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Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-14-2012, 02:47 PM
Hey everyone, sorry I haven't been posting lately. I have been bombed with string orders. But I also took the time to set my bow up with some new treads for hunting. I also did some super tuning yeah baby. Here is a pic of the old set up. The bow set up this way would only do 264 fps.
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Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-14-2012, 02:56 PM
Here is the bow with some changes. Colors are Mt.Berry and Metallic bronze.
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Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-14-2012, 03:02 PM
The changes are no idler serving, speed nocks, 22 strand string and smaller cat whiskers.

Before Cat whiskers
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After cat whiskers.
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Not bad for a shorty!:p





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Thermodude
08-14-2012, 05:47 PM
That's what I'm talkin bout !!

TEN RING
08-14-2012, 06:48 PM
Thats a nice pick up in speed, did you figure out how many grains you took of the string?

Speedykills
08-14-2012, 06:56 PM
Wow thats looks nice and some good speeds..........Ive got the speed itch also sent my bengal back to dicks,will be looking for some more speed......

droppixel
08-14-2012, 07:00 PM
Ok ... Mr. Lefty ... you will be receiving a PM :)

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-14-2012, 07:05 PM
Hey dp, does your Bengal have idler serving?






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Ehunter
08-14-2012, 08:20 PM
Looks great Hutch. Love the colors. Glad to hear you picked up some speed as well. That's a heck of a jump! I noticed the strings you made for my Warthog seem to be faster as well. Now if I can just get everything back and put together, I'll be a happy camper. lol

bfisher
08-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Good tuning and a few changes can do wonders for speed. I'm glad to hear your string business is doing well. With the quality of the ones you did for me I can see a booming business.

droppixel
08-14-2012, 09:45 PM
Hey dp, does your Bengal have idler serving?
Hutch:cool:

It does ...

typically8
08-14-2012, 10:03 PM
Questions: why do the manufacturers put so much serving on if it will can gain 20fps w/out it?
Second question: other then the obvious signs of wear/tear, when should a string be replaced?
Also, cool string!

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 03:59 AM
Questions: why do the manufacturers put so much serving on if it will can gain 20fps w/out it?
Second question: other then the obvious signs of wear/tear, when should a string be replaced?
Also, cool string!
Most strings are manufactured. Servings are left long to accommodate variances in the bow. Gaining 20fps out of the bow is not all done by removal of servings. I gained approx. 12fps just by adjusting the servings and removing the idler servings. Also I installed speed nocks. That actually made a great difference. The I tuned it by advancing the cam slightly. All of that works together. Oh also the string is only 22 strand. In other words 1fps hear and there adds up.




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bfisher
08-15-2012, 07:10 AM
Hutch, that's something that a lot of guys don't understand. They think a change that only amounts to 2 or 3 fps isn't worth the hassle, and I do agree, but with several changes the cumulative effect can be much greater. I've tuned a lot of bows over the years, mine and others and in almost all cases I can take an average hunting rig and get 20 to 30 fps more speed out of them by paying attention to every detail.

Now some guys say they aren't into the speed thing and that's fine for them, but I always figure if you're going to spend the money to get a newer faster bow then why not take the time to get the full potential out of it.

And another thing. The clock showing our posting times is off 25 minutes ---- again.

droppixel
08-15-2012, 08:54 AM
Gotta say this has me inspired to tinker with mine even more. I'm pretty sure there should be some gains to be made on the 2012 ...

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 11:39 AM
Gotta say this has me inspired to tinker with mine even more. I'm pretty sure there should be some gains to be made on the 2012 ...
Well dp, look at it this way. My bow is Ibo rated to do 315 to 320 fps. I think it should be able to do at least 290 fps. With my heavier arrows that is one reason it shot slower. Now arrows are just one thing. Image going down the list and fixing everything. That is called super tuning or advance tuning most don't do it.


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droppixel
08-15-2012, 11:46 AM
Well dp, look at it this way. My bow is Ibo rated to do 315 to 320 fps. I think it should be able to do at least 290 fps. With my heavier arrows that is one reason it shot slower. Now arrows are just one thing. Image going down the list and fixing everything. That is called super tuning or advance tuning most don't do it.


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What is ur draw weight/length, arrow weight? I feel the same about the FXT - think it should be in the 290-300 range based on other reports I have seen in other threads. Still a lot to be learned about this cam and how it likes to be set up. I think figuring out the proper rotation advanced/retarded will be a big thing for these. I'll get around to it all eventually. Probably after this season when I'll be able to pick up a chrono or build on of the coils ... might be able to squeeze it in before the season, but it might be too close to start really playing with things. I think the new string is going to be the first start though.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 12:01 PM
Here is what I did.
1. built a new string with the least amount of serving I could get away with and be safe. (no idler serving)
2. built the string 22 strands and not 24
3. Adjusted the bow to the correct specs
a. Axle to axle @ first dead on the correct spec. Then re-corrected after all the other specs were done.
b. Brace Height. dead on.
c. Draw weight. was off so I corrected the Axle to axle and put it a tad short.
d. Draw length. Correct
e. Check the draw to see the valley and the forward motion. Twisted the cable to the cam and rotated the cam forward.
f. attached 1 speed nock and shot through the chrono. Added more speed nocks after finding the place for gain of speed.
g. attached Cat Whiskers in a smaller form to not take away too much speed I gained.


Something to think about!! if you gain 3fps here and 2fps there you have already gained 5 do that 2 more times and its 10fps which can make a big difference.

If I add a drop away I will gain even more speed. :rolleyes:

I think I got the speed bug.


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Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 12:07 PM
What is ur draw weight/length, arrow weight? I feel the same about the FXT - think it should be in the 290-300 range based on other reports I have seen in other threads. Still a lot to be learned about this cam and how it likes to be set up. I think figuring out the proper rotation advanced/retarded will be a big thing for these. I'll get around to it all eventually. Probably after this season when I'll be able to pick up a chrono or build on of the coils ... might be able to squeeze it in before the season, but it might be too close to start really playing with things. I think the new string is going to be the first start though.
Unless you have unlimited time I'd wait. It takes some time. I have a very short draw 27" my arrows are close to 390 grains. The bow was done at max pounds 71lbs. This I believe is the best way to do it. Then turn down the dw.





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droppixel
08-15-2012, 12:54 PM
Unless you have unlimited time I'd wait. It takes some time. I have a very short draw 27" my arrows are close to 390 grains. The bow was done at max pounds 71lbs. This I believe is the best way to do it. Then turn down the dw.





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Yeah this will probably have to be for after this season. I just punched in the numbers on the "calculators" and your numbers are coming out a good bit higher than what you are getting ... so that is a plus. Seeing that my DW is less, around 64# but my DL is 30" and arrow weight is around 375-380ish I'd like to think there is definite room for improvement. Really good post and exciting stuff here!

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 01:21 PM
Yeah this will probably have to be for after this season. I just punched in the numbers on the "calculators" and your numbers are coming out a good bit higher than what you are getting ... so that is a plus. Seeing that my DW is less, around 64# but my DL is 30" and arrow weight is around 375-380ish I'd like to think there is definite room for improvement. Really good post and exciting stuff here!
A tweak here and there and you will be surprised.




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bfisher
08-15-2012, 05:07 PM
A tweak here and there and you will be surprised.




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Yeah Hutch, but you shoot left handed so everything is going to be a bit slower than normal. LOL.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 05:19 PM
Not at 284fps!! or at least for me it isn't slow LOL!
Just goes to show you Barry my bow had be so out of tune and needed tender loving care. Bout time I stopped building everyone else's string sets and spoiled Mr. Lefty.





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Speedykills
08-15-2012, 07:17 PM
Thats some fast speed,i still remember my xforce gx6 hitting 315fps at 60#,,thats fast......................

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-15-2012, 07:26 PM
Thats some fast speed,i still remember my xforce gx6 hitting 315fps at 60#,,thats fast......................
Don't think I can get my bow to its ibo 315 to 320fps. I think for my dw and length that is it. But I bet Speedy that xforce was fast 315fps is just right for shooting. Just think some are 345fps insane



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Speedykills
08-15-2012, 08:31 PM
Don't think I can get my bow to its ibo 315 to 320fps. I think for my dw and length that is it. But I bet Speedy that xforce was fast 315fps is just right for shooting. Just think some are 345fps insane



Hutch :cool:

Ya if it wasnt for the harsh draw and tuning problems with that bow i woulda kept it..........now as soon as my firehawk gets it's warranty work done ill start messin with it.
But for a single cam you got her tuned pretty good........

Double S
08-15-2012, 10:32 PM
The strings look great Bill. I'm very happy with the strings you made for me. When my bow shop placed the strings on....he stated watch out I think those strings are gonna stretch on you. I didn't say anything back. I have over 400 shots on the bow now and i' m getting ready to Bh tune before I get ready to go out hunting in Sept. I haven't had any stretch or rotation on the strings you made me. I didn't even have to adjust my sight for anything. It's same as I had it before my bow blew. I'm at 284 fps with 371 grain arrows with a 28 inch draw at 60 pounds.

droppixel
08-16-2012, 08:47 AM
Not at 284fps!! or at least for me it isn't slow LOL!
Just goes to show you Barry my bow had be so out of tune and needed tender loving care. Bout time I stopped building everyone else's string sets and spoiled Mr. Lefty.





Hutch:cool:

Indeed the 284 I think is really impressive for the 315-320 rating. Now if I can pick up some extra out of mine (320-330) following Bill's lead I'll be tickled to death. Might be able to do some of the smaller stuff minus the new threads now and see where that take me.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-17-2012, 08:33 PM
I'm ready really ready!!!
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Now tune the broad heads!!!




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typically8
08-17-2012, 09:55 PM
Ok guys, question 3: so if the Onza comes w/ speed nocks (which I am assuming is under the rubber sleeve) should I still add some?

Hutch~n~Son Archery
08-17-2012, 09:59 PM
Ok guys, question 3: so if the Onza comes w/ speed nocks (which I am assuming is under the rubber sleeve) should I still add some?Typically typically8 they set speed nocks with a chrono. Once the find out the location and how many nocks.That is it. I found that no more then 2 would work well for me. Some up to 9. But most of all you need to have a chrono to play around.


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