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JP9301
08-26-2012, 12:00 PM
Hey guys, I was wondering if those of you who have bought either of these bows could give me some updated reviews. I have a 2001 Martin Panther and after shooting both the Bengal and Pantera there is no comparison to these newer bows. I'm stuck between the two and was hoping you all could help me with my decision. Thanks JP

Thermodude
08-26-2012, 12:22 PM
Well Ive got the Pantera, I bought this bow to shoot 3D with and its done very well. Its a very accurate bow and is very forgiving also. Im going to be honest in saying that Im a little dissapointed with the Fury XT cam just from a performance stance but the bow shoots very well. This winter Im going to really super tune it and see just what its capable of! Ive never shot the Bengal Pro but Ive read some good reviews about it.

droppixel
08-26-2012, 08:13 PM
Let me put it this way ... I had an Alien X - I won the Bengal ... decided to sell the Alien X

Bengal is unbelievable, it's an all around great bow in my opinion. But I agree with Thermo, there is a lot to be learned abou the Fury XT cam yet. It is still very new and don't think there have been many that have really given the cam a good work out in the tuning department. If you were to get a Bengal, I'm confident you wouldn't be disappointed.

elkslayer4x5
08-27-2012, 08:55 AM
Go with the one that feels the best to you, if you're anywhere that you can shoot both of them. If you're like most of us on this board, you're quite a drive away from a Martin dealer. In that case lets hope more Bengal and Pantera shooters weight in. Searching the posts on this forum won't be much help, as both of those bows are discussed often. The good news is that it is 99.9% good press for both bows, but again, thats not helping. Really about all I can add is that .1% is disapointed in the speed of the newer bows, but you're shooting an 11 year old bow so they'll both seem very fast to you. Flip a coin? :D

droppixel
08-27-2012, 09:15 AM
Go with the one that feels the best to you, if you're anywhere that you can shoot both of them. If you're like most of us on this board, you're quite a drive away from a Martin dealer. In that case lets hope more Bengal and Pantera shooters weight in. Searching the posts on this forum won't be much help, as both of those bows are discussed often. The good news is that it is 99.9% good press for both bows, but again, thats not helping. Really about all I can add is that .1% is disapointed in the speed of the newer bows, but you're shooting an 11 year old bow so they'll both seem very fast to you. Flip a coin? :D

I only think this is going to be the case until a few of us really dig into what this cam can do and see exactly how it likes to be set up? I advanced mine a touch and can see how/where some of the serving wear has come at the end of the lobe. I need to build and get mine on a draw board yet to see where the optimal stopping location with the module is. A lot of this is going to be done after the season, but can say with 100% certainty they bow is shooting amazingly even as it sits. I know more speed can get gained, it's just a matter of finding out how it wants to be set up to get it.

JP9301
08-27-2012, 11:43 AM
Thank guys for the responses! I know these bows have been discussed many times on here and I'm sure it gets old responding to the same Q every day. But I do appreciate the responses. My Panther is 33" a2a so I am leaning towards the Pantera since it is a longer bow. But I felt comfortable with the Bengal also. lol I guess it's a good thing that Martin has all these great bows to choose from. Good Luck to everyone this season! JP

Tosi
08-27-2012, 02:41 PM
I own X3 Martins'. I really like all of them but will say that my Pantera can flat out shoot. Just took a nice big 2X2 at 80 yards with a Slick Trick Razor Trick and he went only 20 yards. With that the Fury Cam is a little rough on draw but nothing like some of the big three. The Nitro Cams are just sweet on draw, vibration and speed. I love my Fire Cat and it will be hunting Bull Elk next month. A lot of folks on here really speak highly of the Bengal also. droppixel is the one to listen too on the Bengal. Set up is inportant for any shooter. But all I can say is Pantera Pantera Pantera.......

elkslayer4x5
08-28-2012, 08:42 AM
Thank guys for the responses! I know these bows have been discussed many times on here and I'm sure it gets old responding to the same Q every day. But I do appreciate the responses. My Panther is 33" a2a so I am leaning towards the Pantera since it is a longer bow. But I felt comfortable with the Bengal also. lol I guess it's a good thing that Martin has all these great bows to choose from. Good Luck to everyone this season! JP

It never gets old trying to help a guy out, sometimes its just really tough to give a difinative awnser, in your case, you ask which is better between two really nice shooting bows, then it comes down to how it feels to you, the shooter. :)

bfisher
08-28-2012, 12:46 PM
I would suggest shooting them both just for feel. They both have the same cam so the draw cycle is going to be very close. The Pantera, being 3" longer, will feel a bit smoother and definitely the more consistently accurate. Longer is just more stable. Some people will argue with me, but I've been doing this too many years and find short bows more finicky than their longer counterparts. If you're taller than about 5'11" you'll probably find the string angle fits you better on the longer Pantera, too.

The Bengal might be better suited if you shoot (hunt) out of a ground blind, but for treestand hunting 3" more isn't going to make that much difference. Afterall it's only 1 1/2" on each end. Me? I'm 5'8" tall and find anything shorter than 34" just doesn't sit well with me and I personally shoot bows about 38" the best. I just can't find them in my draw length any more. Seems like everybody wants to shoot 30" and 70# these days. I have need of neither.

JP9301
08-28-2012, 06:46 PM
I would suggest shooting them both just for feel. They both have the same cam so the draw cycle is going to be very close. The Pantera, being 3" longer, will feel a bit smoother and definitely the more consistently accurate. Longer is just more stable. Some people will argue with me, but I've been doing this too many years and find short bows more finicky than their longer counterparts. If you're taller than about 5'11" you'll probably find the string angle fits you better on the longer Pantera, too.

The Bengal might be better suited if you shoot (hunt) out of a ground blind, but for treestand hunting 3" more isn't going to make that much difference. Afterall it's only 1 1/2" on each end. Me? I'm 5'8" tall and find anything shorter than 34" just doesn't sit well with me and I personally shoot bows about 38" the best. I just can't find them in my draw length any more. Seems like everybody wants to shoot 30" and 70# these days. I have need of neither.

Thanks that helped a lot! I'm 5'9" and have a short draw at 27.5". I've been leaning more towards the Pantera for the stability of a longer bow. My Panther is 33" so I don't think 1" will feel much different to me. Would you suggest one or the other knowing my DL?

bfisher
08-28-2012, 07:33 PM
Not really. I haven't had the pleasure of setting up a Pantera to see how short it draws. I have learned enough the last few years to take little stock in what the catalog shows for draw length. Most draw longer than listed and often by as much as a full inch. What I almost always do with my bows is remove about 5 twists from the cables and add 10 to 15 twists to the string. This shortens the draw length and reduces the peak weight, changing the bow's specs, but I don't worry about specs. Doing what I do makes the Hybrix/Nitro cam smoother drawing and removes the telltale hump in the draw cycle right before the roll over. Then I set the module and the draw stop, put the bow on my draw board and fine tune it for draw length. Once I have the bow just where I want it I tune and sight in. Then I measure the draw length, a2a, brace height, draw weight, and everything else. These are the specs for MY bow.

I don't play around much with single cam bows. I cut my teeth on 4 wheel bows back in the 70's. Went to 2 wheel bows in the 80's. First 2 cam bow was a Hoyt in 1989. I shot nothing but 2 cam bows (energy wheels, really) till I joined up with Golden Eagle in 1997. 2000 thru 2003 with Pearson and nothing but single cam bows. Through that time there were a lot of issues with level nock travel, which has been corrected over time for the most part. In 2004 I joined Martin's staff and had the opportunity to go back to true dual cams and jumped at it and still shoot dual or binaries. It's a personal choice thing. You can do a lot more tweaking with dual cams and I am always tweaking something----always.

Sorry for the rant. I do this a lot. Ask some of the other guys.

JP9301
08-28-2012, 08:55 PM
Not really. I haven't had the pleasure of setting up a Pantera to see how short it draws. I have learned enough the last few years to take little stock in what the catalog shows for draw length. Most draw longer than listed and often by as much as a full inch. What I almost always do with my bows is remove about 5 twists from the cables and add 10 to 15 twists to the string. This shortens the draw length and reduces the peak weight, changing the bow's specs, but I don't worry about specs. Doing what I do makes the Hybrix/Nitro cam smoother drawing and removes the telltale hump in the draw cycle right before the roll over. Then I set the module and the draw stop, put the bow on my draw board and fine tune it for draw length. Once I have the bow just where I want it I tune and sight in. Then I measure the draw length, a2a, brace height, draw weight, and everything else. These are the specs for MY bow.

I don't play around much with single cam bows. I cut my teeth on 4 wheel bows back in the 70's. Went to 2 wheel bows in the 80's. First 2 cam bow was a Hoyt in 1989. I shot nothing but 2 cam bows (energy wheels, really) till I joined up with Golden Eagle in 1997. 2000 thru 2003 with Pearson and nothing but single cam bows. Through that time there were a lot of issues with level nock travel, which has been corrected over time for the most part. In 2004 I joined Martin's staff and had the opportunity to go back to true dual cams and jumped at it and still shoot dual or binaries. It's a personal choice thing. You can do a lot more tweaking with dual cams and I am always tweaking something----always.

Sorry for the rant. I do this a lot. Ask some of the other guys.

That's ok some of the tuning is like a foreign language to me though. lol I wish I had someone to teach me how to super tune like that. I appreciate your replies!

Spiker
08-29-2012, 01:24 AM
What type of shooting do you do?
Is it practice/target shooting in the back yard and then whitetails out of a stand during season?
What draw weight bow are you shooting and looking at.?

JP9301
08-29-2012, 08:46 AM
What type of shooting do you do?
Is it practice/target shooting in the back yard and then whitetails out of a stand during season?
What draw weight bow are you shooting and looking at.?

Yes that is right,practice/target shooting, and deer from a stand. My Panther is 1 full turn out which should put me at 63/64#. I can shoot 50x before I need a break. So I would like to get a 70# bow so I have some adjustment. I can't decide if I want to try the shorter a2a on the Bengal or stick with the longer a2a of the Pantera. I like them both but shooting and having them in the field is a different story. After searching more on here and AT most who have either of these bows love them. Any suggestions or input is welcome! Thanks