look good with these Tradtech Black Max Glass/Wood Recurve limbs.[QUOTE]

NOOOOOOO! Spray paint is the DEVIL! Lol!

elkslayer4x5
10-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Told my son last night that it would look good media blasted, but too good, How about a nice powder coat? Want to have a friend air brush a local type of blackberry vine wraped around it. Dellcious berries, vicious thorns on long tough canes. Nice looking...from a distance! The stuff is every where here in the south end of the Willamette Valley, which, I'm told supplies 90% of the blackberries sold in the US. All of those berries account for big butted bears like this. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/deast-lr/Bears/bear66.jpg

Magnus777
10-10-2011, 07:37 PM
Told my son last night that it would look good media blasted, but too good, How about a nice powder coat? Want to have a friend air brush a local type of blackberry vine wraped around it. Dellcious berries, vicious thorns on long tough canes. Nice looking...from a distance! The stuff is every where here in the south end of the Willamette Valley, which, I'm told supplies 90% of the blackberries sold in the US. All of those berries account for big butted bears like this. :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/deast-lr/Bears/bear66.jpg

Powdercoating can produce a beautiful, very durable finish. A powdercoat base coat with airbrush work like that most definitely require some showing off! Before you mentioned it, I had been playing w/ the idea of having a new bow airbrushed with tattoo art, like a full sleeve. The center-piece would off course have to be...a Cougar! Black panther, either one.

I just noticed your signature, elkslayer...Jeremiah Johnson! Classic, and one of my favorite movies!

The butt on that bear reminds me of a girl I used to date. Ok...ok...it reminds me of several girls I used to date..:rolleyes:

elkslayer4x5
10-11-2011, 04:44 AM
I looked at a lot of powders yesterday, seem that brown is'nt all that popular a color for powder coating, Eastwood does'nt have it.

http://www.eastwood.com/ Hey Spiker, know of any powdercoating in a brown? :)

So its either match the Black MAx limbs fromTradTech or the Dark Earth from Duracoat.

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/612422/lauer-duracoat-firearm-finish-magpul-flat-dark-earth-4-oz

Yeah, always really liked that movie.
Can ya skin griz, pilgram?
Yea, I can skin griz........

Barry O'Regan
10-21-2011, 07:30 PM
Hello. I have and old M-41 Cougar Speed-Flite that I just dearly love. I had a pro-shop special order it back in 1993, with the wooden recurve limbs, and Speed-Flight wheels specifically to shoot with fingers. I have never cast an arrow from a compound bow that was better looking, more silky-smooth to draw, with absolutely zero shock after release...and just an all around pleasure to shoot! Suffice to say, I am very fond of it, even though she's a hefty beast by today's standards, and I see little reason to replace it. However, there is a problem...over the years I've been quite lax about turning down the poundage in the off season, and as a result those wonderful wood limbs have steadily lost poundage. I ordered it with a 65-80lb. draw weight; now, nearly 20 years later, the peak, measured draw weight is 59lbs.
I know it's a long shot, but might their possibly be some NOS limbs for this bow gathering dust in a dark corner somewhere? I posed this question to Martin, but while I'm waiting on a reply I thought I would ask around in the Tech Forum. Of course I would love to have a duplicate set like the ones that came on it, but to keep from having to retire it I would go for fiberglass, in whatever color is out there. As I understand it from reading the forums, limbs from some other models may indeed fit on my riser, and I would be open to this, also. Is there perhaps a company, or enterprising individual out there making custom, one-off limb sets? Or do I just have to accept the fact that the old girl has reached the end of her life? Please say it isn't so!
As an aside, is it safe to shoot with the original limbs, seeing as how they are more than 5lbs. under spec? Thanks in advance for your consideration. Any suggestions will be gladly accepted.

I just competed in a 3d shoot last week October 16, 2011 with my 1982 Martin Cougar Magnum, getting 1st place in Bowhunter division.

Last month I came in 2nd place at a 3d shoot with my 30 year old bow again, so in answer to your question, yeah let your Martin age gracefully and take away some 1st place ribbons away from guys with high tech bows. I was taking 60 yard shots into the 8 ring with mine, and that was with no sights and fingers, no release.

My 1982 Martin Cougar Magnum is my pride and joy, it is a blazingly fast 189 fps with a 450 grain arrow.
I still think 3d shoots should have a Old School Division, using pre 1990 bows with Dacron strings and teardrop metal cables.