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Montalaar
05-10-2008, 11:38 AM
Heya.

I am in the possibility to get the riser of a C4 Cougar or a Shadowcat in addition to my 06 Razor-X. Which one would prefer? =)

Montalaar
05-11-2008, 07:29 AM
No answers yet? Flytier? bfisher? dianahood? sceptermax? o.O

bfisher
05-11-2008, 08:43 AM
Monty,

I didnd't answer because I can't make an honest comparison. I have never shot a Cougar. I have a ShadowCat, but it's a custom job with SE limb pockets and magnum limbs, so is only a 32" bow with 9 3/8" brace height. It also has B Nitrous X cams and Winner's Choice strings/cables. It's my hunting bow so I only put about 50 arrows a year out of it.

OK, I'm rambling here. In other words I can't give you an honest comparison.

Montalaar
05-11-2008, 10:48 AM
My shadowcat would use Magnum limbs with Nitrous, too. So maybe you can give me some ideas to that combination.

bfisher
05-11-2008, 12:49 PM
I honestly don't know. I would magine that the brace height would be pretty low if you are using standard limb pockets. Then again, it would depend on which base cams you would be using.

I can say that the bow has some heft to it, meaning it's fairly heavy. What do you want to use it for, Monty?

Montalaar
05-11-2008, 01:36 PM
It would me something as a backup or 'fun' bow. It would have really low draw weight and only a short stabilizer instead of the long 36" i use with the Razor. I may will use it for practice of my back muscles/my technique.

The Razor has a weight of around 8lbs with everything installed so that weight is no problem to me.

flytier17
05-11-2008, 05:07 PM
I would say Shadowcat purely because the Cougar had a 6" bh even with Elite limbs. So, if you are shooting for fun with it, the more deflexed shadowcat riser may provide more options in terms of BH and forgiveness, depending what limbs/cams you use. Never shot either though, so don't take it as experience.

scepterman30x
05-12-2008, 07:08 AM
Ok...in my opinion it is totally a personal preference. One is just as good as the other. Here are some comarisons that may help make your mind up.

1. Shadowcat is a pro series riser cougar is not.

2.Shadow cat has a more deflexed riser (generally more forgiving)

3.two interchangable grip angles for the Shadowcat only one integeral grip for the cougar

4.Note:Cougar with Elite limbs does not have a 6" BH it has about a 7 to a 7.5" BH

All this being said I would pick the Shadow Cat just because it is a pro series.

Just my opinion.

Montalaar
05-12-2008, 12:17 PM
Thanks for your opinions so far. I will have a call with my martin pro shop this week and my get it the next weeks. :)

flytier17
05-13-2008, 07:36 AM
I just checked the old webpage for the C4 Cougar Elite Furious; it says 6.5" bh.

scepterman30x
05-13-2008, 08:04 AM
my M2000 cougar had fury cams with 16" limbs and it had a 65/8" BH. Furious cam is bout the same as Fury just that it is adjustable. So if you had Elite limbs which are 1" longer then factoring in the angle of say bout 35 degrees shoulg give you a BH of bout 7". All this depends on the cam you use of course. Just a note: the web sight is just avg. specs not neccisarily spot on accurate. Just as a for instance BH for the Slayer says bout 63/4". Real world specs are bout 7" for C cams and 6.25" for A cams.
Believe me I have been tinkering with Martin bows since before 2003 and have been a Staff shooter since then. I don't claim to know every thing but what I know I know. Thanks,

scepterman30x
05-13-2008, 08:12 AM
Specs for M2000 cougar elite with fury cam. 67/8" is pretty close to 7". Risers should not be different geometrically.


Axle Length 42"
Brace Height 6 7/8"
Mass weight 3 lb. 15 oz.
Draw Length 25" - 33"
Draw Weights 40# - 80#
I.B.O. Speed 308 FPS

Montalaar
05-13-2008, 08:30 AM
Unfortunately i will use Nitrous C-Cams so that the BH should be slighty more than 6.5" =)

scepterman30x
05-13-2008, 09:01 AM
If you use the cougar riser with elite limbs and the NOS C cams you should have way more than 6.5" of BH.