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mv2martin
12-21-2012, 05:04 PM
I have an old phantom that I am trying to setup with some non stock parts. I think the bow is an 01.
The way it sets now i want to put a set of cougar se limbs (6L) and SE limb pockets. The phantom came with fuzion cam and would like to switch it out with a Vipro Cam (MPro). Does anyone know how to figure string and cable length for this project? This is just a winter project I have been working on. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-21-2012, 05:07 PM
The phantom I have in my specs goes 2000/03
Shoot 97
Buss 40


Hutch:cool:

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-21-2012, 05:20 PM
Check the thread up top
For you guys using old bows here is a link to help (http://martinarchery.com/mtechforum/showthread.php?24547-For-you-guys-using-old-bows-here-is-a-link-to-help)




Hutch:cool:

bfisher
12-21-2012, 06:49 PM
Bill, read his question more thoroughly. He wants to change to a completely different cam system. Now how much difference there would be I couldn't really say.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-21-2012, 07:04 PM
Oops! Sorry about that!




Hutch:cool:

mv2martin
12-21-2012, 08:10 PM
Thanks for the info guys! Yes different Cam and Limbs/Pockets. Is there any way to figure this out?
I didnt know if there was a formula to do this or anyone on here that has done a similar project.

bfisher
12-22-2012, 05:07 PM
Thanks for the info guys! Yes different Cam and Limbs/Pockets. Is there any way to figure this out?
I didnt know if there was a formula to do this or anyone on here that has done a similar project.

Try to PM LeEarl over on Archery Talk. He's done a lot of parts swapping and othe projects with Martin bows. Even if he hasn't done such a swap he still might have some sort of formula he goes by.

mv2martin
12-23-2012, 06:24 AM
Thanks will do

mv2martin
12-27-2012, 06:43 AM
No answer as of yet from LeEarl anyone else have any experience with this?

bfisher
12-27-2012, 08:27 AM
Try JRH60 on AT. Best thing I can tell you is to look at some newer specs (Martin website) of bows with similar ATA using the Vipro or MPro cam and see what you come up with there. Doing such a project is a lot of trial and error. If you are changing from standard limb pockets to SE you can expect quite a change in the brace height. You might even call Joel at the factory and ask.

archerx7
12-27-2012, 10:34 AM
Try the following link and see if any of the SE bows listed have a similar length riser compared to your Phantom, that will cut down on the amount of trial and error work you'll go through.

http://www.martinarchery.com/chart/2004chart/dynacam.html


If you can find one thats close, you'll be able to put everything together and put the bow in a press and press it to the correct A to A length and get your string/cable lengths measured.

mv2martin
12-27-2012, 08:04 PM
My stock Phantom has 97 and 40 string/cable. The closest I see is the Slayer SE at 98 and 40 3/4 string/cable. Im thinking the cable length would be close to the ATA?

archerx7
12-28-2012, 08:24 AM
http://www.martinarchery.com/pdf/2006Specs.pdf

The 06 cougar magnum in the above spec chart is 5/8" A-A shorter than your stock Phantom and was offered with the SE configuration, that appears to be the closest match to get you started. Use the Cougar SE A-A and string/cable specs and adjust those to get close on the Phantom. The Cougar SE was 5.5"A-A shorter than the Cougar Mag, so if your Phantom is 37.5" A-A, it should be appox. 32" A-A in the SE configuration.

mv2martin
12-28-2012, 08:31 AM
Ok that makes sense, should I then press it to the 32" to measure for my string/cable?

archerx7
12-28-2012, 09:51 AM
32" would be an appox. starting point, if it looks like you've got too much preload on the limbs, back it off an inch and see what it looks like. Once you get the limb preload to where it looks close then measure for the strings. I keep a spool of inexpensive string material on hand to make up the initial trial set, and don't even bother with the end servings untill I'm happy with the specs on the bow, DW, DL, A2A, brace height, etc.., then I'll make up my 1st good set, usually just a single color with all the servings in place so I can shoot the bow and make whatever minor adjustments to the lengths to get everything fine tuned before making my final good set.

mv2martin
12-28-2012, 11:17 AM
I have another SE bow. Its a cougar with dyna cams. Could icompare preload with that to getme close or am i thinking wrong. To measure for the sting and cable what do you usually do?

archerx7
12-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Having the Cougar SE on hand is ideal, you should easily be able to compare preload and get the Phantom very close to spec with the 1st try. To get the string/cable measurements, I use a length of serving with a loop on one end to slip over the cam peg and will hold the cam in place using a binder clip or something similar, then route the serving thread around the cam/idler just as you would when putting a string on then mark the serving thread, remove it and take your measurement, repeat for the cable.

mv2martin
12-28-2012, 02:56 PM
Ok thanks for the help will let you know how it go's

mv2martin
01-01-2013, 04:50 PM
Got my string/cable finished today and the bow put together shoots really well. Specs are a little crazy, ATA is 28.5!! Brace H is an amazing and forgiving 9". This bow looks a little odd, but actually is a sweet little bow. Thanks for all of the help guys!! Will post some finished pics soon.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-01-2013, 04:58 PM
Cool! gotta see it! Pics a must!









Hutch:cool:

mv2martin
01-04-2013, 02:06 PM
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mv2martin
01-04-2013, 08:53 PM
Sorry first pic isnt real clear!! OD Green w/camo limbs. Yellow and silver string/cable

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2013, 05:34 AM
Looks like a cool bow how does it shoot?





Hutch:cool:

mv2martin
01-05-2013, 05:14 PM
Doent shoot too bad at all. Little hand vibration, but nice smooth pull. Would be a nice bow for fishin or blind huntin!!

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-06-2013, 06:36 AM
Sounds like frank-en bow is alive!



Hutch:cool:

Mike G
01-06-2013, 07:01 AM
It would be interesting to know what type of speed you are getting with it.

What poundage are you pulling?

Mike G

bfisher
01-06-2013, 01:01 PM
It would be interesting to know what type of speed you are getting with it.

What poundage are you pulling?

Mike G

Agreed. You realluy do need to list the specs and list the strin/cable lengths needed to make this thing work.

mv2martin
05-29-2013, 06:41 PM
Set this up and never really did anything with it. Looking to sell if anyone is interested. Would sell for $200 tyd

Arrow Splitter
05-29-2013, 07:19 PM
You should consider posting it in the classifieds on here and on AT for more exposure and hopefully a faster sale.

A.S