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geronimo
03-05-2008, 05:07 PM
What is considered the best of the Martin 2 piece quivers? The 8 arrow, the wildman 4 arrow or the Fast 4?

bfisher
03-05-2008, 10:07 PM
What is considered the best of the Martin 2 piece quivers? The 8 arrow, the wildman 4 arrow or the Fast 4?

I'm looking at them now. Wildman 2x4 (3911R) would be my first choice. Wildman 5 arrow (3907R) would come second.

I would never even consider an 8 arrow quiver. Please forgive me, but this is my opinion. That's is too many arrows to carry around and shoot with. It just throws too much weight on that side of the bow. Besides, if I'd ever need that many shots I seriously need to take a second look at my shooting abilities.

I rarely carry more than three arrows at any one time. Your personal needs may be different.

flytier17
03-06-2008, 07:51 AM
2X4 is a great quiver. I have one. But it is quite heavy. that muck weight on the side of my bow makes it harder for me to level up properly, and gives me a toug=ch too much of a tendancy to torque the bow. I use a Kwikee, and love it.

I completely agree with bfisher. Unless you are going on a trip into the bush for a couple of days, and expec the opportunity too shoot multiple animals, 3 is all you need. I say 3 cause a buddy of mine put 2 through the lungs of 1 deer, and the thing still managed to run 400 yds! When he caught up to it, he needed the 3rd arrow to put it down.

I also carry a shocker head in my pocket in case I see small game that is in season. When I had the 4 arrow quiver, I kept the shocker on the 4th arrow.

bfisher
03-06-2008, 09:12 AM
Hi Alec,

The reason I say three arrows is that being just hunting local I do the normal morning and evening thing. I figure if I need more than three shots on any given session I need to be walking back to the truck kicking myself in the a$$ all the way back.

That being said, I did a trip from Pa. to Illinois a few years ago for a week of monster hunting. NO, no monsters came home with me. I did, however, only take three arrows set up for hunting with broadheads on each, and a pack of extra blades. Believe me, I know my luck and pack accordingly. In this case I could have packed my digital camera--a point&shoot.

Darrenhood
03-06-2008, 01:27 PM
My grandfather used to say, "Better to say nothing and have 'em think you're stupid, than to open your mouth & prove it."

So, to prove it.....I like the 8 arrow 2 piece. Always used them before I got my Mathews & was limited to 5. I'll carry 2 or 3 arrows with blunts or judos, 4 or 5 with broadheads & room to leave one out if the arrow rest or sight are bumping into a shaft.

I suppose sitting on stand all day a guy could do all he needs with one arrow. I like to stalk around, shoot stumps & small game to keep the shooting muscles stretched out & not run out of arrows.

The Martin 2 piece are the best kind. Keep the arrows on the lighter side & slide the hood & gripper in as close to the riser as you can get them. Ballances a lot better than realy heavy arrows hanging further out to the side.

dbd870
03-06-2008, 02:00 PM
I'm with flytier17. I use the 4 arrow Kwikee for easy on and off (I hate to shoot with a quiver attached); but I usually only move once in a day (out for lunch then back in) and I'll take the quiver off and tie it to the tree with my pull rope once I'm up. I rarely ground hunt during archery season. 3 is the most I've ever used in a morning or evening. Missed on one :( {bought a range finder for this season ;) } then put 2 in another a little latter on.

geronimo
03-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Darrenhood, I agree with you and which one of the 3 Martin 2 piece quivers fits closest to the riser for the lowest profile?

bfisher
03-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Now you've opened up another can of worms for me to nit pick about. And please don't think I'm trying to sound "holier than thou". Just stating an opinion.

If you do your hunting from a treestand why would you need a range finder? There are several reasons I ask this as I've had one in the past. For one thing most all shots are 30 yards or less. There are some exceptions. But with the speed of today's bows there isn't that much drop in trajectory within that 30 yards.

I've done the testing a few years ago and for giggles I sighted in a single pin for 25 yards. I then started at 5 yards and in 5 and increments shot the bow (264 fps). 5 yards was essentially the same as 25. At 10 yards about 1" high. 15 was a little higher. 20 yards was about 2" high. Dead on at 25, of course. 30 yards was about 3" low and 32 yards got to 4" low.

So I deduced that considering the average deer vitals tgo be about 8" high I could hold that single pin in the middle of the vital and shoot anything within 30 yards. No muss. No fuss. No guessing yardage except to determine whether the deer was within 30 yards.

I then stuck on a another pin and sighted it in for 30 yards for that maybe once in a blue moon shot beyond 30 yards. In 35 years oof bowhunting I've had maybe two killing shots more than 27 yards. One was 37 yards.

By the way, I have an uncanny ability to guess yardage or let's say much better thn average. I guess shooting a lot of 3D helps. Also, I sold the range finder as it was just one more gadget in my bag.

So please reply and try to interpret my comments with a little humor. I have a tendency to be taken the wrong way at times.

Barry

geronimo
03-06-2008, 03:47 PM
bfisher, What's your recommendation for a 2 piece quiver from Martin?

flytier17
03-06-2008, 06:26 PM
I like to be able too shoot as far as I can. Killed a coyote @ 75 once.

geronimo
03-06-2008, 08:50 PM
We are talking about Martin 2 piece quivers not shooting our bows!!!

dbd870
03-07-2008, 07:11 AM
Hijack alert:
Because Barry my bow is slooooow (and my arrows are fairly heavy) besides my distance estimation skills are poor! :( {I set a 35yd limit for myself} I don't care for the draw curve on the speed bows so that's my solution.

bfisher
03-07-2008, 09:22 AM
We are talking about Martin 2 piece quivers not shooting our bows!!!

Yes, I know but we have answered the original question and I like to keep conversations going. Sometimes others read these things and we all get a chance to become more educated about archery in general.

bfisher
03-07-2008, 09:23 AM
Hijack alert:
Because Barry my bow is slooooow (and my arrows are fairly heavy) besides my distance estimation skills are poor! :( {I set a 35yd limit for myself} I don't care for the draw curve on the speed bows so that's my solution.


OK, I'll buy that. Not trying to sell you on a new bow, but when and if you get a chance try drawing one of the Martin bows with the MPro cam.

bfisher
03-07-2008, 09:26 AM
bfisher, What's your recommendation for a 2 piece quiver from Martin?

I would probably go with the 3907R Wildman 5 Arrow. It the lightest so bow balance would be better. Then I could carry my usual 3 arrows well spaced. It's cheaper too.

dbd870
03-07-2008, 12:21 PM
I did shoot a MOAB, which I liked very much but at 59# and 28" with my 426gr arrows it chrono'd 231 fps. Not enough of an increase to justify the purchase for me; I was actually quite disappointed with the speed of that bow. It was at jcmorgan31's place so I'll assume everything was OK otherwise. The only thing added from the factory was a D loop - not even a peep.

bfisher
03-07-2008, 01:38 PM
I did shoot a MOAB, which I liked very much but at 59# and 28" with my 426gr arrows it chrono'd 231 fps. Not enough of an increase to justify the purchase for me; I was actually quite disappointed with the speed of that bow. It was at jcmorgan31's place so I'll assume everything was OK otherwise. The only thing added from the factory was a D loop - not even a peep.

How'd the bow feel otherwise? I mean the draw cycle. See, that's what I love about this sport. Everybody has there own preferences. I shoot a hunting arrow about 100 grains lighter for deer sized game so I know the speed would be much greater. Still not great though.

I've read of lot of JCMorgan's posts on other threads and he seems to have his act together.

Darrenhood
03-07-2008, 03:14 PM
Darrenhood, I agree with you and which one of the 3 Martin 2 piece quivers fits closest to the riser for the lowest profile?

They all have the same mounting posts. My son & I both have the 8 arrow, on two different bows. On each, the hood contacts the upper limb pocket first, slide it back out about 1/4". Slide the bottom (gripper) in till it, or the shafts, contact something, likely the bottom limb pocket. Slide it back out @ 1/4".

Then one shaft may contact the windage adjustment bar on your sight. Mine does & I just leave that arrow out. 7 is plenty. If I keep this sight on & I feel the need for all 8 arrows, then I can cut the excess off the windage bar.

The wildman 5 will probably fit the same.

I see the Fast 4 has offset mounts, moving the quiver rearwards to hold the arrows more inline with a reflexed riser. This one might scoot in closer if the hood gets behind the upper limb pocket. Haven't had my hands on one of those. They look nice.

All three mount to the threaded limb bolt inserts, but the distance from the insert to all other components is different from bow to bow. Hope this helps.

Darrenhood
03-07-2008, 03:23 PM
Those removeable one piece quivers attach to the sight & hang further out to the side, adding to the unballance. Anchored at the center instead of at both ends just makes them vibrate more. If you plan to shot with it on, 2 piece is the way to go.

Arrows sticking out of a back quiver get you stuck when crawling thru the brush. Brush steals arrows out of a hip quiver.

flytier17
03-07-2008, 07:55 PM
The shafts on the 2X4 contact the Knob on my Hogg-It. Makes a Buzz. I wiggled the quiver out a little past the ends of the posts to solve this.

flytier17
03-07-2008, 07:56 PM
I also found the kwikee mount won't work with the Knob either. I got the High-Riser extention plate.

geronimo
03-07-2008, 08:41 PM
Thanks everyone for your input and advice. I ordered the fast 4 2-piece today from Martin and hope it works out. It seems to be their most thought out quiver considering noise and balance while shooting. We will see......

dbd870
03-10-2008, 06:21 AM
How'd the bow feel otherwise? I mean the draw cycle.

It felt very good; reminded me of my Cougar actually - maybe just a tad less handshock. If I were to split limb or something it would be the replacement; it's nice and light as well - that was the most noticable difference when I handled it. I just didn't see enough difference to justify replacing what I have. If I was focusing on making a 3D bow obviously I would go a different direction, but I like a heavier arrow; like you said it's all personal preference.

Darrenhood
03-11-2008, 10:16 AM
Thread hijacking??

So, next time someone asks about arrow rests, the appropriate response would be iced tea, lobster tail & sowing machines?

dbd870
03-11-2008, 11:50 AM
Eh, the sewing machine would probably cross the line.

geronimo
03-11-2008, 01:51 PM
I'm still waiting on the quiver from Martin. When I get it and use it I will post a report.

Darrenhood
03-11-2008, 03:19 PM
When you get it, I'd like to know if it looks like a guy could remove the gripper section from the lower bracket & mount the 8 arrow gripper & maybe get the hood off & mount the larger 8 arrow hood, on those swept back Fast 4 mounting brackets.

Have desire, will butcher.

flytier17
03-11-2008, 03:46 PM
Mine remove. I'd imagine the brackets are intercompatible.

flytier17
03-11-2008, 03:48 PM
Eh, the sewing machine would probably cross the line.

Yeah, so would iced tea. Real guys chug beer or shots. I prefer Vodka:D

Darrenhood
03-11-2008, 04:23 PM
Yeah, so would iced tea. Real guys chug beer or shots. I prefer Vodka:D

You would realy like our localy made Idaho Potato Vodkay. Three brands I've found so far. Smooooth.

Darrenhood
03-11-2008, 04:25 PM
I'll have to see if Martin will send me just the fast 4 two piece brackets so I don't have to butcher a 50 some dollar quiver.

ArcherAlii
03-16-2008, 12:21 AM
Can someone post some pics with arrows in the quiver. Please also note arrow lenght.

Montalaar
03-16-2008, 03:57 AM
Hmmmm~

Is it possible to mount such a quiver also to a Razor-X? xD

geronimo
03-16-2008, 09:38 AM
Can someone post some pics with arrows in the quiver. Please also note arrow lenght.

I hope these help....the hood cover extends beyond the upper limb by a couple of inches. My arrows are 27".

ArcherAlii
03-16-2008, 01:22 PM
very nice. Thanks geronimo.

Darrenhood
03-18-2008, 12:05 PM
And here's my 8 arrow. Sits kinda forward, would be nice to move it back, but not by going to fewer arrows.

geronimo
03-18-2008, 01:55 PM
Darrenhood, Is that a Cheetah and did you change the cable rod?

Darrenhood
03-18-2008, 02:34 PM
It's a Bengal. I shortened the cable rod. It stuck out 2 inchs past the string & adjusted low for the best fletch clearance & least cable deflection, my fist was getting into it while trying to clip in.

Checked the travel of the slide & it sure didn't need to be that long.