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jnordwell
04-27-2012, 08:24 PM
So I am in need for some new arrows. So all and any of you arrow gurus out there please help. My bow is a shadowcat. maxed out at 64 lbs but am thinking of takin it to 60 lbs. Draw length is 29.5" Looking for a good wt to speed arrow for hunting. Deer,elk,etc... I have 125 gr tips as well as 100 gr. Anythoughts?? Thanks

Thermodude
04-27-2012, 08:29 PM
So I am in need for some new arrows. So all and any of you arrow gurus out there please help. My bow is a shadowcat. maxed out at 64 lbs but am thinking of takin it to 60 lbs. Draw length is 29.5" Looking for a good wt to speed arrow for hunting. Deer,elk,etc... I have 125 gr tips as well as 100 gr. Anythoughts?? Thanks

Ive used Gold Tip XT hunters for more years than I remember. Its a good arrow, Ive hunted with it and shot 3D with it.............no problems.

Ehunter
04-27-2012, 08:43 PM
I shot Beman ICS hunters for a long time, as well as the Gold Tips. Can't say a bad thing about either of them. Both dependable, durable, and affordable. I shoot Victory arrows now, but wouldn't hesitate to use GT's or Beman if Victory quit making arrows. Cabelas also has some in house arrows that are very good.

wscywabbit
04-27-2012, 08:53 PM
I just bought some Gold Tip Velocity hunters for my nephew, he has a 29" draw, and a 60# bow so I bought them with that in mind. I wanted him to be able to get the most out of the lower draw weight that he could and still be legal to hunt (6 grains per pound in WA state). I'll let you know how they shake out.

Personally, I use Easton Axis Nanos, and have had no complaints whatsoever... other than the price ;) But even that has dropped this year thanks to all the new lightweight arrows Easton brought out this year. I would highly recommend them. :cool:

WildWilt15
04-27-2012, 09:56 PM
I used easton axis 350 out of my martin cheetah with a 65lb dw and a 28.5 dl and the wernt as accurate as the goldtip hunter xt arrows i bought previously, and it was noticiable in my 3d league my average dropped, so i switched back to the gold tips and my average went up. no complaints cheap and work great go with gold tips!!

droppixel
04-27-2012, 11:01 PM
I'm shooting Gold Tip Velocity 300s and love them. Shooting at 29-29.5" draw - don't know the exact and around 65-70# Mine are 28" carbon to carbon and just shoot great.

droppixel
04-27-2012, 11:03 PM
I just bought some Gold Tip Velocity hunters for my nephew, he has a 29" draw, and a 60# bow so I bought them with that in mind. I wanted him to be able to get the most out of the lower draw weight that he could and still be legal to hunt (6 grains per pound in WA state). I'll let you know how they shake out.

Personally, I use Easton Axis Nanos, and have had no complaints whatsoever... other than the price ;) But even that has dropped this year thanks to all the new lightweight arrows Easton brought out this year. I would highly recommend them. :cool:

Unless he has it backed down quite a bit and that is where the lower is coming from 60# is enough to kill any game in North America! I shot Velocity 400s out of my Cheetah last year at 62-64# and they were awesome. Straight pass through on 2 doe from 25-30.

wscywabbit
04-28-2012, 12:30 AM
Well, I meant lower because it seems most people shoot 70 lbs since that's what gets talked about with IBO specs. So I bought him the Velocity Hunters in 400 spine and 7.4 grains per inch.... that way we could set him up with a 360 grain arrow and be within legal limits for arrow weight in Washington. I shoot a 70 lb draw with 340 spine and 9.5 grains per inch. If I had a longer draw I'd probably need to jump up to 300 spine, but that's ok.

droppixel
04-28-2012, 12:35 AM
Timeout ... legal arrow weight?! Either way you got him set up with a solid arrow. I really like mine, they shoot awesome out of the Cheetah. They are too short for my other bows because I have an Apache on the Cheetah and that sits back well behind the arrow shelf.

70# must is a AT stigma, nothing wrong with <70# - The Bengal came in 45-65# limb marked - can't verify it, but the draw on it is sweeeeet! and I'll be hunting with it for sure! Heck there are idiots over there that think they need to shoot 80 and 90# For real dude!? What you trying to prove, hope you got a good surgeon for when your arm rips off is what I think to myself whenever I see that.

wscywabbit
04-28-2012, 12:50 AM
Yep legal arrow weight: Washington state has some silly laws. Minimum arrow weight of 6 grains per pound. So a 60 pound bow has to have minimum of 360 grain arrow.

As for the draw weight, I totally understand; my next bow will be a 60# speed bow. My 70# Onza is pretty sweet but I could get the same performance out of a 60# model and a lower arrow weight.

You think the guys on AT are weight crazy, check out the guys at www.archeryaddix.com; there's guys on there shooting 100# + bows. INSANE!

SJunior
04-28-2012, 07:36 AM
Beman ICS Hunters,,,,, Made in thje USA!

bfisher
04-28-2012, 07:39 AM
I have a question for you Washington guys. I know laws are laws, but how many of you guys have had a game warden actually weigh your arrows while out in the field? Do they really do this?

OK, here's a suggestion for the OP. GT has a feature on their website called "build your own arrow". I just worked it using a Ultralite 22 series shaft, 29" long, standard nock, 3" feathers, lite insert, and 100gr point. Total arrow weight of 350.2 gr and 14.34 foc.

This has a static spine of 300 which would be stiff, but for some reason these shafts adapt very well to almost any reasonable draw weight I've ever used, that being 42# to 63# at a shorter 27" length. If you feel they area little light in weight you could use Blazer vanes to boost the weight and still have adequate FOC for 60#. Maybe stay at 64# and just add the 125 gr points.

Working this one up the total weight with 15gr tips and Blazers works out to 385 gr with an foc of 12.5%. Right at the minimum for 64# to maximize speed with good pentration possibilities.

IMO either would be a near perfect arrow choice for hunting anything your lil ole heart desires.

Simple Life
04-28-2012, 08:22 AM
I shoot GT XT hunters and no complaints,also had a dozen Cabelas Carbon Extreme Stalker with blazer's for shooting in the yard,and would not hesitate to throw a broadhead on and take hunting.

Tosi
04-28-2012, 10:15 AM
I have shot many arrows and depending on LBs and draw. Go to carbon arrow university and look at this site, it should help you. Myself I shoot a 29í Easton Axis 340 that is 9.5g per inch and total weight is 420g with a 100g Slick Trick Mag. I have harvested over ten elk and canít count the deer with this set up. 420g has a punch and the Slick Trick is deadly. The Eastonís are End-Fussed and I get a great flight with the AAE Max Hunters with a right twist. I spent many hours shooting arrows and set-upís and it all falls down to what feels and shoots good for you. Price is also an issue as the Axis wonít break the bank and I would consider than a little above mid range on price. Easton made in the USA.

jnordwell
04-28-2012, 07:40 PM
I have a question for you Washington guys. I know laws are laws, but how many of you guys have had a game warden actually weigh your arrows while out in the field? Do they really do this?

OK, here's a suggestion for the OP. GT has a feature on their website called "build your own arrow". I just worked it using a Ultralite 22 series shaft, 29" long, standard nock, 3" feathers, lite insert, and 100gr point. Total arrow weight of 350.2 gr and 14.34 foc.

This has a static spine of 300 which would be stiff, but for some reason these shafts adapt very well to almost any reasonable draw weight I've ever used, that being 42# to 63# at a shorter 27" length. If you feel they area little light in weight you could use Blazer vanes to boost the weight and still have adequate FOC for 60#. Maybe stay at 64# and just add the 125 gr points.

Working this one up the total weight with 15gr tips and Blazers works out to 385 gr with an foc of 12.5%. Right at the minimum for 64# to maximize speed with good pentration possibilities.

IMO either would be a near perfect arrow choice for hunting anything your lil ole heart desires.

Never seen it frist hand but have heard from a few friends that near rainer they do check the wt. I feel its hunting not target so the wt is a good thing.

mudpig
04-30-2012, 01:05 PM
Same as jnordwell above....I've never seen it personally, but I've heard of fish and wildlife wardens doing spot checks in the field for arrow weight.

droppixel
04-30-2012, 02:09 PM
Same as jnordwell above....I've never seen it personally, but I've heard of fish and wildlife wardens doing spot checks in the field for arrow weight.

This is seriously just crazy talk. I would freak out if IL pulled something like that, while they probably already have and I'm just ignorant to it because it is that silly.

wscywabbit
04-30-2012, 05:50 PM
yep, I've never seen it. I've asked the same question before, and seen it asked on other forums. Everyone says "I know a guy..." My arrows are actually below legal weight, by a little. IDK how picky they actually are. I always figured that kinetic energy would be a better measure of a bow's ability to bring down game, but maybe that's just me. :confused:

Spiker
04-30-2012, 11:49 PM
This is the reg's for Colorado:


4. HAND-HELD BOWS

A long bow, recurve bow or compound bow on which the string is not drawn mechanically or held mechanically under tension. String or mechanical releases are legal if they are hand-drawn or hand-held with no other attachments or connections to bow (except bowstring).a. Hand-held bows, including compound bows, must use arrows with a broadhead having a minimum 7/8-inch outside diameter or width and minimum two steel cutting edges. Each cutting edge must be in same plane for entire length of cutting surface.b. Only legal, hand-held bows allowed during archery seasons.c. Minimum draw weight of 35 pounds required. Let-off maximum of 80 percent.d. No part of bow’s riser (handle) or track, trough, channel, arrow rest or other device (excluding cables and bowstring) that attaches to riser can contact, support and/or guide the arrow from a point rearward of the bow’s brace height behind the undrawn string.e. Bows can propel only a single arrow at a time. No mechanisms for automatically loading arrows allowed.f. Scopes, electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated in to or attached to bow or arrow.g. Hydraulic or pneumatic technology cannot be used to drive or store
energy to propel arrows. Explosive arrows prohibited.

mudpig
05-01-2012, 09:07 AM
WAC 232-12-054 Archery requirements--Archery special use
permits. (1) Rules pertaining to all archery hunting seasons:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to carry or have in his
possession any firearm while in the field archery hunting, during
an archery season specified for that area, except for modern
handguns carried for personal protection. Modern handguns cannot
be used to hunt big game or dispatch wounded big game during an
archery, big game hunting season.
(b) It is unlawful to have any electrical equipment or
electric device(s) attached to the bow or arrow while hunting
except for illuminated nocks.
(c) It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow from a vehicle or
from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway,
except that persons with a disabled hunter permit may shoot from a
vehicle if the hunter is in compliance with WAC 232-12-828.
(d) It is unlawful to use any device secured to or supported
by the bow for the purpose of maintaining the bow at full draw or
in a firing position, except that persons with an archery special
use permit may hunt game birds or game animals using a device that
stabilizes and holds a long bow, recurve bow, or compound bow at a
full draw, and may use a mechanical or electrical release.
(e) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with a crossbow during an
archery season. However, disabled hunter permittees in possession
of a crossbow special use permit may hunt with a crossbow in any
season that allows archery equipment.
(f) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow or
bolt that does not have a sharp broadhead, and the broadhead blade
or blades are less than seven-eighths inch wide.
(g) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a broadhead
blade unless the broadhead is unbarbed and completely closed at the
back end of the blade or blades by a smooth, unbroken surface
starting at maximum blade width and forming a smooth line toward
the feather end of the shaft, and such line does not angle toward
the point.
(h) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with a retractable
broadhead.
(i) It is unlawful to hunt wildlife with any bow ((or
crossbow)) equipped with a scope. However, hunters with
disabilities who meet the definition of being visually impaired in
WAC 232-12-828 may receive a special use permit that would allow
the use of scopes or other visual aids. A disabled hunter permit
holder in possession of a special use permit that allows the use of
a scope or visual aid may hunt game birds or game animals during
archery seasons.
[ 2 ] OTS-4569.1
(2) Rules pertaining to long bow, recurve bow and compound bow
archery:
(a) It is unlawful for any person to hunt big game animals
with a bow that does not produce a minimum of 40 pounds of pull
measured at twenty-eight inches or less draw length.
(b) It is unlawful to hunt big game animals with any arrow
measuring less than 20 inches in length or weighing less than 6
grains per pound of draw weight with a minimum arrow weight of 300
grains.

mudpig
05-01-2012, 09:08 AM
Just this year they are authorizing luminocks...otherwise no electronics at all (meaning no artificial lighting for pins).