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WildWilt15
05-14-2013, 12:24 PM
Okay here is the issue, i have my nemesis and love it but upon setting it up for hunter class 3d i ran into some issues.

My spot hogg sight does not have enough adjustment i have it maxed out as far to the left as i can and its still about 4 inches not enough @ 20 yards.

Upon brainstorming i thought well maybe its just me being a little rusty with my back tension release, but upon further investigation i believe i have just to much cam lean. which i believe is due to the roller guard (which i absolutely despise with a passion)

I have a shoot next weekend in Ohio (Hotel and shooting fees already paid) and really need to get this resolved, any input appreciated if I am going about this wrong let me know and i would also like to know if the Nemesis can be converted to a roller guard if so let me know the part number or if any of you guys have a spare i could buy Thanks!

TEN RING
05-14-2013, 04:37 PM
Is your arrow centered,the centered shot right, can your give us some pictures:confused:

Spiker
05-14-2013, 05:56 PM
What is the DW, DL, arrow spine & length and what is the measurement from the bridge between the rest mount holes to the center of your arrow with the bow at rest.?

bfisher
05-14-2013, 07:10 PM
Definitely need more info, just as the other guys have said. However, if push comes to shove I would move the rest to the right (I assume you're right handed). I have a 2011 and 2012 Nemisis and both of them shoot weill with the rest set slightly inside center, so give it a thought. One thing I don't quite understand. Do you have a roller guard on the bow or do you want to convert to a roller guard? If you have the regular rod/slide I'd leave it alone. I'm not aware of any parts to change to a roller guard.

bob cooly
05-14-2013, 07:16 PM
I swap the windage bar around on my IQ's so I can get the extra windage I need. I HATE ROLLERS ! so I don't know what to tell you there. My friends Alien Z is a string chewing, cam leaning, limb breaking beast, 3rd set of limbs in 6 months. I stay with a simple rod and guide thank you.

bob cooly
05-14-2013, 07:20 PM
AH yes a conversion kit to put a rod and slide would be nice for my Diamond Iceman too. Maybe a Flexguard type that moves on the draw cycle.

WildWilt15
05-14-2013, 07:31 PM
Sorry for the clarity issues. Specs are as follows 28" draw 58lbs 400 spine beman ics pro hunters cut to 27 inches with 100 grain point. (around 350 grains total)

Rest is set just shy of an inch which is where i had it when i walk back tuned it when the bow first came in. I despise the roller guard and wanted to know if there was a cable slide conversion.

The shots seemed to be going farther left as i kept shooting for the 3 hours i was out today. as far as pictures go there really is not much to take a picture of except maybe the lean at full draw which looks to be pretty bad but i dont believe it is bad enough to derail. I have experience tuning the nitro cams and i have to say i'm not impressed with them as far as reliability. not knocking them as they perform great but are a little tricky and you MUST keep your eye on them.

Sonny Thomas
05-14-2013, 07:44 PM
"I have experience tuning the nitro cams and i have to say i'm not impressed with them as far as reliability. not knocking them as they perform great but are a little tricky and you MUST keep your eye on them."

???? Not reliable? Trick? Mercy! Like drop dead simple. Haven't touched mine since...since...since... I can't remember!

I almost said it just a bit ago in another thread, so I'll say it here. I wish you guys lived closer. The only Martin I couldn'y get to shoot "bullets" was one that had to have new limbs. New limbs and it was hungry for some for bull's eyes.

WildWilt15
05-14-2013, 07:48 PM
"I have experience tuning the nitro cams and i have to say i'm not impressed with them as far as reliability. not knocking them as they perform great but are a little tricky and you MUST keep your eye on them."

???? Not reliable? Trick? Mercy! Like drop dead simple. Haven't touched mine since...since...since... I can't remember!

I almost said it just a bit ago in another thread, so I'll say it here. I wish you guys lived closer. The only Martin I couldn'y get to shoot "bullets" was one that had to have new limbs. New limbs and it was hungry for some for bull's eyes.

I fought with mine to shoot bullets for a couple days finally gave up and walk back/bare shaft tuned it same with my onza 3 paper tuned to get it close then tweaked it by walk back tuning and bare shaft tuning.

Arrow Splitter
05-14-2013, 07:55 PM
I'm curious as to why it is shooting like that. I have Nitro cams on my Firecat, and with no problems. They have been maintenance free, and I've shot my Firecat out to 60 yards. Maybe your rest isn't in quite the right place?? Do your cams not stay in time?

A.S

WildWilt15
05-14-2013, 08:02 PM
I'm curious as to why it is shooting like that. I have Nitro cams on my Firecat, and with no problems. They have been maintenance free, and I've shot my Firecat out to 60 yards. Maybe your rest isn't in quite the right place?? Do your cams not stay in time?

A.S

i checked that and they were in time when i first got it and they seemed just slightly off when i checked today not enough to really make any difference at all I will be taking it up to my local dealer tomorrow. which i hate to do because the guy is kind of an arrogant j*****s and i have had nothing but bad experiences in the past with him. Worse case scenario it goes back to martin and i have to pick a bow up to use as a hopefully temporary replacement.

Arrow Splitter
05-14-2013, 08:08 PM
If they do keep changing, it might be the string and cables. If the center shot is correct, the bow is in spec, the vanes aren't hitting anything, and your form is good, then I don't know what it is at this point.

A.S

wscywabbit
05-14-2013, 08:47 PM
If they do keep changing, it might be the string and cables. If the center shot is correct, the bow is in spec, the vanes aren't hitting anything, and your form is good, then I don't know what it is at this point.
A.S

X2. It sounds as if something is moving on you. Especially since you said it seemed to get worse as you were shooting. I would take a step back, measure your specs and if they're good, start at the beginning and tune it again. I have the same cams on my Onza, and I've yet to have them come untuned or unset once I was done... But I have had accessories come loose and drive me nuts before. ;)

Once you get it all set again, go through one screw at a time and set them with blue loctite... it won't happen again. Good luck! :)

Ehunter
05-15-2013, 04:02 AM
If you have to, in a pinch, you can always mount the sight on the inside of the riser to get the extra left adjustment you need. I do agree with everyone else though, something's just not right. I've had several bows with the roller guard, and while I'm not a big fan of them, they haven't caused me any real problems. They do induce a little lean, but I've had no problem keeping a bow in tune with them, or the Nitro cams. Even though your arrows should be the right spine, have you tried dropping the draw weight, or shooting a stiffer arrow just to see what happens? Also might try relaxing the bow, then checking the cam bearings and axles. Got a Cat cam back from being dipped, and was having problems with getting tuned. Found out the guy that dipped it had not protected the bearing, and it was fouled up beyond repair. It was causing the bow to shoot erratically as you are describing.

dzsmith
05-15-2013, 05:36 AM
all the bad news on the 2013 ryteras is starting to scare me ..... wait where is my bow....

Tosi
05-15-2013, 07:30 AM
Something is wrong. I would bet it's the Cable, Sting or drop. You may won't to give them a twist to see what happens. Give them a twist, set the center shot and shoot paper to see were that gets' you. Check your drop also. Had and issue with the fork on one of my drop away rests that was similar to what you're experiencing is. The fork was bent slightly and causes the issue

WildWilt15
05-15-2013, 08:33 AM
At the shot the string misses the string stop to the right now. I'll give an update when I got the the shop I have a back up bow on the way through km archery hut an alien z with the acu track cam I will get this resolved though.

Sonny Thomas
05-15-2013, 09:44 AM
Don't mean to beat it into the ground, but like I've said in other threads, correctly timed I've found nock setting is near zero, usually 1/16" high. And even today 1/8" high is acceptable - not me, but just saying.

Tosi
05-15-2013, 01:50 PM
At the shot the string misses the string stop to the right now. I'll give an update when I got the the shop I have a back up bow on the way through km archery hut an alien z with the acu track cam I will get this resolved though.

WOW! Know that issue with the string stop. I had the same issue on my Fire Cat 400, missing the string stop. Change out string stop with a Mathews string stop, replaced cables/string with Stone Mt Titanium 8190 String w/452x Cables. Also re-set the draw stop and it was shooting lights out. It was shooting a 420g arrow at 288fps. Hope ya get it fixed, let us know how that Alien-Z with Acu-Track works for ya. Send Pics.

WildWilt15
05-15-2013, 07:06 PM
Update. Bow is going in I picked up a Bengal pro instead of the alien z because I figured it would be more ideal for hunting, i set it up today. Nice little bow for sure. Dealer said there was definitely something wrong with the cams limbs or possibly the axles won't know for sure until we get it back in a few weeks.

Tosi
05-16-2013, 07:13 AM
WW, Good Choice, would like to see that Alien Z with Acu-Track cam... Nice price too! Send pics when you got it loaded up.