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cmwr
03-08-2012, 02:45 AM
I got to admit I am a little disappointed that Martin does not offer a nice bow for kids and women. Like the mathews mission line they got some sweet looking bows that go from 15 lbs and 19" draw all the way up to 70 lbs and 30" draw all on one bow. They are split limb and have machined cams. And Martin has that ugly kids bow with the wheel brackets that looks like it came out of the 70s. Why wouldn't Martin make a nicer bow for a kid or a lady to start out on that maybe can only pull 30 lbs to start?

cmwr
03-08-2012, 02:47 AM
Or am I reading something wrong in all the specs? How low can the adult bows go on weight with the lower draw length settings?

dmw
03-08-2012, 03:25 AM
You are right. In our local shop the kids and womens bows are selling
faster than anything and they can't keep in the pink como. bows.

cmwr
03-09-2012, 02:52 AM
Well seriously whats wrong with martin? I wish they would offer something for women and kids that looked more like a serious modern machine, capable of being adjusted up to hunt with, with serious speeds and forgiveness, instead of a youth bow that looks like some crap that came out of the 1970s. That kids bow looks like a wal mart toy.

SJunior
03-09-2012, 04:51 AM
Could always buy a 2011 Leopard. I agree that they need something for 2012 though.

bfisher
03-09-2012, 06:54 AM
No comment except to say that I agree. They should design and develop a youth.women's bow. Something with decent quality, too.

joelc
03-09-2012, 09:24 AM
Well seriously whats wrong with martin? I wish they would offer something for women and kids that looked more like a serious modern machine, capable of being adjusted up to hunt with, with serious speeds and forgiveness, instead of a youth bow that looks like some crap that came out of the 1970s. That kids bow looks like a wal mart toy.

If there was significant market demand for the product, Martin would have it...since there isn't, they don't. Simple as that.

cmwr
03-09-2012, 03:00 PM
according to dmw above he stated that in his area the youth and womens bows were selling faster than anything else. Maybe thats not true for every area but the shops around here have told me they are selling the heck out of those mission youth and womens bows by your competitor. I asked cause I would love to get my family involved but honestly my wife doesn't seem to care so not gonna force it and my son who is 12 is gonna have to find a way to work for it and I am not too sure he is that dedicated yet to shoot a bow. He has too many other things on his plate so i guess it doesn't matter much in my case but still if he did work hard for it I would love to fit him into a Martin if one was available that would fit him.

dmw
03-09-2012, 03:30 PM
according to dmw above he stated that in his area the youth and womens bows were selling faster than anything else. Maybe thats not true for every area but the shops around here have told me they are selling the heck out of those mission youth and womens bows by your competitor. I asked cause I would love to get my family involved but honestly my wife doesn't seem to care so not gonna force it and my son who is 12 is gonna have to find a way to work for it and I am not too sure he is that dedicated yet to shoot a bow. He has too many other things on his plate so i guess it doesn't matter much in my case but still if he did work hard for it I would love to fit him into a Martin if one was available that would fit him.

Our local shop has a youth shoot every sat.and sometimes around 35-40 shooters and most of them have bought new
in the last year. Ages from 5-15 yrs. and many of the mothers are starting to shoot and many are buying bows also .
Kids are bringing kids there is someone new every week. So youth and womens bows are working in our area .

bob cooly
03-09-2012, 05:19 PM
Other than not offering a Pink camo this year the adjustablility of the new cams definitly qualify it as a ladies/youth bow. I mean a 50lb bow with the new cam should go down to what 25lbs. And like the Nuge I only shoot about 50lbs max so whats the beef. The Matin bows are lighter as a whole than even the riser twisting Heli'm. If you have to have pink get it dipped.

gravedigger
03-09-2012, 05:23 PM
Other than not offering a Pink camo this year the adjustablility of the new cams definitly qualify it as a ladies/youth bow. I mean a 50lb bow with the new cam should go down to what 25lbs. And like the Nuge I only shoot about 50lbs max so whats the beef. The Matin bows are lighter as a whole than even the riser twisting Heli'm. If you have to have pink get it dipped.

X2.the new fury cam takes a full grown bow and drops it down to the ladies/youth bow then right back to the 70 lbs

bfisher
03-10-2012, 03:09 AM
The Fury XT cam with it's 35# draw weight adjustment certainly could fit into this nitch. That's not the prroblem. It's draw length. Draw length would have to go down to about 21" and up to about 28". This would give DAD a lot of leeway without having to buy a new bow every couple years as the child grows.

And Joel, we appreciate your input, as always, but are just throwing some ideas your way. We know you pop in here every so often. Having been a staff shooter of sorts for almost 20 years (4 companies) and a sales rep for Peasron in 2003 I have seen some of the the business end of this sport and it is a rough one at that from the manufacturer's perspective.. Very competitive.

cmwr
03-10-2012, 03:26 AM
I saw the adjustability of the fury cam and thought that was awesome but the draw length doesn't quite go down enough to make it a kids bow or a small statured womens bow. I wanted to buy my son a decent bow 4 years ago but didn't want to buy him a new bow every year. He is growing like a weed. And hes 12 so hes right at that age where any day now hes bound to hit one of those growth spurts and put on 4-6 inches in one year. I myself am shooting a 1997-98 Martin cougar or cheetah (?) so I can't even say as if I buy myself new bows much although I want one on the near horizon.:cool:

bfisher
03-10-2012, 03:58 AM
One bow company that has always stood out to me, but doesn't spend a ton on marketing is Darton. Check their website, but they have a decent youth bow in the RangerX, and it's reasonably priced. This bow has been around for a lot of years with minor changes, but IMO is way overlooked in favor of others that are more aggressively marketed. I mean, 17" to 28" draw length, 15# to 50# draw weight range, Looks like an adult bow, and retails at just over $200. What's not to like?

cmwr
03-10-2012, 05:27 PM
One bow company that has always stood out to me, but doesn't spend a ton on marketing is Darton. Check their website, but they have a decent youth bow in the RangerX, and it's reasonably priced. This bow has been around for a lot of years with minor changes, but IMO is way overlooked in favor of others that are more aggressively marketed. I mean, 17" to 28" draw length, 15# to 50# draw weight range, Looks like an adult bow, and retails at just over $200. What's not to like?

Darton, Now theres a company I always admired, have never held or ever shot one of their products, but always wondered about them. I actually figured they may have went by the wayside like so many other companies. You just never ever hear about them. Do they even sell much of anything anymore? I have never even known anyone who has owned or shot a darton. The mystery company....

elkslayer4x5
03-11-2012, 07:39 AM
I've been shooting my Darton Fury since 1972, yep I said 1972. And its still a fast recurve. Darton was one of the first companys granted premmision to build compounds and about 1976 dropped recurves from their line up. Another un-reconized smaller manufacturer, but they build nice bows, compounds now, and at one time, great recurves.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/deast-lr/Gear/DSCN0275.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/deast-lr/DartonFury.jpg

bfisher
03-11-2012, 08:45 AM
Now that is any oldie but goody. Nice looking, too.

I think maybe the reason you don't hear much about them is because they have very few problems. I remember owning a 1992 Darton Viper and it was one fast piece of equipment. Darton made one bow that was faster in the early 90's called the Lightning and it was one of the first bows to break the 300 fps bracket. I could never handle the hard hatchet cams from that era, just like I can't handle the more aggressive cams of today.

If memory serve me correctly they were the innovators of the cam +1/2 system with their CPS cams. Hope I got that right.

Double S
03-11-2012, 09:38 AM
I agree about the youth Bows. I do wish Martin would get back into Competition style FITA recurves. I was checking out the old Martin Aurora's and Liked what i saw. I would like to do some Oly style shooting.

wscywabbit
03-11-2012, 09:52 AM
I told my oldest daughter that if she could draw 40# I'd take her hunting with me, and she's getting close. There's some nice kids/womens bows out there, PSE, Mission, Diamon/Bowtech, but I think I'll be getting her a Bear Apprentice; 20-60 lbs of adjustment 15-27" of draw length. They also have the Outbreak, Siren, and Homewrecker all aimed at women or children.

madman350
03-11-2012, 05:08 PM
I told my oldest daughter that if she could draw 40# I'd take her hunting with me, and she's getting close. There's some nice kids/womens bows out there, PSE, Mission, Diamon/Bowtech, but I think I'll be getting her a Bear Apprentice; 20-60 lbs of adjustment 15-27" of draw length. They also have the Outbreak, Siren, and Homewrecker all aimed at women or children.

something to look out for on some of these super adjustable bows is that the minimum draw weight increases with increases in draw length. ex= at 25-26" draw i saw a college age athletic looking girl struggling to pull her apprentice2 set to her draw length at basspro one day, they had to shorten draw (less than optimum) so it could get down to that 38-40 lb. range, so should be ok for shorter draw lengths and the same formula applies to max poundage too, ex. 22" draw wont go to 50 lbs.. the razor edge isnt handicapped in that way i've was told, and i think it felt better on the draw and balances a hair nicer. more slender maybe? the leopard may have a 15 lb weight range that doesnt appear to be limited by draw length. the accutrac cams got to be really nice on that one, but at 3.35 lbs(not bad, ) i'm not sure it is slim as it could have been vs. the competitors, but its history now.

madman350
03-11-2012, 05:57 PM
If there was significant market demand for the product, Martin would have it...since there isn't, they don't. Simple as that.


there wont be a significant market for any size compound bows if statistics are correct that the average age of hunters keep getting older. manufacturers can do their part by creating market demand and ignite some interest in archery by keeping products out there that interest/intrigue or fill the size requirements of the younger generation. its a strategy that has apparently worked for the computer gaming manufacturers, see madden '98-'2012,etc.

coastie hunter
03-12-2012, 11:40 AM
The fury cam is one of the most adjustable cams out this year,my boy is 9 and shooting 23" I am thinking next year he will be able to shoot 24" then he can shoot the fury cam he loves the new bengal.I think martin hit a homerun this year and look forward to shooting there new bows in the future.

cmwr
03-14-2012, 02:29 AM
I bit the bullet and bought my wife a 2012 diamond razors edge. Waiting for it to arrive. I am aware of the draw weight/ draw length issue. Hopefully if she can't pull it back with minimum draw weight while it is set at her draw length, I can shorten the draw to allow her to pull back and if shes like most of us, after a couple weeks of shooting she should be able to go up in poundage. It is surprising how fast your back mucles develope when you use them.

flippin' fairy
03-15-2012, 01:32 AM
Which is why my hubby & I have had to convert each of our youngest daughters & my own Martin bows. Every time we bought something in the Martin range, right back to Tigress's & the original Tiger's, it was either too slow, weighed more than specs said barebow, too long in the draw, too high in poundage which involved changing limbs> then new strings > new cams & mods with all the bushings etc...ughh. The amount of $ we've paid with conversions could've gotten us bows from another company which I will admit that I do actually shoot a different company bow on a usual basis now (shamefully known as a traitor but I still wear my Martin hat!!). Anything for youth or ladies under the 25.5" draw is out the window barr the Leopard atm - which we've now had to convert for the daughter to nitrous C cams coz she's grown to 27" draw @ 13yrs old. We aren't aware of anyone else thats done this conversion with a Leopard shoot though (providing we can get the x-mods) but our daughter is itching for her Leopard to be just like my hubby & I's multiple Martin set-ups. We already have the custom string & cables, just waiting for mods to surface somewhere. Wouldn't go to this much hassle with the Leopard we didn't have a custom powdercoat job done on it. We've always shot Martins because of the draw length adjustments, they're damn good bows, fast & accurate, good value for money & we can work on our bows without needing a bow press, alot of the parts used to be interchangeable - plus the company usually looks after us if we require anything. Things change, Martin generally no longer send from the factory now apparently, maybe something will come along again that suits youths & ladies doing long range WAF that we can try in the Martin range, but that's archery huh - $, $ & more $.

I stopped & wondered the other day what I'd be doing if not shooting archery, after paying off the mortgage, I'd be covered in tatts - just as addictive as archery!! :D