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Coyotehunter11
10-27-2011, 11:47 AM
I currently have a martin cheetah set at 50 pounds with about a 26 inch draw. Can i use a redhead gator expandable with this bow and have good results on deer? My farthest shot will be around 30 yards but more than likely it will be about 10 yards. Thanks.

Coyotehunter11
10-27-2011, 11:51 AM
O i also have muzzy's that i made into a two blade by taking one blade out, would i be better off using these?

Jake-the-snake
10-27-2011, 11:55 AM
I would stay away from mechanicals, even if you were drawing 70 lbs or more...go with your muzzys

gravedigger
10-27-2011, 12:03 PM
O i also have muzzy's that i made into a two blade by taking one blade out, would i be better off using these?

so why make the muzzy into a 2 blade?i would think since it was ment to be a 3 blade your flight path might be all sorts of wacky,now thats just a guess.how do they fly with your modifaction

bfisher
10-27-2011, 12:40 PM
I shoot similar specs, although a 27" draw and have been bowhunting for many many years. From a personal standpoint I would not consider any mechanical head with anything less than 60#. Not that they won't kill an animal, but that so much energy is used to punch through the hide and open the blades that penetration is impeded quite a bit. The broadhead would probably get to the vitals, but probably no exit hole in a lot of cases which means a harder tracking job. The result might mean more animals lost due to less blood trail. Just not worth taking the chance.

There are too many good fixed blade heads that would do a better job and give you complete pass through in most cases or at least an exit wound. I would opt for a fairly narrow (< 1 1/4") three blade head such as Muzzy or InnerLoc. Even these or any other good head isn't going to guarantee anything. There are just too many variables involved in hunting situations, but they would sure up your odds. You owe that much to the game you hunt.

Coyotehunter11
10-27-2011, 12:41 PM
so why make the muzzy into a 2 blade?i would think since it was ment to be a 3 blade your flight path might be all sorts of wacky,now thats just a guess.how do they fly with your modifaction

Actually it was a 4 blade muzzy mx-4 but i couldnt get it to fly right no matter what i did to my bow. So i took one of the blades out and found that it flew perfectly. I guess il stick with them because i dont have to worry about them not opening and i know they are rock solid.

Coyotehunter11
10-27-2011, 02:52 PM
I shoot similar specs, although a 27" draw and have been bowhunting for many many years. From a personal standpoint I would not consider any mechanical head with anything less than 60#. Not that they won't kill an animal, but that so much energy is used to punch through the hide and open the blades that penetration is impeded quite a bit. The broadhead would probably get to the vitals, but probably no exit hole in a lot of cases which means a harder tracking job. The result might mean more animals lost due to less blood trail. Just not worth taking the chance.

There are too many good fixed blade heads that would do a better job and give you complete pass through in most cases or at least an exit wound. I would opt for a fairly narrow (< 1 1/4") three blade head such as Muzzy or InnerLoc. Even these or any other good head isn't going to guarantee anything. There are just too many variables involved in hunting situations, but they would sure up your odds. You owe that much to the game you hunt.

Thanks for your response bfisher, as well as everybody else that helped out. I will just stick with my muzzy this year, or i might just pick up some magnus stinger or stinger buzzcut. They are supposed to be a very sturdy head and really sharp. Has anybody had any personal experience with the magnus stinger?

justin
10-27-2011, 04:12 PM
I got nothing first hand on magnus, though ive hear mixed results. I couldnt think they would be bad. I do think that maybe a muzzy 3 blade would be better thn your homemade 2 bladers. And a little more tuning may straighten out your flight. Check out broadhead tuning and see wat you can do with it. Also it is generally assumed that 3 blade heads penitrate better than 4.

gravedigger
10-27-2011, 05:03 PM
Actually it was a 4 blade muzzy mx-4 but i couldnt get it to fly right no matter what i did to my bow. So i took one of the blades out and found that it flew perfectly. I guess il stick with them because i dont have to worry about them not opening and i know they are rock solid.

nice.i wanted to try some 4 blade bh but if i didnt like how they flew i really wasent wanting to be stuck with them.but since they seam to work with on blade out i might have to give them a go........thanks for the info

HawgEnvy
10-27-2011, 05:07 PM
step away from the expandables. especially at your poundage. if you want a 2 blade,try a magnus or Steel force. the Steelforce flew better for me than the Magnus. but honestly,it sounds as though you need some minor tuning adjustments. i know,personally,and have heard from others that haven't been able to get the MX-4's to tune very easily. Slick Tricks fly very well out of my set up with same P.O.I as FP. i'd recommend them. but its all opinion based. unless your bow is properly tuned,you'll likely have flight issues with most broadheads.an improperly tuned bow and a large fixed blade that tends to wind plane will really give you problems. good luck

Coyotehunter11
10-27-2011, 06:03 PM
nice.i wanted to try some 4 blade bh but if i didnt like how they flew i really wasent wanting to be stuck with them.but since they seam to work with on blade out i might have to give them a go........thanks for the info

No problem, im sure you will find that they fly great, plus i get great penetration out of a two blade.

peace
10-27-2011, 06:06 PM
Man, deer have been killed by many two bladed arrow heads, yours are made of razor sharp metal, some are made of flint or stone. Do your thing, and if that head isn't good enough do like the first Americans and club them to death, any way you get meat is fair. [legally]

Coyotehunter11
10-28-2011, 03:08 AM
Man, deer have been killed by many two bladed arrow heads, yours are made of razor sharp metal, some are made of flint or stone. Do your thing, and if that head isn't good enough do like the first Americans and club them to death, any way you get meat is fair. [legally]
I think i will stick with my broadhead. I probably wouldnt have any success trying to club a deer with a stick. lol.

Jake-the-snake
10-29-2011, 06:10 AM
I would also actuaally suggest the Magnus heads. I shoot them first hand, and I dont ever plan on switching from them...I also only shoot 85 grain heads, I got a passthrough on a deer at 41 yards this year, quartering to. These heads are scary sharp. and fly with your field points. I personally would go with the buzzcuts in 4 blade as well...Not only that...if one breaks, send it back to them, and they will send you a brand new head, they have a lifetime guaruntee!!!

The one other deer i got with them this year, was a doe at 12 yards, ever soo slightly quartering too...punched one shoulder, and stuck 6 inches in the ground behind her...Both my deer so far have gone less than 40 yards...

bfisher
10-29-2011, 06:19 AM
I would also actuaally suggest the Magnus heads. I shoot them first hand, and I dont ever plan on switching from them...I also only shoot 85 grain heads, I got a passthrough on a deer at 41 yards this year, quartering to. These heads are scary sharp. and fly with your field points. I personally would go with the buzzcuts in 4 blade as well...Not only that...if one breaks, send it back to them, and they will send you a brand new head, they have a lifetime guaruntee!!!

The one other deer i got with them this year, was a doe at 12 yards, ever soo slightly quartering too...punched one shoulder, and stuck 6 inches in the ground behind her...Both my deer so far have gone less than 40 yards...

Good shootin, Jake. That's the way it's supposed to work out.