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droppixel
02-16-2012, 06:40 PM
So the Alien came today. For the owners, got a question on the rotating mods. The top is set in the #4 hole and the bottom is #5 - that seemed off to me, but I don't know a lot about these cams, etc. I'm a 29" draw. Haven't had a chance to really go through it much yet, I'll be putting a new set of strings on it, so I don't want to get too deep into tuning it.

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I did get it set up and took a few shots. Have to say there is a night and day difference btw this and my Cheetah in terms of weight. The X feels pretty awesome. I'm not totally sold on the QAD yet, I like the rest but it definitely needs some felt or moleskin on the launcher. I'm thinking I'll give it a chance, but kinda think I want to go with a TT Smackdown or a Limbdriver. Same with the sight, have a nice TruGlo sight mounted right now that the previous owner sent, but think I'm going to put a TR Vertical Pin on it.

NeilMac
02-17-2012, 12:22 AM
Both modules should be set to exactly the same number.

I had the same thing with my first Shadowcat. Unfortunately, the seller was not a nice person, and had changed the setting in order to cover up a fault with the bow.

Hopefully, in this case it is just a set up mistake.

Speedykills
02-17-2012, 02:22 AM
Yep both modules need to be on the same number and you will have to re adjust the draw stop when ever you change draw length.You need to set the top cam module to #5 same as bottom to be at 29" draw,same as mine........Now just need to get ya in Alien mafia.............

droppixel
02-17-2012, 04:23 AM
Awesome, I'll get that changed tonight for sure. I know of the mafia and I think I know who I need to message for the invite. Yeah, I don't think there is anything wrong with the bow and hopefully that isn't the case in a cover up. The guy has been very pleasant to work with, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt there. He did say he was at the shop getting things changed around, so that could have been a miss there.

I do need to give everything a good look still, saw there was a slightly rough spot on one of the cams, the serving was showing a little wear. Also at the ccs he doesn't have the cables served, so those are showing some wear. I'm assuming those should have a serving as they go through the roller correct?

MLN1963
02-17-2012, 05:32 AM
It could be the two different angles of that the pictures were taken at but the cams don't seem to be timed the same. The gap between the string post and the string should be very close to the same for both sides. In the second picture it looks to be almost touching but that could just be the angle.

Speedykills
02-17-2012, 05:33 AM
Awesome, I'll get that changed tonight for sure. I know of the mafia and I think I know who I need to message for the invite. Yeah, I don't think there is anything wrong with the bow and hopefully that isn't the case in a cover up. The guy has been very pleasant to work with, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt there. He did say he was at the shop getting things changed around, so that could have been a miss there.

I do need to give everything a good look still, saw there was a slightly rough spot on one of the cams, the serving was showing a little wear. Also at the ccs he doesn't have the cables served, so those are showing some wear. I'm assuming those should have a serving as they go through the roller correct?

The stock string has that clear serving on mine,seems to do a good job,im sure it wouldnt be to hard to do that.And it does look like your cams need timing as stated above.

droppixel
02-17-2012, 06:41 AM
I have no doubt that things could be or are out of whack with with as far as timing goes. I'll get more straight on shots tonight to see. I haven't done much dual cam tuning, so this will be a learning process but one I'm definitely excited about.

wscywabbit
02-17-2012, 07:06 AM
I think you'll enjoy these Nitrous/Hybrix cams, they are smooth! Being binary, they are easy to set up and tune as well. I'm sure you'll be up and shooting robin hoods in no time ;)

droppixel
02-17-2012, 09:54 AM
Definitely have new toy fever. Wanting to get home and start tinkering with this thing. I think if I can get everything in order with what is currently on the bow, when I get a new set of strings it won't be so foreign to me. Thinking I'm going to take a drive up to Cabela's this weekend too and pick up a few new things to slap on this bad boy.

MLN1963
02-17-2012, 11:57 AM
Drop

You probably already know this but just in case you don't......

Any time you twist or untwist the cables or string send a few arrows down range and then take your measurements. This will let things settle in and you will get a true reading. About a year ago I was a real greenhorn and was chasing my tail because I didn't shoot to settle in the strings and cables. I thought just drawing them would do it. Nope, I wasted a lot of time and effort until I started shooting it in. A wise man learns from others mistakes, not his own. :cool:

droppixel
02-17-2012, 12:09 PM
Awesome tip! Yeah I didn't have to do much twisting with my Cheetah, so this will be the first real venture into a lot of that. Planning on heading up to Cabela's this weekend and getting a Bowmaster. Been putting it off for a while, but with this I know it will be very handy to have that available. Might pick up a new sight while I'm there too. Got a short list of other small things (new quiver) that might need wait.

Ehunter
02-17-2012, 03:07 PM
My old '09 FC came from the factory with the mods set differently. I didn't notice it until I started tuning. The #5 hole should be a 29 inch draw. Set up and tuning was a breeze on my AX, so you should have no trouble at all. Keep us updated!

droppixel
02-17-2012, 04:24 PM
Ok got the mod changed. Just checked the timing and the top cam is just slightly behind. Going to go look at the manuals again to see what needs twisting. I'm definitely going to need to give the cam and module groves a good look over when I swap the strings out. The servings on these are showing some wear and I can see a few rougher spots along the tracks. Fingers crossed things aren't too bad with this once I get it all apart. One thing I am seeing is he didn't have his cables served for the ccs and it is chewing em up, so I'll be giving those groves a good look also.


The top cable stop is coming to rest before the bottom.
Add a twist in the cable that feeds into the top module

If I'm reading this right, mine is the opposite, I need to add a twist to the cable that feeds into the bottom. Is that right?

MLN1963
02-17-2012, 04:37 PM
My son's Pantera has CCS and the factory string isn't served in the CCS area. I don't see any wear either. Maybe your strings have a lot of shots on them? Perssonally I don't see the need for the extra weight. They should be changed out every couple years anyway. But that is just me.

droppixel
02-17-2012, 06:06 PM
Almost got it. Top is still just a touch behind. Not going to mess with it any more until I get that Bowmaster tomorrow. I can't do the limb bolt trick another time on this. Cranking this thing back down is a little hard on the hands. Did notice that the sound is coming down and it feels fast as heck, much better than how it felt last night. I'll be excited to see exactly how well everything goes once everything is dialed in.

MLN1963
02-17-2012, 06:11 PM
Twisting the Bowmaster is harder than twisting a limb bolt!

I have mine where a half twist on either end makes things worse, not better. You may have to adjust your string too. Check A2A, BH and draw length. Speedy mentioned creep tuning for speed but I have never heard of using it for that, only for forgiveness. But I am a rookie!

MLN1963
02-17-2012, 06:14 PM
This is probably why you got this bow so cheap. The owner thought it was a $hitty bow and didn't shoot good. Too bad he didn't know how jacked up it was! A few hours of your time and it is shooting like a dream.

droppixel
02-17-2012, 06:17 PM
Twisting the Bowmaster is harder than twisting a limb bolt!

I have mine where a half twist on either end makes things worse, not better. You may have to adjust your string too. Check A2A, BH and draw length. Speedy mentioned creep tuning for speed but I have never heard of using it for that, only for forgiveness. But I am a rookie!

Slips my mind, but I think it was Barry - said using the bow master with a socket/ratchet makes it much easier. Right now A2A and BH are spot on! I think I might need 1 more twist in the cable to get them synced up. Might give the hand a rest and then crank them one more time. Trying to get some grease on the bolts too in order to help that along, they were bone dry the first time I worked them out.

droppixel
02-18-2012, 11:47 AM
Got the cams synced up and put on a new TR Firewire V5 sight. Pretty nice, but don't know if I'll need all 5 pins :p Started working on sighting in and my 30 pin is almost directly on top of my 20! Don't want to get too deep into it, got some strings coming from JRH60 ( sorry Hutch :( ) was told he's the man when it comes to Alien strings. But so far so good, feels good and feel like it sounds good too. Definitely going to need to get my hands on a chrono and see if it is performing as well as it should be.

wscywabbit
02-18-2012, 12:08 PM
This is probably why you got this bow so cheap. The owner thought it was a $hitty bow and didn't shoot good. Too bad he didn't know how jacked up it was! A few hours of your time and it is shooting like a dream.

Amazing what a little know how and elbow grease can do... ;)

That being said, PICS! PICS! We need some bow-porn... or are you gonna wait for the new strings to reveal you're new beauty all dressed up? :p

MLN1963
02-18-2012, 12:37 PM
And the bow will continue to get a bad rap no fault of its own. Unless DP let's the guy know it is all fied up and not for sale! :cool:

droppixel
02-18-2012, 01:03 PM
Amazing what a little know how and elbow grease can do... ;)

That being said, PICS! PICS! We need some bow-porn... or are you gonna wait for the new strings to reveal you're new beauty all dressed up? :p

I'll add these to the photo session thread too. I got FloGreen Speck / Kiwi strings coming. Get these Santa Claus threads off of it! I'll update pictures then also. So jazzed on this bow. So far it is shoot pretty well in my opinion, but I'm sure it could get much better. Cracked another nock today, down to 4 shootable arrows ... need to get some more nocks and shafts :mad:

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wscywabbit
02-18-2012, 01:39 PM
Awesome pick up DP! If I were to be in the market for a new bow, I think the AX would be at the top of my list ;) Can't wait to see the new threads, I bet they look pretty good on that black bow!

droppixel
02-19-2012, 01:18 PM
Things are definitely coming around with this bow I'd say. Cracked another nock at 30 yards this afternoon. Couldn't resist shooting again today, trying to get 20-30 dialed in. The speed on this thing is going to take some adjusting too especially with these 20-30 yard shots. The pins are going to be so close.