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kilohertz
05-22-2013, 10:11 AM
Hi Gang!

I'm new to this site, new to bows, but not new in general, I'm actually getting pretty old. :rolleyes:

So my 11 year old son wants to learn archery, and we are on the hunt for a compound bow for him, and as I wish to join in and practice with him, I am in search of a bow to learn with. My friend has given me his old bow, a Cougar II MT-6 as shown. This has taken me about 3 days of net searching to figure out what it is..including a call to Martin Tech. I thought it was a Tiger, as it plainly says Tiger on the limbs, but after removing the little assembled by Jeff Mason sticker, I see it is actually a Cougar II MT-6. Very confusing having a current youth bow, with the same name as an older adult bow. So, not sure why it has limbs that say Tiger, with the Cougar model sticker, perhaps you Martin gurus could help with this. It looks like it is in very good condition, but I think it will need a few things to be ready to shoot. I don't see a cable rod on it, (is this a key item), it will need an arrow rest (whisker biscuit??) and maybe a new site. I'm 6'2" and need about a 29" draw. This bow looks like it is just right for my size.

Anyway, is it worth it to rebuild this bow to a functional outfit or would I be better off to look for something newer? Was this a good bow in it's day and is it still a viable shooter? I am pretty sure I will get hooked once I start, but I don't want to shell out big $$ right up front, as I want to focus on a new bow for my son first. Are sites, rests etc. pretty much universal as far as mounting, bolt holes etc.?

Your thoughts?

Cheers,
Paul

wscywabbit
05-22-2013, 02:03 PM
Welcome to the forum! Always glad to hear someone trying to get into the sport especially if you're gonna drag your kids into it as well. Big thumbs up dad! ;)

An older bow, especially a free one, is a great way to cut your teeth. I'm not familiar with your bow, so some of the more experienced members will have to chime in on it to help you get it set up for you. Accessories, for the most part, are pretty universal. My advice would be to find someone locally, either a friend or a coach at a local shop/club to mentor you and give you and your son some basic instruction. I'd hate for you two to develop some bad habits right from the get go from lack of info.

Beware though, its an addictive sport! :)

kilohertz
05-22-2013, 06:16 PM
Hi !

Thanks for the welcome!

Yes, I have found a local small fish and tackle shop who's owner is a bow shooter, and he bought out a store that went under and there was a selection of bows in there, one of which is the Barnett Vortex, which is what I think I will be buying for my son. The owner is very helpful and is a member of the local archery club, in which there are both indoor and outdoor ranges. Yeah! I saw the indoor range yesterday and it looked impressive.

I will await some further replies about my Martin bow before I start spending money. :D

Thanks again!

Paul

typically8
05-22-2013, 11:43 PM
You could always trade it in directly to martin and get a credit (125$ I think) for a last year model of a couple different types.

elkslayer4x5
05-23-2013, 10:14 AM
Welcome to the site! You've got the best reason in the world to take up archery, learning with your son. Nice ole Cougar, from what I can see in your photos, it looks like the string is in good shape, it it waxey? or dry? If it is dried out, and or frayed anywhere, you'll need to replace it. You can remove the string without the use of a bow press, any of us will explain how if you need to do so. Check out Sonny's thread " Thinning out my archey stuff", he has several rests that will do fine for you, and not put a large dent in your wallet. I think that the larger problem will be adjusting the bow to your draw length, which your new fried from the archery club will be able to help you find. I don't know how adjustable your new ole Cougar is, some of the bows of that era where draw length specific. Finding modules to change the draw length could prove to be challenging.
Other than arrows, you're just about ready to began shooting. :)

kilohertz
05-23-2013, 11:35 AM
Thanks fellows,

Yes, my son and I are really looking forward to learning this together. We have 20 acres to play on will have many opportunities to practice.

As this was a gift from a friend, I feel I should keep it, although the trade sounds intriguing and a great idea from Martin.

I will look for Sonny's thread you mentioned and see if I can find a rest for it. Yes, string is in very good shape according to the shop, and the bow itself is in nice shape as well. As for the draw length, it's darn near perfect at 29", which is what I need, being 6'2" with a 74" wingspan. The draw weight is 45-60lbs which is also just right. Overall I think this will make a nice training rig for me. It also came with a Kwikee Kwiver which I removed for the pics.

Do you think the stock sight will be okay or should I look for a fiber optic type or a more current design?

That's it for now.

Paul

Sonny Thomas
05-24-2013, 07:18 AM
Nice old bow, but that's the problem, old. From what I can see there is no guide rod nor place for one. What it was, there was a offset guide rod mounted in a plate and the plate went under the mounting plate for the sights. Sorry, I just sold my last one a month or so ago. Big mistake as I should have kept it for myself...

So you lack clearance for what would be a normal set up today. Best I can offer is find a stick on tab to hold arrow or a inexpensive flipper rest. Best then would be feathered arrows.

The Cougar is also of the round wheel world, so very little letoff and more than likely you will have a spongy wall.

Probably one of the Bodoodle rests I have would work if you could get vane clearance and until you get a guide rod that isn't going to happen.

I've sold quite a few of these type older bows. Most go for $10 to $25 and are bought for fishing bows. One, fishing arrows really don't need vanes. Two, if boating and the bows takes the deep six there is no big loss, except if you have one of those fancy fishing bottle reels.

elkslayer4x5
05-24-2013, 08:32 AM
The sight that is on the bow will work well, in fact probably was the bomb back when that bow was put togather. Check with your new friend for the cable rod that Sonny mentioned, he or someone in the club probably has what you need.

bfisher
05-24-2013, 10:21 AM
About the cable rod/slide. Is there, by chance, a hole drilled in the back side of the riser? Maybe below the grip. If there is you could get a rod to fit. Let us know or take a pic of that too.

kilohertz
05-24-2013, 03:25 PM
Hi guys,

Thanks for the replies. Yes, it's drilled/tapped for about 3/8" stud, on the rear of the riser, I think below the grip area. Also drilled tapped for a rest, so I just need to find one to fit.


cheers for now,

Paul

Spiker
05-24-2013, 05:14 PM
I probably have everything you need to get it up and shooting, including some old aluminum arrows.
Ill dig around and if so - you can pm me your address and I'll send it all to you.
You just cover the shipping.

Sonny Thomas
05-24-2013, 06:22 PM
Hi guys,

Thanks for the replies. Yes, it's drilled/tapped for about 3/8" stud, on the rear of the riser, I think below the grip area. Also drilled tapped for a rest, so I just need to find one to fit.
cheers for now,
Paul

Paul,
Spiker says he might have all you need. The guide rod for the 3/8" hole has the nut on the rod and usually the rod is a offset rod. If Spike doesnt' have that then I may just have one. I'll check this weekend.
Same like Spiker, just cover shipping.

Sonny

kilohertz
05-24-2013, 07:47 PM
You guys are awesome!

Thank you so much for the warm welcome and for helping me get this classic rig running and me shooting. My son's bow, by comparison, is pretty easy...just pick the one that fits him at the store, and of a good quality and one he can grow with, and legally hunt with if he chooses to, and head to the check out. :D My focus is to get him a good bow to grow with, and my requirements are secondary, and when funds become available, I can move into something more modern...but who knows..from what I have been researching in the last few weeks...when I get this set up, this Cougar may be all I need.

Thanks again!

Paul

PS I just chased the threads with a tap, and both the side mount (rest) and front/rear cable rod and ??? are 5/16" NF.

kilohertz
05-28-2013, 10:42 PM
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the offers. Did either of you have any success in locating mentioned items?

Cheers

Paul

Spiker
05-29-2013, 11:52 AM
PM me your address - Ill get it boxed up when I get home tonight and in the mail in the am.

elkslayer4x5
05-30-2013, 09:37 AM
Great site, is'nt it? Can't get much more help than than! Spiker, you 'da man'! :D

kilohertz
05-30-2013, 09:56 AM
Ya you guys have been a great help! Thanks!

I took the bow to the indoor range last night and had the fellows check it out. Although it's much older technology, they still appreciated the quality of construction and thought it was a great start for me. One of them installed a peep for me and helped get things setup. It's setup for 52 lb pull and has about 25lb let off. Just need to install Scott's parts and I'm good to go.

I think I have settled on either a Browning Micro Adrenaline or Fred Bear Apprentice for my son. We should both be ready to start in about a week or so....as soon as the rain stops here....jeezzzz.

Cheers

Paul

kilohertz
06-11-2013, 07:32 PM
I just received the package from Spiker...

Thanks Scott! Very much appreciated. I now have all items to finish the bow and get shootin'! :D He even sent me the mounting screws, which I have found out are 5/16 NF button head. Hard to get locally.

I bought my son the Browning Micro Adrenaline and he is loving it..shooting 2 weeks now and doing well. I am about to join him in the next few days, as time permits. We're into his baseball playoffs now and I am coach so we are quite busy with that until end of June.

Thanks again Scott, and everyone else who helped out here. I'll post pics when it's all done.

Cheers

Paul

elkslayer4x5
06-12-2013, 09:47 AM
I, for one, will be waiting to see the compleated bow. :) I'd also like to know how your team did in the playoffs. :D

OnzaXX
06-12-2013, 11:01 AM
You can find a saunders Z rod to screw in the back, Cobra also made one that will work, there are a few stores online that still carry them. That would get you set up for the cable guard rod. As for a rest, are you going to use a release or fingers, this will drive what type of rest you want to get.

kilohertz
06-12-2013, 03:06 PM
You can find a saunders Z rod to screw in the back, Cobra also made one that will work, there are a few stores online that still carry them. That would get you set up for the cable guard rod. As for a rest, are you going to use a release or fingers, this will drive what type of rest you want to get.

Spiker sent me the cable guard rod, as well as a whisker biscuit (Trophy Ridge) and 3 pin optical site. I already have a release. Hopefully the biscuit will be correct...looks like it will work. I also found a drop rest in the last few days...NAP SmartRest. From my short experience with my son's Browning and whisker biscuit, I think I will go with that...I like the way it holds the arrow in all positions...no dropping off the bow etc. There may be reasons to use the drop rest, which I don't know at this time...your thoughts?

thx

Paul