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Longshank
03-31-2012, 09:46 AM
Hi guys,

Been a Mathews guy for years however I've decided to give Martin a try. I am really struggling with which bow to go with though. As with most guys, I'm looking for the perfect combination of speed, smooth, quiet, accurate, and forgiving. I guess if I had to put my priorities in order they'd be this:

#1 smooth
#2 quiet
#3 accurate
#4 speed
#5 forgiving

I'm 5'9 with around a 27" draw. So what do you guy suggest?

Thanks in advance for your advice!

Shank

jeadcock
03-31-2012, 10:00 AM
Shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. Martin Archery does offer a lot. And offer a lot of what you are looking for, all in the same bow. Each person can be as different as night and day. Own the same bow and set it up two different ways. May feal different. Arrow weight can absorb a lot. The rest can be loud. Man, that is what I love about archery. You can make it your own. If you know people with them, shoot one. Or find a dealer that wont push a brand on you. And will let you test drive one until you decided. When you find the right one, you will know. Good luck and happy hunting.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-31-2012, 10:12 AM
Hi guys,

Been a Mathews guy for years however I've decided to give Martin a try. I am really struggling with which bow to go with though. As with most guys, I'm looking for the perfect combination of speed, smooth, quiet, accurate, and forgiving. I guess if I had to put my priorities in order they'd be this:

#1 smooth
#2 quiet
#3 accurate
#4 speed
#5 forgiving

I'm 5'9 with around a 27" draw. So what do you guy suggest?

Thanks in advance for your advice!

ShankWelcome to the forum, The best suggestion is to go to a shop and shoot them. Too many variables. They have a lot of nice bows single cams or 2 cam bows but its hard to recommend since they all shoot different. Rytera alien xt is a great bow to me but might not work for you. Too many choices but Onza III and the Pantera have made a good hit on here. As well as the whole Rytera line.


Hutch:cool:

droppixel
03-31-2012, 11:00 AM
1st. Welcome
2nd. What took you so long to come to your senses :p
3rd. Single/Dual Cam?


Onza is what initially came to mind when reading your post. A Nemesis would do the trick from Rytera. The new Pantera has seen a lot of good action and review with the Fury XT cam and there are a bunch of guys that have the Firecats/Cougars that love those too. I have an 07 Cheetah, a 10 Alien X and lucky to have a 12 Bengal Pro coming soon.

HawgEnvy
03-31-2012, 11:03 AM
Welcome to the forum,Shank. Judging by your list of priorities,I can see why want to get rid of Mathews. Doh,J/K...? Anyway,what you are looking for won't be hard to find in a Martin. What Mathews are you shooting? Did you like that ata length or do you want something longer? Maybe shorter? What are your main purposes for the bow? Hunting? Target? Just a few more questions for you to take into consideration. Good luck choosing and let us know. Martin Tech Forum man-law dictates pics when you get your new toy. If you need a hand posting pics,Brad(ArrowSplitter) is good at posting pics. lol. Or PM me and I can help you out,too.

Double S
03-31-2012, 02:23 PM
Welcome to the forum!. Like the others fellas have stated. What will you be primarily using it for?. Tree stand / ground blind hunters generally like shorter ATA bows for narrow spaces. I myself like medium to long ata bows. I don't tree stand hunt and I don't like ground blinds. I find medium to long ATA bows to be more forgiving. Brace height also matters to me. The best thing to do is find a Martin dealer and test shoot a couple bows. You'll know the right one when you shoot it. Just my two cents.

Arrow Splitter
03-31-2012, 02:56 PM
Welcome to the forum Longshank!

I'm with everyone else. You'll have to do some shooting before your purchase, which I'm sure won't be a problem.:cool:

A.S

Largo
03-31-2012, 03:03 PM
The back valley of the fury cam is a little ruff if you are not used to it. I have shot the bengal and the scepter, the nitro cams are
much more smooth. I would get a Cougar FC if your looking for a hunting bow. If a Target bow go with the scepter I love mine.

Enjoy your Martin

wscywabbit
03-31-2012, 04:49 PM
Welcome to the forum LS, and glad to see you've come to your senses ;) j/k

If you're looking for performance/speed, I'd look at the Cougar F/C with the Nitro cams, the Silencer, or the Onza.

The Scepter is our current target bow offering, although the Onza is fairly stable and the Pantera has a mid/long ATA as well.

Any of the bows with the Fury cam have a huge range of adjust-ability, and accuracy is inherent in the whole lineup.

Of course, in my opinion, you just can't go wrong with an Onza.... but I'm a bit biased ;)

Longshank
03-31-2012, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome guys and thanks again for your initial thoughts. Definitely looking for a hunting bow primarily, and more times than not I'll be perched 20 or 30 in a tree climber so shorter ATA is definitely a factor for me. @HawgEnvy: I've owned 4 or 5 Mathews over the years, the one I just got rid of was the Drenalin, just never could vibe with it like I wanted. I've owned both dual cam and single cam bows and can't say that I really prefer one over the other. @Largo: From what I've read so far I think I'm definitely leaning more towards the Nitro Cams for a couple of reasons.

The problem I have guys is that I live in the Nashville area and all the local shops around here sell Mathews. Even though Martin lists Bass Pro Shops as a dealer here, they haven't had a Martin on the rack in 6 mnths or more, and I'm not interested at all in buying one of those package deals that Dick's has. The guy behind the bench at BPS today immediately tried to start selling me a PSE when I asked him about Martin. The closest shop I could find is an hour or two away so it doesn't look like shooting before I decide is going to be that easy.

Any other recs from the peanut gallery?

Thanks,

Shank

Thermodude
03-31-2012, 05:46 PM
Welcome to the forum dude, I shot Mathews also and for the last few years Ive shot Bowtech. I changed over to Martin this year and I have no regrets. My 3D rig is a 2012 Pantera and my hunting rig is a 2011 Onza III. My advice is to talk to everyone you can......shoot the bows. Read all the reviews that you can find.........Martin has made a pretty strong statement for 2012, the forums and the members can tell you alot.......use it all you can!

Money Man
03-31-2012, 05:46 PM
Welcome to the forum. It seems you know what you want in a bow, but are limited in being able to shoot a few to try them out. Do you have any friends or acquaintances that shoot any of these bows? Do you travel for business or take a vacation where there may be a dealer closer to you? Might be woth a trip to the place an hour away, just call ahead to make sure they have the ones in stock that you are looking at. Best of luck to you. Keep us posted.

Longshank
03-31-2012, 05:56 PM
I sell educational technology and do travel quite a bit in TN and NC. I guess it'll be easier than I thought to shoot one. ;) There are several shops in east tn, so I guess I'll see what I can set up with them. I did notice that Martin has some ordering features through the site. Do they limit you on what you can customize on your bow if you buy it direct?

droppixel
03-31-2012, 05:57 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome guys and thanks again for your initial thoughts. Definitely looking for a hunting bow primarily, and more times than not I'll be perched 20 or 30 in a tree climber so shorter ATA is definitely a factor for me. @HawgEnvy: I've owned 4 or 5 Mathews over the years, the one I just got rid of was the Drenalin, just never could vibe with it like I wanted. I've owned both dual cam and single cam bows and can't say that I really prefer one over the other. @Largo: From what I've read so far I think I'm definitely leaning more towards the Nitro Cams for a couple of reasons.

The problem I have guys is that I live in the Nashville area and all the local shops around here sell Mathews. Even though Martin lists Bass Pro Shops as a dealer here, they haven't had a Martin on the rack in 6 mnths or more, and I'm not interested at all in buying one of those package deals that Dick's has. The guy behind the bench at BPS today immediately tried to start selling me a PSE when I asked him about Martin. The closest shop I could find is an hour or two away so it doesn't look like shooting before I decide is going to be that easy.

Any other recs from the peanut gallery?

Thanks,

Shank

In the new lineup if you are going to buy new - Bengal/Cougar/Silencer are all close A2A at 31-32.25 - The Alien X (Ultralight) is 31.5 - I'm sure being to able to shoot one or 2 prior to buying is going to be the most preferred thing, but I can say both of the Martin/Rytera bows I have right now were purchased sight/unseen-shot. That is a little crazy I'm sure, I just trust that their bows are going to feel good no matter what. My Cheetah is an older single cam, the Alien has the hybrix on it. Different draw cycles for sure, but I like them both. Both are really smooth as well.

Like the guys say, if you have anyone nearby that is willing to let you shoot one of theirs take that. If you feel confident buying before trying, a lot of guys say hit up HuntingUSA over on AT and he gives out good deals for AT members if you ask him about it.

Hope whatever you land with, you like.

wscywabbit
03-31-2012, 06:13 PM
There are a few options in their website, but if you call instead, they can do more custom order stuff, just FYI. Also just so you know, Martin's warranty is not like Mathew's so it is not just for the original owner; some really good deals on used bows can be had with fairly high confidence. And even though it is easy to order through the Martin website, it is definitely less expensive to shop around...

jeadcock
03-31-2012, 06:51 PM
My Cheetah was bought unseen as well. Tons of research, forums, etc. 100% satisfaction.

mdodraw29
03-31-2012, 07:19 PM
I just switched from a z7 to a 2011 martin silencer. I am real happy with the silencer, it is surprisingly smooth and forgiving for such a fast bow and it was at real reasonable price. good luck

Lung Buster
04-01-2012, 02:43 AM
If you have a dicks in your area see if they will let you shoot the martin bows! The bows at dicks are a regular model just renamed for dicks dont know why but that is how it works! My 2010 Bone Hunter is really a cheetah just a couple fifferences like my cams are copper instead of black! If you shoot them there and do the research you can figure out which regular model you shot and liked!

HawgEnvy
04-01-2012, 03:53 AM
yeah,I wouldnt worry about the Dick's bows. Same Martin quality and same warranty and awesome CS. The Rack Attack is the Exile at 30.25" ata and is an excellent shooter. There's one here in the classifieds,I believe. I've noticed that Martin bows are hard to come by on the AT classifieds.

SJunior
04-01-2012, 04:39 AM
Welcome to the forum.

Definitely the Nitro cam bows, they are as smooth as any single cam out there. The Silencer was my choice and it shoots great.

I have shot Martin bows for 30 years and have yet to shoot one before I bought.

gravedigger
04-01-2012, 06:48 AM
welcome to the forum
the Cougar FC with nitro cams would be my choice,maybe get the cams in cloaked that would look nice.the bow has great specs and my next bow will be a cougar.

coastie hunter
04-01-2012, 08:18 AM
I started shooting mathews back in 1996 I shot mathews until 2006. I traded my switchback for a bullet x and have been shooting martin since then.martin makes a great bow for me they are alot easier to tune than mathews,they are fun to shoot,and I like the fact that they are a family run business and they put the customer first.I also like the fact that they are made in my home state of washington. not to many companys are making bows affordable now days but martin has made inovations just to keep there cost down. that comes in pretty handy when you love archery and you have 3 kids that all love archery to, my family and I will be shooting martin for a long time to come.

Matrix
04-01-2012, 10:12 AM
I think this will help you decide
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bfisher
04-01-2012, 10:50 AM
Longshank,

I've stayed out of this fracas for a while and for my own reasons. I shoot similar specs as you in that I'm 5'8" tall and shoot right at or near 27". I don't hunt any more but have had my share of years in a treestand.

I'm not a short bow fan for several reasons. One is that I came up through the years with compounds around 48" and never lost a shot due to this excess length; that's all that was available back then and that was a lot shorter than a 60"+ recurve. That being said I also am of the opinion that I hunted a few months of the year actually taking less thn 1/2 doz shots during a season. I did a lot more shooting during what some call the off season, shooting target, field, and 3D--maybe 10,000 shots a year. So I always chose my bows with this in mind. I wanted more stable bows and this meant a longer a2a and more mass weight.

I've found that I get the most cosistent accuracy with bows about 38" long. I've owned bows as short as 32" and shot them well, but not as easily as with the longer bows. I'm finding that with today's parallel limbs and bigger cams a shorter bow can be shot accurately, but for me that means at least 32" and closer to 34" to 36" a2a. With a given cam (Nitro?) a slightly longer bow will draw just a bit smoother, too, when set to the same draw weight and length.

While we're on the subject of "smooth" let's discuss it further. Many people think that buying a smooth drawing bow set to a certain draw weight is the cat's meow. I've done my own human testing with both the Nitro/Hybrix (speed) cams as compared to the "easy" drawing MPro cams. One bow was a 2008 Martin FireCat and the other was a 2009 Moab; identical except for the cams with the Moab having the "smooth" cam. I had a chrono at my disposal and this is how I propose people compare bows.

Do not set them for a given draw weight for comparison. Set the smooth drawing bow for your desired draw weight and shoot it a bit to get used to the feel. Then shoot it over the chrono and record the speed. Now take the "hard cam" bow and do the same thing. It's probably going to be faster. Now back the weight off about 7# and chrono it again, adjust till both bows are shooting the same speed. Now alternate and shoot them both and see just how much differenc there is in draw cycles.

I'll be you won't find that hard cam bow so hard any more. And because you'll be drawing 7-8# less weight it won't wear you dwn as quickly when practicing. Longer mre frequent shooting sessions means you can work on your form and build better muscle memory and stamina; all good for hunting.

Now please consider that this is just my opinion on the subject, but is based on actual shooting of two bow identical except for the cams. Somehwere along in my career I learned to leave my ego at home when it comes to draw weight. Afterall, it's just a number and a dead deer isn't counting numbers.

Longshank
04-02-2012, 04:58 AM
Thanks for all the great advice guys! It is really appreciated. I am travelling to East TN this week and found a dealer that is right on my way to Bristol. They have several models that I'll be able to shoot. Really leaning towards the Cougar right now but I'll talk with them about what I'm wanting out of a bow and we'll work it out from there. I'll let you all know what I decide. Thanks again!!!

Shank

Tosi
04-02-2012, 06:11 AM
Pantera, Pantera, Pantera. I too have changed from another leading bow manufacture in the past few years. I purchased a 2009 Pantera and now own 2011 Fire Cat 400, 2012 Cougar with the Fury Cam and a 2012 Pantera with Fury Cam. The guys are right in saying the Fury Cam is a little rougher but with the 34 A2A and 7' brace of the 2012 Pantera, it make up for a lot. I do like the Pantera and will most likely be my main hunting bow this year. I will tell you that the Fire Cat 400 is right their, if not better. The 2011 Fire Cat is basically the Cougar FC Nitro Cams, smooth fast and accurate. I shoot the Panter with greater accuracy, don't know why, and just do. You can't go wrong with any of the new Bow from Martin.

jwatts
04-04-2012, 04:58 AM
The back valley of the fury cam is a little ruff if you are not used to it. I have shot the bengal and the scepter, the nitro cams are
much more smooth. I would get a Cougar FC if your looking for a hunting bow. If a Target bow go with the scepter I love mine.

Enjoy your Martin

My thoughts exactly. I am the same size as you with a 27" draw. I am waiting on my cougar fc pro with nitro cams as we speak. Nitro's seemed much smoother for me.

Longshank
04-04-2012, 04:30 PM
Well, in a few weeks I'll be the proud owner of a 2012 Cougar FC Pro with Nitro Cams. Shot the Bengal, Pantera, and the Cougar. Knew as soon as that first arrow was released that the Cougar was the one. Thanks for all the great advice and help guys!

Shank

droppixel
04-04-2012, 04:38 PM
Good news!

mdodraw29
04-04-2012, 10:49 PM
congratulations on the new bow.

Lung Buster
04-05-2012, 12:23 AM
Cograts and good luck with the new bow! And welcome to the club

wscywabbit
04-05-2012, 05:57 AM
Well, in a few weeks I'll be the proud owner of a 2012 Cougar FC Pro with Nitro Cams. Shot the Bengal, Pantera, and the Cougar. Knew as soon as that first arrow was released that the Cougar was the one. Thanks for all the great advice and help guys!

Shank

Nice choice, its one of my favorites in the lineup!

jwatts
04-06-2012, 04:08 PM
Well, in a few weeks I'll be the proud owner of a 2012 Cougar FC Pro with Nitro Cams. Shot the Bengal, Pantera, and the Cougar. Knew as soon as that first arrow was released that the Cougar was the one. Thanks for all the great advice and help guys!

Shank

Longshank, your going to love the cougar with nitros. I just got mine yesterday.. Wow!!! Its like a new girlfriend..Lol Smooth and Fast

bfisher
04-06-2012, 04:19 PM
Longshank, your going to love the cougar with nitros. I just got mine yesterday.. Wow!!! Its like a new girlfriend..Lol Smooth and Fast

Girls cost a lot more money. Trust me on that one. I once told my wife she cost me over a million dollars. She asked "How do you figure that?" I said "Cause I know what I made working in that steel mill over the last 29 years and I know what I've got left. You got the rest." Over the same amount of time I've spent maybe $30,000 on archery related gear. Now you tell me which is higher maintenance.

deerchser
04-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Well, in a few weeks I'll be the proud owner of a 2012 Cougar FC Pro with Nitro Cams. Shot the Bengal, Pantera, and the Cougar. Knew as soon as that first arrow was released that the Cougar was the one. Thanks for all the great advice and help guys!

Shank

Congrats on the new bow.

That is the same feeling I got when I first shot my 2012 Cougar FC with Fury XT cams. As soon as the arrow left I knew I would be leaving with that bow. I also recently came back to Martin after shooting a Reezen for a couple seasons. While I will still look at other bows, I will not be leaving martin again. Again, congrats on the new bow and good luck this coming season.