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Ehunter
05-18-2013, 06:23 PM
Has anyone been able to get an Onza III down to a 26 DL? If so, how'd you do it? Thanks all!

Sonny Thomas
05-18-2013, 06:59 PM
From a minimum spec draw of 27 1/2" to 26" is a bit much and then that most run long you're talking a whole bunch. So if you really want to get to a measured 26" of draw you may be looking at a set of custom length made strings.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
05-18-2013, 07:29 PM
Short string it!


Hutch:cool:

Ehunter
05-18-2013, 07:29 PM
Thanks Sonny. That's kind of what I was thinking too. Figured that was a bit much to be short stringing, or lengthening ATA or both. Had a guy asking if my Onza would get to 26. Best I can do with the mods is 27.5, but might try to play with the others and see how it shoots.

Sonny Thomas
05-19-2013, 07:50 AM
Something you can try...if you're up to it.

Ratio for cables and string
untwist cables (both) one full untwist and match with twisting up bow string 3 twist. Might try 4 full twists.

What to look for and watch; Keep ata to specs or that which gave max listed draw weight (+/- 2 pounds).
Don't twist bow string so it wants to curl up - if you can pull to straight, okay. Still better than tying knots in the bow string ;)

I've done above. I maintained draw weight and never lost velocity. Long process, but that I had the bow string so twisted I had strings made.

Ehunter
05-19-2013, 06:05 PM
Might give that a try. Anyone know the max twists in a string? Hutch????
This string is already at 1 full twist in 1 1/2 inches. Had to do that to get it to draw specs. Don't want to twist it too tight, and wreck a good string. Thanks all!

Hutch~n~Son Archery
05-19-2013, 06:39 PM
A well built string will have 1 twist every 1.5 inches. You can twist it up to ten more just to see if you can get it where you need it. But much more than that is pushing it.



Hutch:cool:

Ehunter
05-20-2013, 04:06 AM
Thanks Bill. I'll give it a try, but 10 twists doesn't sound like it'll drop a full 1.5 inches. I'm thinking 3 twists out of the cables, and 10 in the string should only move me about 1/2- 3/4 of an inch if that much. Worth a shot though!

Hutch~n~Son Archery
05-20-2013, 12:23 PM
You are correct in the fact that it would not be enough. Best bet is too have a string built at 2" shorter.




Hutch:cool:

bfisher
05-20-2013, 06:15 PM
I hope you do know that short stringing 2" is going to make a fairly substantial drop in the weight range. But that might be better than having no bow to shoot at all.

joelc
05-21-2013, 10:13 AM
The Onza with the Nitro 1.5 cam will go down as low as 25.5" but changing out the cam will also effect the peak weight by as much as 10 lbs. If you were to long string/cable the bow (maybe add an inch of length to both...maybe more) you would essentially lose draw length without changing too much bow weight but by doing so you would also reduce the brace height significantly.

Ehunter
05-22-2013, 03:58 AM
Thanks for chiming in Joel and everyone. Would the performance difference from long stringing be noticeable? Would there be a speed gain from lowering the brace height, or would it be offset by lengthening the string/cables? Basically, I'm just trying to find out how to get this thing to a 26 draw without losing performance for a fellow Martin member here. I don't want to sell him the bow if the performance isn't going to be where it should be.

Sonny Thomas
05-22-2013, 06:38 AM
First, the one you're wanting this bow for must understand what is going on.

Phone number for you. M&R Bow Strings, Roger Snodgrass. 1-618-534-6155. Roger knows me, so give him my name if you wish.

Roger has been building strings for the shop ever since I began work there, back in 2008. He also built beautiful custom colored strings for my bows; Hoyt ProElite, Hoyt MagnaTec and Frankenstein bow. Custom made strings to correct a bow are not cheap as measurement have to be found. My finished set of strings came to $110.00.

Explain to him what you have and what you want to do. If not a custom made set of strings, I'm pretty sure he'll tell you what I gave earlier, untwist both cables 1 full turn, twist up bow string 3 full turns (because of such a short bow string). Okay, 3 to 1 ratio.

Again, I have done this and did not lose draw weight or speed. Roger gave me a ratio of 4 to 1, but the bow string for a 2010 Shadowcat is quite long compared to the Onza. Each bow model being different, I don't know how the Onza will respond.

Done as Roger instructed for my Shadowcat, draw length was reduced big time. I had exact 28" for the 28" mod. I'm pretty sure I put in 20 twists in the bow string, so 5 untwists to each cable (almost no twists left in cables). A Martin/Rytera Staff shooter was present and wanted me to leave it as is because it held to bow specs and I had the same velocity as before. I was just afraid of the numerous twists in the bow string. I should have asked Roger or just sent it to him for custom strings and been done with it.