View Full Version : Problems with my Nemisis
Short time ago I did a stupid thing.... I dry fired my bow. Took it to the pro shop and had the string put back on (came off the top cam) and inspected. Looked okay, a couple test shots and it seems to shoot just fine. During league night the more I shot the farther left it went. I'm talking waaaaay left. By the end of the night I was almost 5" left of the X at 20 yds. This is after a windage adjustment of around 3/8" inch. Also the draw module won't stay tight. Took it back in and it was disassembled, shafts inspected, cams inspected, etc. Everything looked okay. Shoots smooth, no vibration. Arrow flight seemed off, hard to tell without a paper tune. Also it was mentioned that the riser looked 'twisted'. He showed me, and it does to me to sorta. Hard to tell if its warped or just a optical illusion. Rest never moved, sight never moved, nock point and peep still good. Either way have no idea whats up. It was suggested to send it back to Martin for a more in depth inspection.
My question is can a riser actually twist? I know now a days there is a lot of metal machined out of the risers, but it seems pretty stout. Kind of lost here, hoping that I didn't totally destroy it. I really love this bow. Currently shooting my Scepter 3, so I'm not without a bow, just without my favorite bow. Any help or ideas is much appreciated.
Here are the bow stats (no pics as its currently "in the mail"....)
2010 Rytera Nemesis---one of the first
hybrix 1.5 cams
stone mountain string (if I remember, still original)
02-08-2012, 11:45 AM
Any machined aluminum riser from any company can be bent, but it would normally take more than a dryfire to do it. I would lean more towards the problem being with the cams, limbs or roto-cups being damaged or out of spec than the riser, especially on a bridged riser like the Nemesis. If it were the riser..........i would think the change in impact would have been there after the bow was put back together and not gotten worse as you shot. Did the shop check the axles?, and the alignment pins for the roto cups?.........could be one of the alignment pins broke and is allowing the cup(s) to shift as the bow is drawn/shot.........that would affect your left to right point of impact.
I'm leaning towards the whole riser thing as a optical illusion. They pulled the axles out and inspected, and also put a straight edge on the cams to check for any warpage. Also checked them for cracks, etc. The limbs looked okay, but we didn't take them off the bow for inspection. Also didn't inspect the Roto cups. This would make some sense, as I remember now by the end of the night when I would draw the bow it would visually twist the riser/grip in my hand. I guess I'm really hoping the riser and limbs are fine. If the riser is bad then it would be more feasible to replace the bow. From what I've read the limbs are Barnsdale and they are not made anymore? I wouldn't think twice to replace everything else on the bow.
I've had a Martin bow of one kind or another hanging on my wall since '84, with many thousands of arrows shot, and this was my first dry fire. I can't believe I did that. Makes me want to crawl in the corner and hide.
02-09-2012, 04:11 AM
Another possiblity could be if one of the screws that secures the riser together let loose.........it would be a long shot, but that would cause the riser to shift at the connection points causing it to twist in your hand as the bow is drawn. That as well as the alignment pin could be repaired fairly easy.
If one of the bolts secureing the riser sections together did let go.....there would likley be a noticable gap in the riser sections.
Barnsdale is still producing limbs, Martin however is no longer using them as standard equipment on the Ryteras since they came out with the PowerTuff limbs. You can still purchase the Barnsdales direct through Barnsdale or opt for the PowerTuff limbs which would be a bit less costly and hold up just fine.
Did check the joints where the riser comes together. the film dip/paint is not cracked or split. By looking at it you still can't tell its not a one piece riser. As for the Barnsdale limbs, not sure if that's such a big deal anyway. Never had problems with Martin limbs so I'm sure they would work just as fine.
Appreciate the insight and help. If anything I have a lot better understanding as to how its built and why. Hopfully I should hear something back in the next week or so.
02-09-2012, 04:39 PM
cams could be bent, to check on this , romove the mod. find a flat surface with a hole in it so the bearing can go in the hole . if the cam rocks it's bent if it sets flat without rocking it should be ok. a dry fire usually worps
the cams . if they arn't strait the string or cable could come off again.
02-10-2012, 03:02 AM
I guess you're having the bow looked at and this has already been said, but if there is no kind of separation showing at the riser joints then I seriously doubt the riser is bent. There is an alignment pin in the riser under the Roto Cup. Maybe this dislodged during the dry fire and the Roto is sitting on top of it instead of in it's groove. I'd think this would be pretty obvious though.
There are two little pads between the limb and the Roto Cup. Maybe one of these got dislodged. This would allow the limb to sit crooked in the rocker and give the illusion of a bent riser as the limb would appear to be on an angle in relation to the riser.
Whatever, I hope you get it straightened out. I have one and the Nemisis is quite a nice bow.
We didn't take the cam off, but used a small straight edge on it and they appear fine. But taking them off and laying on a flat surface would be the best way. Right now it should be at the factory, just waiting on any info. I too really like the Nemesis, and in a worse case scenario and I have to replace it, I seriously think I would buy another Nemesis.
And again I really appreciate the very helpful, sincere responses to my dilemma. To many times (on other forums) threads like this are met more with 'flame' than solutions. So thank you to all. And hopefully in the future I can help someone else with a tough problem.
02-12-2012, 08:56 AM
In alot of the "other" forums (cough) you do get alot of smack talk from fanboys of all manufacturers, saying that "it wouldn't have happened if you'd bought brand X". The nice thing about a dedicated forum like this, is that we all own or have owned or plan to own a Martin, and would rather see the brand grow. So we tend to try to problem solve and help each other as much as we can w/o having our hands physically on the issue. Welcome to the forum, hope you enjoy the comradery and tell everyone what a great group we have ;).
02-12-2012, 09:36 AM
Can you get hold off a draw board to see if the cams are leaning or draw it back and see if there is ??? just something to check
When drawing back there is a little cam lean, and honestly I don't remember if there was any lean before/originally. I do know it's not as much as I've seen on other new off the shelf bows. Stopping at the pro shop tomorrow to see if they have any info. Although I do miss my bow, the old Scepter is still laying them in there. Amazing the technology advancements that have come about in just 10 years. Like night and day between the 2 bows.
Well I have an update. Shop called this afternoon and said my bow was shipped back on the 21st, so it should be here in the next couple days. Shop owner told me that C.S. stated the cams and mods were replaced and paper tuned. He will know more when the bow and corresponding paper work arrive. Can't wait, I'm anxious to start shooting it again. Just got to remember to keep it loaded next time.
02-27-2012, 02:51 PM
that's not too bad of a turn around, gotta be happy about that! :)
Picked the bow up yesterday. New cams, mods, and paper tuned. All it cost was shipping. I was fully ready to pay the price, Martin customer service is second to none! They treated me great the first 25 years, I see I'll be shooting them for the next 25 years.
Gonna fling some arrows thru it tomorrow, but since I'll be gone for a few weeks and leagues winding down I'm gonna wait until after to switch everything over from the Scepter lll. In fact now is a good time to just set it up with its own accessories.
Shown the wife pics of the new Scepter V. She said no. Looks like I'll have to get it under the cover of darkness.....
Hats off to Martin Archery and there excellent customer service. Second to none in the industry.
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