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JasePohl
08-13-2012, 12:21 PM
just as the title implies. i have a silencer. and it works but nothing that was completely blown me away. im considering trading it for a hoyt. tell me why i should.
my silencer is loud. cams ARE sync! i dont have a string stopper on there. is a 2011. something just feels off. dont know why.
hoyt im looking at a 35 ATA 6"brace(yes i know its short!) 60-70(silencer is 45-60, bums me out) 340 fps and multiple people are exceeding that speed. tell me why i shouldnt trade. good reasons why not just "its hoyt" or stuff like that because i use to shoot for hoyt. and shot martin too. so i have no problems with either company

droppixel
08-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Do whatever you want. Add a string stopper and whiskers to the Silencer ... and it will be Silent. Do you feel more comfortable shooting 60# vs. 70#? Don't get caught up too much in the speed game, the Hoyt probably isn't going to give you that much of a noticeable difference really. If you are shooting accurately and consistent with the Silencer, why bother trading it for another bow you could potentially have the same questions about?

wscywabbit
08-13-2012, 12:51 PM
Tell you what, GIVE me your Silencer, then you won't be tempted to TRADE it on a Hoyt. :p

Seriously though, if your Silencer doesn't have a string stop on it, you need one. Since its a 2011, it came with a TRG/SOS setup, and if the the SOS is bad or missing it will be loud (I shot my Onza w/out any type of string stop, and it was extremely loud). If there's no damage from the TRG, Martin may not do a warranty exchange, but you can order the regular rod/slide and STS stop setup for it.

If you're not impressed with the speeds or performance of your 60# Silencer, remember that in order to hit the faster speeds with a lower poundage bow, you'll need to shoot lighter arrows. The difference between a 60# and a 70# shooting the same arrow is about 20 fps, so to get the faster speed out of a 60# you'll need to shoot an arrow about 25 grains lighter.

In the end however, you need to do what's right for you! :)

gravedigger
08-13-2012, 01:31 PM
if the martin is just not for you and you are not happy with it and would feel better with a hoyt then trade away.you have to go with what ever is best for you.

B4L Okie
08-13-2012, 07:42 PM
K, I'll try and talk u out...ARE U FRIKKIN CRAZY? Just kiddin, but unless ur a young strong kid that
60lb gonna be plenty fast and ur shoulders will thank u later on in life. I have a pantera at 58 lb and on a cooollld morning its still easy to pull back. But I am 53 and 70 lb just to much in a hunting situation

Speedykills
08-13-2012, 09:04 PM
just as the title implies. i have a silencer. and it works but nothing that was completely blown me away. im considering trading it for a hoyt. tell me why i should.
my silencer is loud. cams ARE sync! i dont have a string stopper on there. is a 2011. something just feels off. dont know why.
hoyt im looking at a 35 ATA 6"brace(yes i know its short!) 60-70(silencer is 45-60, bums me out) 340 fps and multiple people are exceeding that speed. tell me why i shouldnt trade. good reasons why not just "its hoyt" or stuff like that because i use to shoot for hoyt. and shot martin too. so i have no problems with either company

You just have to go with what feels better,if it's hoyt then so be it.........Just remember that martin has great customer service.....that goes a long ways..

deserthuntr
08-14-2012, 04:13 AM
Hi JP. I'll give you plenty of reasons why you shouldn't trade your Martin for a Hoyt. I've been shooting Hoyt for the last 9 years and this year was the first year that I purchased a non-Hoyt bow, an Onza 3. I assume you are looking at the Vector Turbo? It is a very nice bow. But the RKT cams are harsh to draw even though they are very fast. I chose the Onza 3 over the Vector 32 this year because Martin has a better draw and back wall with the nitro cams than Hoyt has with their cam and a half system. And the speed out of the Martins are decent enough for any animal or tournament. I had a total pass-through on a Kudu bulla and an eland about 3 weeks ago with the Onza! I will also choose the Cougar FC above the Vector Turbo.

Do what is best for you, I'm sure you will be able to silence your Silencer with a string stop and cat whiskers as mentioned previously. But do what is best for you, these are just my opinions.

WestMichiganBowhunter
08-14-2012, 07:07 AM
hey do what you want......have you even shot this hoyt....? the draw will be harsher...and customer service won't even compare to Martin's...........not even close bro!

Like others have said 60lbs is plenty fast
get a sts system on it if you want it quieter. there's cheap ways to make your silencer better.
you could just sell it and get a Martin Onza.

I won't lie the hoyt is a nice bow, but there are some draw backs with hoyt......

good luck.

Arrow Splitter
08-14-2012, 07:37 AM
I agree with the others. Put an STS and whiskers on it, and you shouldn't hear from it again.:cool: If you really like the Hoyt and have shot it, then go for it. I'd try the whiskers and STS first though.;)

A.S

bricka
08-14-2012, 07:42 AM
just as the title implies. i have a silencer. and it works but nothing that was completely blown me away. im considering trading it for a hoyt. tell me why i should.
my silencer is loud. cams ARE sync! i dont have a string stopper on there. is a 2011. something just feels off. dont know why.
hoyt im looking at a 35 ATA 6"brace(yes i know its short!) 60-70(silencer is 45-60, bums me out) 340 fps and multiple people are exceeding that speed. tell me why i shouldnt trade. good reasons why not just "its hoyt" or stuff like that because i use to shoot for hoyt. and shot martin too. so i have no problems with either company

You can trade your bow multiple times the fact is if you use it for hunting, its all about shot placement and being comfortable with the bow you are shooting. I personal have a silencer 70# basically the way they tested them and I am blown away. I came from an old Martin Cougar so it was a day and night change for me.

Phantonza
08-14-2012, 09:04 AM
Many good points above.

I recently changed my Hoyt CRX 32 to Martin Onza 3 so I may have something to say :) I just hated the fuel cams of Hoyt - and if the one you are looking for has RKT cams, they are not much different: even though the cams are smooth otherwise, the transition to let-off is abrupt, thus it is hard to draw smoothly all the way back. And if you relax just a little and let it creep just a little bit in full draw, the cams roll over without warning. I have seen several accidential shots because of this (including myself). The danger is especially high when hunting or training for hunting, when you often cannot use the basic posture for shooting. I thought I would get used to Hoyts cams but after 4 months I gave up. And I have seen guys with years of ownership to struggle with them still.

I can't understand why Hoyt brings basically the same cam system to the market year after year, without making significant improvements. XTR, Fuel or RKT cams - there really is no difference. Onza 3 makes me smile every time I shoot it - with Nitro cams, it is a pleasure to draw and shoot and it is STABLE in full draw - even if you relax a little. I would never change it back to the Hoyt I had.

My Onza 3 was relatively loud (cams in sync) but installing slipjax to the strings made a huge difference (I even measured it with a dB meter). It is still somewhat louder than Hoyt CRX, but no longer matters to me.

Many new Hoyts are difficult to tune for broadheads. Tuning involves working with cable yokes - the bow may not respond to tuning the arrow rest location sideways. Same is true for some Bowtechs such as Invasion CPXL. No such problem with Onza 3, which obeys traditional tuning methods.

So I have no experience about Silencer, but if you are serious about Hoyt, you should at least carefully test one before purchase.

Double S
08-14-2012, 12:12 PM
It's simple...Shoot both and keep the one you like to shoot and feels right. :cool:

mudpig
08-22-2012, 01:59 PM
I've got two of them and both are extremely quiet, but then they have the string stop and whiskers on them as previously mentioned. As for speed...both bows are pretty darned fast (almost 300fps with 440gr arrows)...and Martin customer service is unbeatable! Just my two cents.

droppixel
08-22-2012, 02:33 PM
I've got two of them and both are extremely quiet, but then they have the string stop and whiskers on them as previously mentioned. As for speed...both bows are pretty darned fast (almost 300fps with 440gr arrows)...and Martin customer service is unbeatable! Just my two cents.

Pretty sweet to see almost 300 with 440gr - what are you getting out of your 60#er?

jnordwell
08-22-2012, 05:34 PM
hey do what you want......have you even shot this hoyt....? the draw will be harsher...and customer service won't even compare to Martin's...........not even close bro!


Maybe so but the hoyt I owned never needed to call cs about anything with it. My martin/rytera has been to the factory4+ times in a 1yr....

SJunior
08-22-2012, 08:19 PM
Maybe so but the hoyt I owned never needed to call cs about anything with it. My martin/rytera has been to the factory4+ times in a 1yr....

Every time I see a post saying someone has so many sets of limbs or whatever makes me wonder what that person or the bow tech that does the work is doing wrong.

SJunior
08-22-2012, 08:24 PM
To the OP, I have a Silencer that is dead in the hand and quiet. Spend a little money for a STS, it will make a huge difference. Better than spending a lot on another bow you might not like.

WildWilt15
08-22-2012, 10:22 PM
Every time I see a post saying someone has so many sets of limbs or whatever makes me wonder what that person or the bow tech that does the work is doing wrong.

I take great care of my bows and ive had my onza for 3 months and already need new limbs. Im giving it a second chance but if i have to send it in again for limbs issues it might find a new home. its not that its a bad bow i love it, never shot a more accurate/forgiving bow but its not worth the trouble if everytime im gonna finally get it broke in it has to go back to the factory. My dads onza had cracks in the limbs in the exact same spot i did, ive now seen multiple cases of bad power tough limbs the issue should be attended to quickly.

mudpig
08-23-2012, 04:46 AM
Pretty sweet to see almost 300 with 440gr - what are you getting out of your 60#er?

Speed on 60# bow is nearly the same, but shooting 380gr arrows instead.

droppixel
08-23-2012, 08:28 AM
Speed on 60# bow is nearly the same, but shooting 380gr arrows instead.

Very nice ... I'm running around 375gr out of my Bengal at 60-64# ... I know I can get some more juice out of it, but know I will eventually be looking for a bow with the Nitro/Hybrix cams. Silencer is one that I had gave a good look at prior to picking up the Alien I had before the Bengal arrived.

Phantonza
08-24-2012, 01:08 AM
My dads onza had cracks in the limbs in the exact same spot i did, ive now seen multiple cases of bad power tough limbs the issue should be attended to quickly.

Sorry to hear that (as an Onza 3 owner). Could you describe where's the spot?

WildWilt15
08-25-2012, 02:30 PM
Sorry to hear that (as an Onza 3 owner). Could you describe where's the spot?

Id take a picture but i already sent it in. but right around where you would put a limbsaver it is very hard to detect if your limbs are under load once you release the pressure on the limbs its plain as day just freguently run your nail across that part of your limb.