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parttimr
12-07-2011, 02:16 PM
Was wondering how many folks use a nock under their top knot of the loop to prevent the nock point from moving and pinching. Had an individual say that they always do to prevent nock pinch but on my old PSE I never did just had a loop installed and never had a problem that I knew of anyways.

HawgEnvy
12-07-2011, 02:38 PM
loop only,no nocks,no problems. all is good. the Diamond i had,had the brass nocks between the loops and has some pinch. i pulled the brass off,and tied a new loop. worked great.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-07-2011, 03:01 PM
We have used tie nocks or so called soft nocks. One on the bottom of the arrow nock, and another on the top. This does 2 things, 1st it keeps your arrow nock place when you have to replace your d loop. 2nd keeps your arrow nock from being pinched. A lot of pros use this method and it had proven itself.

http://bowsite.com/bowsite/features/practical_bowhunter/tieone/index.html
http://www.backcountrybowhunting.com/articles/nock.php



Hutch:cool:

parttimr
12-07-2011, 03:02 PM
Thanks that's how I thought I would do my new one and leave the nock out.

bowgramp59
12-07-2011, 04:52 PM
We have used tie nocks or so called soft nocks. One on the bottom of the arrow nock, and another on the top. This does 2 things, 1st it keeps your arrow nock place when you have to replace your d loop. 2nd keeps your arrow nock from being pinched. A lot of pros use this method and it had proven itself.

http://bowsite.com/bowsite/features/practical_bowhunter/tieone/index.html
http://www.backcountrybowhunting.com/articles/nock.php



Hutch:cool:

it only pinches at full draw, not when the string is at brace ht. i set mine to where it doesn't try to raise the arrow off the rest. i have lots of time on my hands , don't mind locating d-loop position with bow square. but i have also done it the way you do.

gravedigger
12-07-2011, 04:58 PM
the place that put my string on put a brass knock on against my request.i dont like it.when i get my new set from hutch,well then bye bye brass.and heck i might just send him my bow to play with.

ElkSlayer
12-08-2011, 05:20 AM
the place that put my string on put a brass knock on against my request.i dont like it.when i get my new set from hutch,well then bye bye brass.and heck i might just send him my bow to play with.

heck bring it down I'll paly with it... had it been me would have yanked that brass off the string long ago...or made the shop remove it.. Just a D loop thats all. we use here. that and a soft nock on my recurve.... tied it on with serving... hate them brass ones

bfisher
12-08-2011, 06:43 AM
I agree with Hutch about brass nocksets, whether used with a loop or not. They might be fine in the beginning when setting up and tuning a bow as they are easier to move, but once the proper nock (loop) height is found it should be removed and a tied on nock replacing it.

Like a lot of older guys I came up using brass nocks. One above and one below the nock. Sometimes two above to keep the first one from sliding. Later I learned to use just one above and tie dental floss above it to keep it from sliding. Then one day I got a chronograph and eventually got to playing around. I forget the bow, but chrono'd it and came up with "X" speed. Removed the brass and tied one in the same location. Chrono'd again and came up with a 4 fps speed gain. That did it for me.

I also learned that brass nocksets are hard on nocks. Using a rope release with the rope under the nock I saw that the arrow nock was forced against the nockset at full draw. With the resulting string angle the brass wears a notch into the top of the arrow nock. I routinely changed nocks every once in a while because of this. Since going to a tied-on nock I no longer have to do this, which saves some money. Please realize that back when I shot competition all we had were the glue-on nocks and they cost a whopping $7.00/100. Not so with these $6/12 we have today.

OK, enough with the history lesson.

elkslayer4x5
12-08-2011, 06:51 AM
Just a loop, has'nt moved a bit since I tied it on three years ago, and no clue as to how many shots. But then I tied it real tight. :)

darkember
12-08-2011, 10:26 AM
I have seen 2 small portions of thin serving used to keep the loop apart.

Simple Life
12-08-2011, 12:23 PM
Tied in nocks sets for me.;)

Ehunter
12-08-2011, 01:56 PM
Just a D-loop on all my bows. Other than getting some crappy Paradox cord once instead of BCY 24, I haven't had a single problem. Nothing moves, nothing changes. I do wax the heck out of the cords before I tie them on though, that seems to help it snug down very tight.

gravedigger
12-08-2011, 02:59 PM
heck bring it down I'll paly with it... had it been me would have yanked that brass off the string long ago...or made the shop remove it.. Just a D loop thats all. we use here. that and a soft nock on my recurve.... tied it on with serving... hate them brass ones

ther eis the slacker in my again.i could have riped that thing off 20 times over buttttttttttttttt im getin hutch strings so i can wait.now to learn how to tie a loop.im thinking its the same as how i tie me tent ropes at the cemetery

ElkSlayer
12-08-2011, 03:54 PM
D loops are easy once you know how..but since your getting a string from Bill and he just orderd the chrony..may as well have him do it up right and supershooterize it.. If the Ole boy is up to it...may be too busy testing his an Brads gear....:cool:

parttimr
12-08-2011, 03:57 PM
Have about 35 shots thru the new strings and no rotation of the Hutch strings. I did put 20 thru it at about 10 yds to settle the strings before I put the peep in per Kenny's bow tuning tips site. So far so good.

ElkSlayer
12-08-2011, 04:06 PM
you should be good to go now looked like Bill got it wraped up tight :cool::cool:... I got a new string last season , was told the same thing, shoot peep less for a bit then install.. no movement at all.

bfisher
12-09-2011, 05:46 AM
you should be good to go now looked like Bill got it wraped up tight :cool::cool:... I got a new string last season , was told the same thing, shoot peep less for a bit then install.. no movement at all.

Although I do read about going peepless for a hundred shots or so, and see the reason for it, I like to install a peep right away just to see if there is any rotation as the bow is drawn. I know it will probably change orientation as the string settles, but that is easy enough to fix later. No more work than installing the peep in the first place. Besides it gives me something else to play around with.

I've had custom strings from a few guys and so far, knock on wood, haven't had to add more than 1/2 twist to the string after it settled. I do get a bit of rotation in my Hammerhead strings, may 15 degrees, but I just orientate it to allow for this. The setting on my Alien Z hasn't changed hardly at all in two years---maybe 8000 shots.

ElkSlayer
12-09-2011, 05:55 AM
Yea Barry I thought about just instaling it to see Just how much it may or maynot move..then playe dwithhthe idea of going totaly peep less...just couldn't do it....lol had to instal it..

elkslayer4x5
12-09-2011, 06:53 AM
ther eis the slacker in my again.i could have riped that thing off 20 times over buttttttttttttttt im getin hutch strings so i can wait.now to learn how to tie a loop.im thinking its the same as how i tie me tent ropes at the cemetery

Know how to tie a clove hitch? Thats what the D loop knot is, two opposing clove hitchs.

gravedigger
12-09-2011, 07:25 AM
Know how to tie a clove hitch? Thats what the D loop knot is, two opposing clove hitchs.

i think so.if im right its like tieing a knot with out the knot.its the same way to rig pipe with out tieing a knot.ther a tons of vids out that i will watch