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bfisher
06-23-2012, 10:38 AM
My 2012 Nemisis arrived yesterday. Red riser, black carbon limbs (Barnesdale) , and those gaudy fl. green/black strings. They gotta go. Where ya at Hutch?

I'm really having trouble choosing string colors. Anybody on here seen a red riser? They aren't what I'd call red. More like blood red. Very close to BCY Mountain Berry. I don't know whether to go with Mt. Berry and maybe Fl. Green speckled or something that contrasts with the bow.

The present strings won't go to waste as the ones on my 2011 Nemisis are starting to show a little wear and tear. Afterall, it's probably only got 8,000 shots on it right now. I hate the idea of having to change the strings and start tuning all over again even though I measure everything. Maybe I'll just save these new ones till after the new bow is set up and shooting to my satisfaction.

Don't expect pics too soon. Nothing until this thing is set up. One fo the first things needing down is the magical sand paper machining of the cam grooves. Sometyhing I neglected to do with the 2011 model. Also have to contact Joel and order the carbon STS as it came through with the older model.

Chip
06-23-2012, 11:07 AM
Congrats bfischer, I would love to get a Nemisis. I was looking at one at my LGS, it was last years still new for 499.00. Don't know if that's a good price or not, but it looked nice. Enjoy your new bow.

wscywabbit
06-23-2012, 11:21 AM
Nice Barry. Can't wait to see it when you get it put together. :) As for colors, I'm with you on the green not really going with the red riser. Maybe try the black cherry and flame? or maybe a dark red like black cherry or mountain berry and white or silver/black for contrast...

Hutch~n~Son Archery
06-23-2012, 11:47 AM
Time to make a decision Barry.
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Hutch~n~Son Archery
06-23-2012, 11:55 AM
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Hutch~n~Son Archery
06-23-2012, 12:02 PM
One thing to remember Barry. You can always do a Solid color with a pinstripe down the center of it. Like Mt berry and a flo green pinstripe or black as the pinstripe. If you need samples let me know.




Hutch:cool:

bfisher
06-23-2012, 01:14 PM
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What's the top one here Hutch? Mt Berry and Silver?

bfisher
06-23-2012, 02:14 PM
Mybe I'm trying too hard to match the riser. How about red and mt. berry? Clear halo ends and black center serving. My rest is a code red and the Simms stabilizer has red accents. Maybe I'll cover both bases with red and mt. berry.

Speedykills
06-23-2012, 04:43 PM
Congrats on the new nemisis,nothing like getting a new bow....................

bfisher
06-23-2012, 07:24 PM
Thanks Speedy. I intended to wait on strings from Hutch and I haven't ordered them yet. I couldn't wait. Just spent the last two hours out at the club installing accessories and tweaking cables and string to get it to feel the way I like. It's not quite right yet, not the same as my other one, but I have all day tomorrow. Maybe I'll throw the Hogg-It on it and sight in a pin or two.

I'll say one thing about it. That crimson red is not really a bright red. It's more like a metallic blood red. Really cool, and not a flaw in it. Just like the Scepter V I have here it's a beautiful paint job.

There is one thing about it. It's just like my other Nemisis in that the weigt drops only about 1.8# per turn. I ordered a 50#er and it came through with Barnesdale 175 limbs that peaked at 54.12#. I backed it off 5 turns, took 3 twists out of each cable and added 6 twists to the string and it still pulls 45.5#. Like I said, more tweaking to do.

droppixel
06-23-2012, 09:18 PM
Flame and Silver Spec - Silver Serving

Double S
06-23-2012, 10:09 PM
Congrats on the new Nemesis Barry!.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
06-23-2012, 10:40 PM
What's the top one here Hutch? Mt Berry and Silver?
Almost right Barry, Mt, Berry and Silver/black speckle.
According to the Rytera website the crimson red looks more like the red string material. Mt. Berry looks way darker. Could be me or the computer.
Pick some colors you what to see, pm me your address and I will send you some samples. Because on the rolls the colors look different then in a string.




Hutch:cool:

daiwateampenn
06-24-2012, 09:03 AM
hope to c the bow update soon.
Sure drooling pieces of bow

bfisher
06-24-2012, 09:46 AM
Almost right Barry, Mt, Berry and Silver/black speckle.
According to the Rytera website the crimson red looks more like the red string material. Mt. Berry looks way darker. Could be me or the computer.
Pick some colors you what to see, pm me your address and I will send you some samples. Because on the rolls the colors look different then in a string.




Hutch:cool:

I was just out at the club shooting it, trying to get a 20 yard pin. Takin measurements from my other Nemisis I think I hit the draw length right on the money. This bow is also more quiet than the other one, too.

A friend arrived and looked at it. He said it looks more like a cherry red. I have to agree. Metallic cherry. A few years back I had a ShadowCat Nitrous X and had Mt. Berry and Silver strings and cables on it, compliments of Bucknasty on AT. I thought that combination was kind of BLAH. It just didn't stand out.

I'll post a couple pics later today So you cdifferencee differnce between the riser and red accents on the stabilizer and rest. There's marked difference.

bfisher
06-24-2012, 04:15 PM
O, here's a few pics. Some just to show the color. The others to show it with two different stabilizer setups. The sight is a cheap Exreme I threw on just to shoot it. Final sight will be either my Spot Hogg Hogg-It or an HHA 5019. I have both sights so nothing new to buy. As you can see the green and black strings just don't cut it.

Arrow Splitter
06-24-2012, 05:18 PM
Very nice bow Barry. There definitely is a difference in color between the bow and the stabilizer.

Just so you know, I believe the sight is a Copper John Gravedancer http://www.copperjohn.com/index.php/home/products/8. I just bought one for my sister's birthday last month, and was impressed.
http://www.copperjohn.com/images/stories/Archery%20Sights%20GraveDancer%20-%20front%20view%20-%20large.gif



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Hutch~n~Son Archery
06-24-2012, 05:40 PM
I like droppixels idea. Flame and silver/black speckle. Or Flame and black with flo orange servings or even red.

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Ehunter
06-24-2012, 07:09 PM
Great looking bow Barry. I agree, those strings have got to go. lol What about Mt. Berry with Silver/black spec, and a red pinstripe or red servings? Would match all the colors in, and might not look too bad.

bfisher
06-24-2012, 07:29 PM
Very nice bow Barry. There definitely is a difference in color between the bow and the stabilizer.

Just so you know, I believe the sight is a Copper John Gravedancer http://www.copperjohn.com/index.php/home/products/8. I just bought one for my sister's birthday last month, and was impressed.
http://www.copperjohn.com/images/stories/Archery%20Sights%20GraveDancer%20-%20front%20view%20-%20large.gif



A.S

That's the sight Brad, except min only has three pins. Th sight isn't even mine. It was part of a package that Martin sent my rep with his sample bows. I think I had about five bows and 4 of them had these sights mounted. I just threw it on the bow so I could shoot it so while I was at it I sighted it in for 20 yards. It isn't going to stay on there very long.

bfisher
06-24-2012, 07:45 PM
OK, I have my string colors all picked out. NO, I ain't saying what it is. Now I have to order the set.

Arrow Splitter
06-24-2012, 08:16 PM
OK, I have my string colors all picked out. NO, I ain't saying what it is. Now I have to order the set.I know! I know! :p:D;)

Spiker
06-25-2012, 11:01 AM
GREAT looking bow Barry.!!!

If it twas mine I'd do Black and Silver with two strands of Black Cherry clear Halo and BC center serving...

bfisher
06-25-2012, 01:48 PM
I know! I know! :p:D;)

Thanks Spiker. Brad, you better keep your trap shut. Don't make me take a trip up your way to kick your butt. I printed out the forms your dad sent me. Have to double check my measurements and then send them via slow mail. Probably tomorrow.

I just got back from the club---again. I shot both bows and this new one shoots differently, for sure---in a better way. The a2a is only
1/16" longer and the draw length seems shorter, bu more solid. Thee must be the slightest difference in the draw stop setting. The back wall is more solid so I'm betting the draw stop is set a touch too long on the older bow. I borrowed a chronograph, but it needs a battery so I'll be posting speeds when I get them.

daiwateampenn
06-27-2012, 04:02 AM
the red is dark.

but still looks good.

Maybe under the sun when shooting outdoor, the bow will looks bright.

If its bright in color, then you need pair of sunglasses while shooting outdoor.

hahaha

bfisher
06-27-2012, 08:00 PM
Don't want or need sunglasses. I wouldn't be able to see anything. I can't even see through my peep with my regular glasses. I get images of two pins and don't know which one to use for aiming. Besides, when I'm standing at full draw all I see is the pin and the target beyond that. I don't see my peep or the bow at all.

Double S
06-27-2012, 09:57 PM
The bow looks great Barry.

Z-MAN
07-08-2012, 12:40 PM
First nice looking bow next do you get a left tear when shooting through paper standing back about 5-6 yrds? I did with my Alien Z that's why the question. Anyway shoot your best!

bfisher
07-08-2012, 08:25 PM
First nice looking bow next do you get a left tear when shooting through paper standing back about 5-6 yrds? I did with my Alien Z that's why the question. Anyway shoot your best!

OK, I can give some explanation as to what I've run into trying to bare shaft tune all my Rytera bows, but first let me tell you that paper tuning should not be done at 5-6 yards. It should be done at various distances beginning at about 3-4'.

I'll try to explain things as I go along, because I rarey paper tune. I bare shaft tune if at all possible. The last couple years I've adhered to arrow charts and computer programs to pick my arrows and compnents and found that they don't work for me. I ave an 2010 Alien Z, a 2011 Nemisis and now a 2012 Nemisis.

Tried bare shaft tuning all of them the last couple years to no avail. I have shot draw weights from 42# up to 50#and 26.5 to 27" draw. Arrows included Gold Tip Ultralites in 600 (45 to 80 gr target tips), 500 with 80 gr tips, 400 with 80 gr tips, and 22 Series (300 spine) with 80 gr tips and 125 gr screw in points. Moving rest as much as 1/4" outside center to 1/4" inside center.

Just like paper tuning I started close (6') and worked my way back to 15 yards. No matter what shafts or adjustments I made they always planed 6" to 8" right at 15 yards, which is the same as showing a left tear in paper. Once shot a 600 shaft at 20 yards and between 15 and 20 yards it took a hard right turn, missed to Morrell Range bag and headed for parts unknown. Frustrated I gave up on bare shafting and just set them up to shoot and shoot them I did.

Now along comes this red riser monster and it feels different so I thought I'd give it a go again. Pretty much the same results as th last couple years. This time I started thinking outside the bow and do something radical. I tried a UL-600, 27" long and put in an insert and 100 gr screw-in point. Ah-ha the eqivalent of 115gr up front and the shaft looked better. Cranked the bow from 44.5# to 47# and it got even better. Just for sh**s and giggles I screwed in a 125 gr point, the eqivalent of a 140gr target point. That arrow flew like a dart. Almost perfectly stright with the fletched shafts and the same point of impact.

That's when I quit. I think that alittle more experimenting would show that this would be a perfect combination at about 48#. The truth is I do not desire to shoot that much weight, and to maintain some speed I do not want to shoot that heavy of a point. At leas I now have a handle on what's happening and what to do about it. If I want perfect flight I'll have to get arrows with about a 700 spine, maybe even 800 and play with point and bow weight.

Now let me clarify that these are all target/3D bows so penetration for killing is not an issue. I don't hunt any more. In fact, having left my ego a few hundred thousand shots ago I figure the less penetration I get the better. Arrows are a whole lot easier to remove from those dreaded McKenzies.

So what's my point of this long rant? A couple things. Don't be afraid to think differently and do something drastic to see what happens. At least you'll be able to see if something off the wall works. The other is that some people say bare shafting is worthless. It's not. You can shoot bare shafts through paper and the results will be very similar to fletched shafts. If you don't use paper then a bare shaft will act the same as shootin through paper, but you haveto understand that a shaft that makes a left tear through paper will normally plane right at further distances. And if your form is off you'll find that out pretty quick, too.

Barry

daiwateampenn
07-09-2012, 11:33 PM
i did when for bareshaft tuning last 2 days of the weekend.
as i got my new arrow, and rest. before fletching the arrows. i did try to shoot the bareshaft.

although i manage to get the rest move to the center for the arrow to fly straight at 5 yards. But to 10 yard and 15 yards, the arrow is planing to the left.

perhaps as wat Bfisher said. try something drastic. will take your advice to try on some heavier FP see wat is the outcome like.