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bfisher
07-22-2013, 06:24 AM
I'm here to tell you guys that I finally got my 30# Diablo TD bow that I ordered in February. First thing I had to do was put it together which turned out to be harder than doing a compound. Tolerances on the limbs were so tight that installing them was a chore. I should know better but installed the limbs backwards. Bottom to top is what I mean. Installed a Cavalier Free Flight rest from the junk drawer and eyeballed centershot. Nocking point 1/4" high.

Took it out to shoot the next day without checking too much and in the first 10 shots the string popped off the top limb twice. Slapped my arm pretty good, too. So now I'm checking it out and the top limb was twisting badly. Got a call into Brandon right away, which tuned out to be lunch time Friday. They're closed so I gotta wait till today.

In the meantime I did a thorough inspection. Swapped the limbs top to bottom and checked the brace height----6 1/4". Hmmmm. Supposed to be 7" so I start twisting the string. 30 twists later it measures exactly 7". Lo and behold the limb twist is gone and the string is laying in it's grooves. Added some puffs to dampen the string vibration and pull out some heavier arrows---ACC 3-28, 500 spine weighing 330 gr. They shot like crap but did group. Guess what? No arm slap and no limb twist. Seems I learn something new all the time. Just on a whim I yanked some old aluminum 2114 arrows out to give them a try. Only have 4 and they are of the glue-on nock variety so that tells you how old they are. Arrow flight greatly improved. I'm so used to compounds that the arch is like comparing a football to s golf ball. WOW, but I was shooting some decent groups out to 25 yards.

I've still got some experimenting to do. Going to try my GT 22 series carbons or other arrows and need to paper and/or bare shaft tune. Need to work on form, too. It's been 38 years or so since I shot a recurve and fingers. Now to wait for that call back from Brandon so I can tell him the problem was all mine---dumb.

Also, I haven't forgotten the rules. Pictures to be added as soon as I clear off all the other crap on my camera.

Spiker
07-22-2013, 08:24 AM
Congrats.!!! I really like the Diablo TD. My '13 Alien had a really tight fitment at the limb pocket/rotocups also, which caused some issues, but was easily cured.
Couple questions; what type of string comes with it and will the wood 'Thermal' grip bolt right on?
Also would really like to know what the centershot measurement ends up at once you have it tuned.
Nice bow. Hope it works out well for you.!

bfisher
07-22-2013, 09:09 AM
Congrats.!!! I really like the Diablo TD. My '13 Alien had a really tight fitment at the limb pocket/rotocups also, which caused some issues, but was easily cured.
Couple questions; what type of string comes with it and will the wood 'Thermal' grip bolt right on?
Also would really like to know what the centershot measurement ends up at once you have it tuned.
Nice bow. Hope it works out well for you.!

I'll let you know on the centershot. I just got back from my club and gave my 22 Series arrows a try. 300 spine at 30# isn't supposed to work, but they didn't look all that bad considering. Without removing the rubber grip I'd say the wooden side plates should fit. There might not be a hole thru the grip to bolt them up, but I'm sure a drill would take care of that. The string is black Dacron so you can use that or B50 for a replacement. I'm not sure about the newer B500. Maybe Hutch can help with that.

I know there have been a fair amount of complaints about the servings unraveling, but if that happens I'll just reserve it and get it right. So far no problems although it's only seen about 100 shots. Time will tell, but I never consider it a problem. I've been my own bow shop since day one some 40 years ago. I'm the only person who has ever worked on my bows.

bfisher
07-22-2013, 09:16 AM
For some reason when I try to upload my pics get kicked out. I've resized them as usual (800x600). Anybody help?

Chip
07-22-2013, 03:29 PM
Congrats on the new bow Barry, Have you tried to post a pic through Photobucket? That's how I post most of mine seems to work well.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
07-22-2013, 03:37 PM
Barry, that bow have reinforced limb tips?
What string material does it have on it?





Hutch:cool:

bfisher
07-22-2013, 05:06 PM
Barry, that bow have reinforced limb tips?
What string material does it have on it?





Hutch:cool:

I can answer both questions with one answer, Hutch. Dacron String. It definitely puts the arch back into archery.

Just came back from one of my two archery clubs. Shooting outdoors and it's getting a bit scary. I'm shooting at least 3 out of five, sometimes four, arrows into chest cavity of a small sized McKenzie at 20 yards. Considering I haven't shot fingers or a recurve for 38 years I'm well pleased. Of course, at 30# I'm not planning on hunting with it and at my draw length it's probably more like 25#. Still...... it's fun.

What busts my chops is that according to the arrow charts I should be shooting about a 730 Spine. Well just to shoot I grabbed some of my older arrows, ACC 3-18 and 3-28. The 28's shot the best but still not good. I grabbed some of my GT UL 22 series (300 spine) and they shoot pretty good. I also got hold of a couple 2114 alum (510 spine)and they shot even better. These are so old they still have the glue-on nocks.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
07-22-2013, 05:15 PM
Probably B-55 or B-50. If it had reinforced tips you could go with a newer string material. But the best you can go with is Dyna Flite or as they call it D97


Hutch:cool:

andy_camping
07-22-2013, 05:16 PM
Great to hear Bfish!! Can't wait to see the pics. I think this is what I'm asking for Christmas

CaptJJ
07-22-2013, 05:54 PM
Barry, nice to see you got the limb issue figured out. The charts are probably right with the .730 spine, I am shooting full length 1716s (with an 85 grain screw in point and 4" feathers) out of my lightweight Bear recurve; its 28# at my 28" DL and the bareshafts fly nice and straight.

I'm pretty sure the takedown limbs have reinforced tips, definitely looks like it in the pics on the Martin site.

DeanRM
07-23-2013, 10:43 AM
The charts are typically set up for recurve and longbows that are not as centershot as the Diablo is. If you want to use a lighter spine arrow, move the rest out some more and let it paradox around the rest. The charts are set up to provide flecthing clearance around the riser. If you are setting it up closer to centershot, you can use a much stiffer arrow and get good flight.

Try adjusting the rest in and out with a particular arrow and you may find a spot where it shoots the best. Also, don't be afraid to adjust the nock point, you might want to start around 3/8" high, and try raising it from there, maybe up to 1/2" or more. One other thing, if your release is not clean, it will tend to make your arrow produce poor flight, espically with light weight bows. Try concentrating on a clean release, and see if that helps.

Good Luck!

bfisher
07-23-2013, 11:27 AM
Some good points Dean. I have my rest slightly outside center right now. About one arrow diameter at the point. I might try moving it in being as the riser allows for it. I'm well aware of getting off the string cleanly, especially with light weight. Years ago I had a very clean release and it still seems decent so long as I maintain back tension. When I get sloppy there is some wobble, but I've found that when I concentrate on the target I can shoot about 6" to 9" groups at 20 yards with some improvement each day. Of course, nock busting is one thing I don't have to worry about just yet.

If I can get the 22 series to bare shaft I'll stay with them, simply because they're paid (I'm an el cheapo) for and I'm only going to be punching paper and some short range 3D with them. I've been shooting out to 30 yards and after years of compounds I really notice the arch of the arrows now. Almost laughable. Like I said before. It's fun.

Sonny Thomas
07-23-2013, 04:34 PM
Get pics figured, Barry? I've been loading. Check for JPEG. If in Bitmap they won't load up.

bfisher
07-23-2013, 08:43 PM
Haven't figured it out yet Sonny. I "manage attachments", add files, and when I click on upload the thing slides out to the right side and my cursor won't do anything more on that page.

Stevtech
07-23-2013, 09:33 PM
See my posts at the end of the thread "Diablo 2013 td" have pics too.
I am waiting for my third string. Martin string frayed at the limb after one week about 150 shots. Stone Mountain string frayed at the nock in 3 weeks, about 4 or 5 hundred shots. I will have to learn how serve my own strings.
Also I had trouble with the bow stringer. Twisted a limb one time with it. I ordered a new one that I hope grips the bottom limb a bit firmer and straighter. Not just a piece of folded leather.

My arrows are Easton St Excel 500, carbon 9/32" 30" 4" fletch. I ordered these from the shop based on their recommendation from the charts. With 100 grain points. Bow is 35#. Two unfletched arrows go to the left. The shop sold me new tips. 65grain. Arrows went more to the left. I ordered 125 grain, and they go less to the left, but I still can't really tune the bow. I think I would need 600 grain arrows.
I will try to go further out with my rest when I get my new string. I kept going out but it wasn't bringing in the two out to the left of the group.

I really like the bow and have gotten compliments on it from archers and non archers but things are a bit frustrating.