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CaptJJ
04-18-2013, 04:04 PM
I like 1 piece wood recurves, grew up shooting them. Starting to shoot my Martin recurves after a year of (re)learning form on a vintage(1968, same year I was born) Bear Tartar, 28# @ 28"; this bow is in great shape and was pefect to learn on. Next bow I wanted to use is a 2009/10 Martin X-200, 40# @ 28", I had started trying to tune this bow last summer but stopped because every arrow was showing weak and I wanted to make sure it wasn't me; kept shooting the light bow. I added a fastflight string for a little more speed and low stretch; shooting off the shelf with a calf hair rest, split fingers with a tab.

Hadn't shot much the last couple months because I had been shooting my compound to get ready for a turkey trip, but when I shot the light bow really well I decided to try the 40#er. Tried the different aluminums I had and they shot OK but the are shaftes were still weak, even the 1916s(.600 spine) that were "supposed" to be right. I wanted to use carbons anyway and had some CX Heritage 150s(.500), full length they were weak with a 100 grain tip; started cutting them down and they improved. Still had some fishtailing and did some research, nock point was probably too low, raised it to 3/4" and things really improved. Decided to stop at 30", 2 1/2" cut off; I was getting the bare shaft to fly straight, still weak at times; still can cut up to an 1" more off. Fletched up some shafts with 5" shield cut feathers; arrows weigh in at about 430 grains, should be enough to kill a turkey. Next bow to set up will be a 45# Martin Hunter.

First group at 10 yds, really like how this shoots right where I point it:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A0563_zpsc84fdab5.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/100_1672.jpg

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CaptJJ
04-25-2013, 01:04 PM
Made a couple changes with the X-200. First, I went from 100 to 125 grain points for a little more FOC and weight; arrows are now 455 grains and hit the target with a thump. Have some 125 Magnus Buzzcuts coming to see how the shoot. Secondly, started working on quieting the bow down for hunting; added Bowjax to the string which really helped. Just need to add some calf hair strips betwen the limbs and string and should be good.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A0580_zps508f3de3.jpg

Nice group with a bare shaft:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A0568_zpse1f1a370.jpg

Unwrapped the 45# Hunter and strung it up, looks great. Will get a FF string and set it up over the summer, hoping it will shoot the same Heriatge 150s.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A0570_zps2d8e7cd4.jpg

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A0574_zps482b7701.jpg

DeanRM
04-26-2013, 08:14 AM
You should be able to notice an upgrade in shooting your Hunter, espically if you have a longer draw length as it will not stack past 28" like the X-200's do. If you are looking to quiet the bow, you might want to try Beaver Balls on the string. In my experiance, they are much more effective than the Bow Jax's. You can also make some out of wool yarn, they work good also.

Nice looking bows!!!

Your shooting looks Awesome...great job!!!

CaptJJ
05-13-2013, 10:32 AM
Been shooting single arrows a lot lately to simulate hunting sitiuaitons, but I still shoot some groups. Released my last arrow the other day and heard the crack and saw pieces of nock go flying. I was only form 10 yds or so, but my first robin hood with a recurve.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A0756_zpse4344f14.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A0761_zpsf169fdfd.jpg

CaptJJ
05-13-2013, 10:41 AM
You should be able to notice an upgrade in shooting your Hunter, espically if you have a longer draw length as it will not stack past 28" like the X-200's do. If you are looking to quiet the bow, you might want to try Beaver Balls on the string. In my experiance, they are much more effective than the Bow Jax's. You can also make some out of wool yarn, they work good also.

Nice looking bows!!!

Your shooting looks Awesome...great job!!!

Thanks Dean. Draw length is a little over 28", haven't noticed any stacking with X-200. At 60", I like it for hunting turkeys from my blind, the hunter might be too long to maneuver much. The Bowjax have this bow pretty silent.

Looking forward to shooting the Hunter. I can shoot the 40 lb X-200 for a long time without tiring now, the 45 lb Hunter shouldn't be much of a change; the draw is smooth.

elkslayer4x5
05-14-2013, 08:06 AM
Congrats on the RH, sorry about the loss of an arrow, but it tells you that your form is consistant! :)

CaptJJ
07-17-2013, 08:27 AM
After getting used to the heavier weight I went back and shot some bareshafts again, ended up cutting another 1/2" of the arrows and lowering my nocking point and the bow is tuned really good now, arrows fly to where the bow is pointed when I do my part. I am shooting the green X-200 the best right now and I would feel confident hunting with it.

Been shooting the 45# Hunter for a few weeks now, it is definitely a lot faster than the X-200 so I want to hunt with it this Fall. Have a couple custom strings(D-97) coming from Champion Bowstrings, then I need to add silencers and tune. Right now I'm shooting with the factory string and the same arrows I'm using with the 40# X-200, they are pretty close to the right spine with the lower brace height of the hunter, will probably have to cut them a little with the new string which should be a little faster.

Now I'm thinking about a 45# Mamba for turkeys from the blind.:cool:

CaptJJ
08-18-2013, 07:16 PM
Got the new strings in, added some calf hair strips to the string grooves and strung one up on the 45# Hunter, what a difference. Much quieter, great nock fit and I am shooting the bow really well now that I am used to the heavier weight. Shooting the same CX Heritage 150 as the 40# X-200 and getting pretty good flight with the bareshafts, still need to do some fine tuning. Playing with nock height now; the arrows are slightly weak, went from 125 grain tips to 100 and they showed a little stiff. I'm figuring that once I add some string silencers(have some muskox wool yarn) I should be good, if not maybe take 1/4-1/2" off the arrows.

Looking forward to hunting with this bow this Fall, it really zips them into the target solidly.

Getting good groups when I am in the zone and focusing:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A1118_zps73c8d48c.jpg

Have a new target cover, just need to swap it out when I get some time.

CaptJJ
08-26-2013, 02:36 PM
The 45lb Hunter is just about ready for hunting season which starts in about a month. Just about done with tuning, raised my nock point to make sure I wasn't hitting the shelf, then bareshaft tuned. Cut the shafts another 1/2"(1/4" at a time), and the were still a little weak but close; didn't want to go any farther till I added the yarn string silencers; cut the fletched arrows to match. Was shooting really good today so I figured it was a good time to fine tune. Added the string silencers and the added weight was enough the get the bareshafts flying pretty straight side to side, very slightly weak which is supposed to be good because the feathers will make them act stiffer. I then worked on my nock point, was still high but as I stated I wanted to clear the shelf. Went down 1/8' and it got much better, another 1/16" and it was very slightly nock high, almost level flight. So I think I am good, will shoot with it like this for a few days then try some broadheads; after that I will take off the brass nock and tie them on(I like one above and one below for hunting). Will be shooting a lot now that work will start slowing down with tourist season just about over.:cool:

Probably going to order the Mamba soon, especially with the uncertain future for the business.

Double S
08-26-2013, 09:06 PM
Sweet bows and great Shooting Capt!.

CaptJJ
08-27-2013, 07:15 AM
Thanks Double S, the Hunter is really shooting great now that its tuned, makes a big difference in forgiveness. The Gail Martin Signature you got looks really nice, similar lines to the Hunter but the riser is trimmed down a little which makes it lighter.

I like the qiviut(musk ox) yarn silencers, really quiet it down and very light. They aren't cheap, but I bought a ball of yarn for the same price as two sets of the pre-made ones, have enough to make them for many years.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A1135_zps29febadb.jpg

Double S
08-27-2013, 08:44 AM
Nice!. I still need ot order some Strings from Chad. I already have some hairy Beaver string silencers sitting around. I think I'll try them out. But Chad usually makes and puts on his own string silencers.

CaptJJ
08-27-2013, 09:21 AM
Chad is great to deal with, awesome customer service, he wants to get them right even if he has to redo them. I have ordered two sets from him and both times, being a newbie, I didn't order correctly; sent them back and he got them back to me and they are perfect. Class act, he also wouldn't take the extra money I sent him. I didn't have him put any silencers on.

Double S
08-27-2013, 06:14 PM
I ordered a string from him for my browning Cobra recurve. It didn't show up for a 1 1/2 weeks even though he sent it out the next day after I placed my call. So he made and sent me another string and they showed up in the next two day. Darn USPS!. LOL. He didn't charge me for the second string.

CaptJJ
08-29-2013, 10:32 AM
Trying to get the bow/arrows fine tuned, shooting lots of bare shafts. Switched from a brass nock(easier to adjust) to tied on nocks since I had them flying slightly nock high. Turns out the lighter tied on nocks made the shafts act weaker. Dropping down from 125 to 100 grain points solved this. Not sure if I want to stick with the 100s or cut another 1/4" off which should make the 125s work. The broadheads I bought are 125s and its a little quieter with 125s, but shoots flatter with the 100s.

Tried a new method for tying nocks that I really like that makes them adjustable(no more need to use the brass ones). Had always used dental floss, but they can't be adjusted and the thin floss slides under the nocks and changes the way they fit. Here's a good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YlYqDiJN8U

Tried the new nock method this morning, then shot some bare shafts. After a couple tries I had them right so they wouldn't slide and ended up with a robin hood at 15 yds.:cool:
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A1141_zps138859bc.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A1142_zpsfa721421.jpg

CaptJJ
10-27-2013, 08:47 PM
Been shooting the Hunter a lot, and hunting with it this year, got my first deer with it a couple weeks ago, a nice doe.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A1348_zps5bd71422.jpg
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/P82A1200_zpsde51b54b.jpg

Ruined another arrow with a robin hood early September.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A1160_zpsdb376abb.jpg

Also picked up a 45lb Mamba to use out of my pop-up blind, mostly for turkeys; got a couple strings made, went with 8190 this time. The Heritage 150s that I shoot with the 45lb Hunter were too weak for some reason, so I decided to use the Maxima Hunter 250s I had. Cut them down to just under 30" and added a 50 grain brass insert and the bare shafts are flying nice and straight; weight is real close to the other ones so the trajectory should be about the same(better for aiming).

The Mamba is pretty close to the Hunter, just 4" shorter and a bit lighter.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w203/lgsalmon/Mobile%20Uploads/P82A1161_zpsd5c51340.jpg

DeanRM
11-01-2013, 12:14 PM
Congratulations on your deer!!! Your bows are beautiful...enjoy them!!!

CaptJJ
11-01-2013, 02:33 PM
Thanks Dean, taking them to Ohio to try for a good buck the next couple weeks on public land.