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Ankhdad
03-28-2013, 06:51 PM
I have a homemade pvc stabilizer which is weighing in around 5 ozs. I thought it was working fine, groups had tightened up with a few still having a 'mind of their own'. A friend offered me to try his extra "real one", when I picked it up, I swear it must have been close to a pound, maybe even more. He wasn't really sure of the weight as it was bought used. It was 8", same as mine.
I was surprised I didn't noticed the extra weight at full draw, which I was able to hold for over 30 sec, with almost no wobble.
Shot 6 arrows...killed 4 vanes, and almost a Robin Hood.
Shot another 6....close to the same thing!??

What's my point you ask...can you have too much/little weight when it comes to a stabilizer? Or is it more personal preference?

Thanks, Keith

Arrow Splitter
03-28-2013, 06:59 PM
Here's an idea of what the "real" ones weigh: link-->http://www.beestinger.com/archery-stabilizer-product-details.php?mf=1000
I believe the determination of stabilizer weight includes what bow you are shooting, but also a lot of personal preference.

A.S

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-28-2013, 07:03 PM
Basically a stabilizer is just that it stabilizes your bow when you are at full draw and draws the bow forward when you shoot. Too little weight and to short don't produce a stable shot. Hunters don't concern themselves because its a close up shot. The longer the stabilizer with weight on the end it will help you stay steady.


Hutch:cool:

Ankhdad
03-28-2013, 07:27 PM
Here's an idea of what the "real" ones weigh: link-->http://www.beestinger.com/archery-stabilizer-product-details.php?mf=1000
I believe the determination of stabilizer weight includes what bow you are shooting, but also a lot of personal preference.

A.S

Yes AS, I've seen those, plus the Pro Hunter. 8" weighted down can be over a pound (+20 oz).
I like my homemade one-some guy on here put up a great how to video...-so I'm wondering if maybe a little tinkering on my part with a longer carriage bolt and maybe some washers might be worth my time.
I was just surprised at the effect the extra weight made for me. Not sure if my shoulder will agree over time, but I think it's worth a look.

Arrow Splitter
03-28-2013, 07:32 PM
Yes AS, I've seen those, plus the Pro Hunter. 8" weighted down can be over a pound (+20 oz).
I like my homemade one-some guy on here put up a great how to video...-so I'm wondering if maybe a little tinkering on my part with a longer carriage bolt and maybe some washers might be worth my time.
I was just surprised at the effect the extra weight made for me. Not sure if my shoulder will agree over time, but I think it's worth a look.
Thanks for the compliment. I agree with you: experimenting with the weight probably will pay off. I haven't (my 8" comes in 4.39 oz.) but it's a good idea.

A.S

Sonny Thomas
03-28-2013, 09:02 PM
I used the 8" NAP Shock Blocker for years and as worked great. It weighs 11 ounces. Not that far from a pound.

elkslayer4x5
03-29-2013, 08:56 AM
I used the 8" NAP Shock Blocker for years and as worked great. It weighs 11 ounces. Not that far from a pound.


I have a homemade pvc stabilizer which is weighing in around 5 ozs. Thanks, Keith

You'd be right at one pound if you added Keith's homemade pvc stabbie. :) Might look a bit odd however.:D

Ankhdad
04-05-2013, 06:18 PM
I was going to let this one fade off, but I tried my friends again and what a difference. Managed to weigh it, 13.5 oz.
So...I set off to build one of my own. I used 1/2" pvc this time, I think it looks better-no other reason, because it's all about looks...lol. Weighted it down with a carriage bolt, 6 washers, and a nut=13.1oz. Nothing else inside, no rubber, cork etc...
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this next photo is with no stabilizer, holding for 30 secs at full draw, 18yrds (sorry for the glare, was getting dark out and I used the flash)
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same again, BUT WITH the new stabilizer I just made
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I can't get over this!
It's drying after being painted neon green-to match the strings, and I will never leave home without it!!

Arrow Splitter
04-05-2013, 07:05 PM
Now that's cool. I might have to play with the weight of mine now. LOL

A.S

macflash
04-05-2013, 07:31 PM
Really glad you started this!!, it was going to be my next question for everyone,
the groups are unbelievably different
I have a Cobra folding on mine and it's pretty heavy, and if not tight will cause part of my noises I heard ( different post), was thinking about going to a different, lighter, shock absorbing one.
Now I need to study my shots some more, not sure if it's just too heavy on the front ?, I think I'll try shooting without it to see what happens
Mac

Sonny Thomas
04-06-2013, 08:39 AM
Well, I said before, the Martin gave the new Bengal the good looks it deserved.

Ankhdad
04-06-2013, 10:20 AM
Really glad you started this!!, it was going to be my next question for everyone,
the groups are unbelievably different
I have a Cobra folding on mine and it's pretty heavy, and if not tight will cause part of my noises I heard ( different post), was thinking about going to a different, lighter, shock absorbing one.
Now I need to study my shots some more, not sure if it's just too heavy on the front ?, I think I'll try shooting without it to see what happens
Mac

Weight was my first concern. I've seen a few at the shop and a couple at the club and they all had nothing to them, very light and used mostly for vibration. I thought about getting one of those 5ft long ones like I've seen on line, but that seemed overkill.
The first one I made was using AS's tutorial and I thought was working great...until...I added more weight.
Again...I'm blown away by the difference.

Sonny Thomas
04-06-2013, 02:05 PM
A bit of insight;
X weight is good, but not overly heavy. X weight distributed properly is better.

Basically, you want just enough forward weight so the bow tilts forward at the top with the shot and it doesn't have to be radical...just a descent tilt.

Perhaps a suggestion; Side weight on the left side. Hang bow by the bow string from leveled "J" hooks. Bow will cast to the left. Add just enough weight to counteract the left cast. With you slightly long stabilizer you should seen the lean pretty easily.

The heaviest hunting stabilizer I have is that I mentioned, my NAP Shock Blocker at 11 oz. My next heaviest is a solid Hoyt Vexor at 10 1/2 oz. Others are kind of short, all steel, 8 and 6 oz.

My target stabilier is a 30" Cartel weighing in at 7 oz which includes a all steel quick disconnect coupling and a large Max Jax. Of course the coupling and the Max Jax weigh some, but the coupling is close to the bow and perhaps gives more downward weight than weight forward. The Max Jax is right at 3" back of the end and adds 1 oz forward. The only weight of the Cartel is it's end cap at 1 1/2 oz. So weight way forward gives more tilt than a super heavy stabilizer close up. Too much weight way out can be against all that is good. Any wobble input to the bow can make the out front heavy long stablizer amplify wobble, shake.
Okay, the long Cartel works and works well on my Martin Shadowcat and Pearson MarXman. Both of these bows have scored 300 on the NFAA 20 yard 5 Spot from 30 yards and collected a bunch of Xs doing it.

That which effects good shooting is more atune to the shooter than a stabilizer. One of the worst ever bows I owned was a Darton Yukon, one of Darton's better kept secrets. The Yukon was one the fastest short bows to come out at the time and startling accurate. BUT! It kicked like a young mule. All I wanted was the kick, recoil gone. Back then our local archery shop, a box store, had a multitude of stabilizers. I went through every one of them (I knew the archery division's employee). Only one tamed the Yukon. It's $110 price tag scared me! So, later I fitted the Yukon with a heavy steel, 5 inch stabilizer that cost way less and worked like a charm. I think some one gave it to me. Owner still has that bow and loves it. Understand, the heavy stabilizer was to tame the kick, not give accuracy.

macflash
04-06-2013, 09:57 PM
A bit of insight;
X weight is good, but not overly heavy. X weight distributed properly is better..............
Understand, the heavy stabilizer was to tame the kick, not give accuracy.

Thanks Sonny,
I'm wondering if anyone has shot an older Firecat, i wouldn't think that Martin of any would need the block of steel on the front for kick, just a little vibe dampener, she shoots smooth with it, been pouring here so I haven't tried without it, been working on noise issues ( another Thread). will let you guys know when I do
Mac