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deanrm
03-22-2009, 02:35 PM
Hey Martin,

I just got one of your new Jaguar T/D's and love it! I am happy to see that such an awsome product can be produced here in the USA at a very reasonable price.

Thanks Martin/Howatt....you guy's ROCK!!!:D
Dean

SandSquid
03-23-2009, 04:52 AM
Hope mine are in route to us as well...... The kids in my youth group have been anxiously waiting on them since I ordered them back in December!

SoCalArcher
03-26-2009, 07:09 AM
I have one order, should be here in two weeks. I've only seen pictures and have noticed the shelf is not crowned; I shoot off the shelf. Any suggestions?

deanrm
04-01-2009, 09:39 AM
SoCalArcher,

I also shoot off the shelf on my other bows, but on the Jaguar, I use the elevated rest that Martin includes with the bow. You will get awsome arrow flight as you can adjust it way past center if you want. After shooting mine this way, I am tempted to put an elevated rest on one of my other bows also.

If you really want to shoot off the shelf, I would make a radius out of a 1" or 2" dowel, split in 1/3 and glue it onto the shelf and sight window. I'm sure you could make it work good.

I would recommend trying the elevated rest first. You might like it!

Dean

SandSquid
04-01-2009, 11:16 AM
I have one order, should be here in two weeks. I've only seen pictures and have noticed the shelf is not crowned; I shoot off the shelf. Any suggestions?

What I was advised yesterday is that if you have not already recieved your Jaguar T/D (from the first production run of limbs) it is likely you will not see it until "next month sometime". The next batch of limbs are in route to Walla Walla currently.

SoCalArcher
04-01-2009, 02:55 PM
Dean,

Great suggestion! I'll try the dowel; however, I will give the elevated rest a shot.

eldermike
04-15-2009, 01:25 PM
Got mine on order today. Martin has the limbs and is working on back orders now. So I ordered from a dealer today to get in the back order status.

SoCalArcher
05-07-2009, 10:23 PM
I ordered my 45# Jaguar Recurve in March; I'm still waiting. I can understand an eight to ten week wait for a custom recurve, i.e. Black Widow, Habu, ACS Adcock; we're talking about a metal riser bow from the largest manufacturer in North America. What's the hold up?

damascusdave
05-08-2009, 05:49 AM
I ordered my 45# Jaguar Recurve in March; I'm still waiting. I can understand an eight to ten week wait for a custom recurve, i.e. Black Widow, Habu, ACS Adcock; we're talking about a metal riser bow from the largest manufacturer in North America. What's the hold up?

One of the fellows that I shoot with has been waiting for a Hoyt for a lot longer than that. I think the recent economic downturn has really hit some companies where they live, particularly those who specialize in boys toys.

deanrm
05-08-2009, 07:49 AM
I ordered mine in November, and got it in March which was over 3 months, but I'm sure Martin is trying to get them out as soon as possible. I know they are producing their Rytera Alien-X bows as fast as they can. Maybe once they get ahead with one line, they can concentrate on another line. I think it had been a challenge for them to meet the demand for the limbs.

I think we should be happy that we can order these at such a great price. If it takes a little longer, it's just that much sweeter when it arrives!

marrahm
05-13-2009, 12:35 PM
Dean, can you tell me the length of the limb bolts on your jaguar?

FYI: http://www.martinarchery.com/mtechforum/showthread.php?p=15380&posted=1#post15380

Thanks,
Mike

deanrm
05-15-2009, 01:05 PM
Mike,

I don't have the bow in front of me. but I think the threaded portion is about 1.75" long. I think they are the same bolts that they use on their compounds.

Hope this helps.
Dean

Ratdog68
05-15-2009, 08:31 PM
Don't get me wrong... I'm a Martin fan. I love my X-200 and just acquired a Mountaineer. I've also got a Damon Howatt Bandito.

My first Jaguar arrived to my door on Monday. It had no string, it had no rest, it had no manual, it had no limb bolts. The limbs appeared to be "unfinished". Ok, to be fair, my eye may have become a little more critical since I'm applying the finish to my first longbow (built from scratch), but, the limbs appeared to have arrived without being finish sanded, and had no "finish" on them. A real concern for me, given that I live in Western Washington, where it's always raining. I spoke with Joel at Martin, and he's promised to make the bow right. I sent it back to him Monday afternoon.

Today... the "second" Jaguar bow I ordered arrived to my door. It's "complete" as far as the "parts" contained within the box. The limbs fit into the bow nicely, and appear to work just fine... however... the "finish" on these limbs is not what I expect from a Martin product. If I'm not "careful"... sliding my hands along the limbs COULD result in getting slivers. :( That's NOT an issue with my X-200, nor with my Mountaineer. Again... my eye/hands are becoming more critical after making my own longbow, and the Mountaineer appears to've been sanded with 220 grit and a few coats of clear sprayed on it... it's sure not "glassy smooth"... I know, it's a production bow. But, I really don't think seeing "Martin" on the limbs (this second Jaguar)of a bow which will give me splinters (literally) is what buying a "Martin" bow is all about. If it was being marketed as a "finish it yourself bow"... I'd be tickled pink and wouldn't think a thing of it.

I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THESE ITALIAN LIMBS STACK UP AGAINST THE DAMON HOWATT BUILT LIMBS !!! :(

deanrm
05-17-2009, 11:52 AM
I've got the Howatt produced limbs on mine, and I am happy with them. You can see some slight sanding marks on the sides of the limbs if held up into the light just right, but they are smooth if you run your fingers down them. I am not expecting a custom finished product for the price, but am happy with what they are. Definately no chance of catching a sliver as you described with the ones that you recieved.

I'm sure Martin will take care of any issues that you have.

Good luck!
Dean

SoCalArcher
05-18-2009, 09:38 PM
The Martin Tech Forum isn't the only forum buzzing about the Martin Jaguar Recurve. Seems everyone is curious and many others chasing shadows about the Jaguar, i.e. overseas limbs, Howatt limbs, old overstock risers, new risers, etc. Also, you have to balance out the comments made by over optimistic, bias moderators and those that would criticize their own grandmothers. The determining factor for me is the Martin reputation for quality; if it's not right, they'll make it right.

I'm still waiting for mine, ordered March 16th, and I just ordered another this morning. That will total eight bows for me, three Black Widows, one Horne's Archery and four Martins. Yes, I shoot them all.

SandSquid
05-19-2009, 02:12 AM
Seems everyone is curious and many others chasing shadows about the Jaguar, i.e. overseas limbs, Howatt limbs, old overstock risers, new risers, etc.

Which is exactly why I do not post hear-say. Unless I get the info directly from someone employed by Martin, I do not convey it.
There is enough mis/disinformation being spread about by the detractors already!

SoCalArcher
05-19-2009, 09:14 AM
There is wisdom in your words SandSquid. Where are you from?

SandSquid
05-19-2009, 09:29 AM
There is wisdom in your words SandSquid. Where are you from?



I am an "Intelligence Specialist". The very first lesson they teach in our schooling is Ronald Reagan's famous tag line "Trust, but Verify."


"Crede, sed inveni veritatem."

SoCalArcher
05-19-2009, 10:10 AM
Navy I.S.? Did you go to school in Virginia?

SandSquid
05-19-2009, 11:36 AM
Navy I.S.? Did you go to school in Virginia?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to......

SoCalArcher
05-19-2009, 02:31 PM
LOL, shoot straight SandSquid.

SoCalArcher
05-29-2009, 08:59 AM
Received a shipping confirmation from Bowhunters Superstore this morning; 45# Jaguar should be here on Wednesday. No word yet on the 50# I ordered.

w9trb
05-29-2009, 07:29 PM
I got a 55# Jaguar T/D today. About 3 1/2 weeks wait. Will be able to make some shots Sunday afternoon, I hope. How do I tell who made the limbs? I really didn't notice any particular markings on it.

SoCalArcher
05-29-2009, 10:31 PM
3 1/2 weeks? That's awesome! I have waited almost 12 weeks. Where did you order your Jaguar? About the limbs, give Joel a call (Martin Tech) - he may know. What other bows do you own?

deanrm
05-30-2009, 10:00 AM
I was told that the limbs for my Jaguar came from the Howatt factory. I think the way that you could tell is if they have the fancy script writing on the belly just past the point that they attach to the riser.

It is Martin's typical beautiful looking script writing that lists poundage and length. I don't think the imports have that writing on them.

SandSquid
05-31-2009, 07:04 AM
I got a 55# Jaguar T/D today. About 3 1/2 weeks wait.

Sweet! Good to know they are shipping.

My 35#'ers for my youth group supposedly was shipping form Martin to my dealers on the 15th of May. but as of the 29th no sigh of them. I ordered 30#'s in Dec/Jan time-frame. but the 30#'ers are pretty rare so I decided to take the 35# since I have a week left before my archery summer camp starts in June. If they don;t show up by Weds. I'll have to order some more Internature or Rolan bows and have them shipped express.

SandSquid
05-31-2009, 07:06 AM
It is Martin's typical beautiful looking script writing that lists poundage and length.

I always wondered if they have some lady who's only job it is to write on the limbs. it's always so pretty and perfect.



I don't think the imports have that writing on them.

The few I have seen do not.

eldermike
05-31-2009, 07:27 PM
There is no writing on my limbs.

SandSquid
06-02-2009, 02:04 PM
Sweet! Good to know they are shipping.

My 35#'ers for my youth group supposedly was shipping form Martin to my dealers on the 15th of May. but as of the 29th no sigh of them. I ordered 30#'s in Dec/Jan time-frame. but the 30#'ers are pretty rare so I decided to take the 35# since I have a week left before my archery summer camp starts in June. If they don;t show up by Weds. I'll have to order some more Internature or Rolan bows and have them shipped express.


Well, I spent this Tuesday 02 April morning hanging out at the shop.. The UPS truck drove right on by and did not pull in.

I'm starting to think I've been told a fib, and they did NOT leave Walla Walla on the 15th of May like I and my dealer were promised.

One more day and I need to go buy some other bows and cancel my order. Sad, I really wanted those Jaguars for my youth group (and me) to shoot.

SoCalArcher
06-02-2009, 02:07 PM
SandSquid,

This is not good news, sorry. Anyway you or the dealer can track the shipment?

SandSquid
06-02-2009, 04:11 PM
SandSquid,This is not good news, sorry. Anyway you or the dealer can track the shipment?

There was NO shipment.


As is often said in the Customer Service game "Sh!t Happened"
Somewhere down the chain, communications broke down, the bow never shipped, neither I nor my dealer were notified.


I'll be purchasing (2) Greatree Mohegan's out of my own pocket, so the youth group has enough bows to get through this weekend. I really hate to because they are junk, but I need something now, 3 bows shared between 15 kids just isn't going to work. I convinced the Church Board that Martin Jaguars were the bows we wanted to buy, so for me to go back to them and explain all this, well it's just easier for me to buy the Mohegans, get through the weekend, and Monday try and sell them on eBay for not too much of a loss.... The really sad part is they are going to cost me MORE than the Jaguars!!!!
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w9trb
06-05-2009, 09:22 AM
Wow, I really feel at a loss for you and the group of children. Martin got in over their heads on these Jaguars. Mine has no markings except a few numbers I found at the base of each limb, that are hardly readable. One ends in A and the other in B. I have no idea which is "supposed" to be upper or lower or if it even matters. I got no box, book or warranty card. Not planning any further trips to that dealer. They just don't have Traditional stuff. There is another Bow shop with 3D range off to the west a few miles more and I am going to make a trip over there to see if they are Wheel oriented or Trad.

eldermike
06-05-2009, 10:33 AM
My limbs are not marked upper or lower......I have tried them both ways, they shoot the same. Hope somone comes in and tells us what the A and B are all about.

SoCalArcher
06-11-2009, 11:01 PM
It took 11 weeks, but I finally received my Martin Jaguar Recurve. Following are my impressions of the Martin Jaguar Recurve: The NG1 Camo film dip is poor at best; several wrinkles and sharp edges. The standard elevated rest is trash; I replaced it with a Whisker Biscuit and Martin Loc-Mount ($62). The limbs are extremely poor quality; probably the worst and cheapest set of limbs I've seen. These limbs are identical to what I've seen on a beginner childs bow "Matrix Takedown Recurve", manufactured in Italy. Also, this bow is very noisy with lots of hand shock. The Martin Jaguar Recurve reminds me of Microsoft's Vista OS; with all its short comings - push it through, fix it later. OK, I appreciate the $122 price tag; which means it costs about $40 to produce. To improve quality, the price does not need to increase. Being a discontinued compound riser, the casting mold has more than paid for itself already; but please, put a bit more effort into the limbs! The Martin Jaguar Recurve is not consistent with Martin quality.

eldermike
06-12-2009, 12:45 PM
I thought the rest was a junk until I tired it, it fooled me. The look of the limbs is deciving also, they shoot great. The noise I had came from low brace height. The string needed quite a few twists to get up to brace height, once there it's much less noisy.

Hand shock? Could be low brace height, I don't notice much on mine.

I did a test with mine with two other higher end bows, a dream catcher, a Tomahawk long bow and the Jag with the plastic rest. The winner.......the Jag. Now that's just me but I beat myself with the other two bows at 15 yards over and over again. My wife said: say it ain't so, but it was so.

Mark_Martin
06-13-2009, 09:40 PM
I finally got my Martin Jaguar today. I am not going to complain too much about the low caliber of the finish, nor the big hairy splinters hanging off the edges, nor the big ugly scratch on one of the limbs. What could I expect for the price right? However, I would have expected to have gotten the limb bolts to put the thing together, a string, and an owners manual, correct? The pictures on the website seem to indicate an elevated rest is also included. Tell me I am not mistaken that I should have expected all of that from this order: http://www.bowhunterssuperstore.com/martin-2009-jaguar-p-10211.html

I really have no complaints about the ship time. I ordered on 5/25/2009 and was aware of the fact that it was not in stock ready to ship. I was prepared to wait awhile. It shipped on 6/9/2009 and I received it 6/12/2009. So no complaints with shipping times and backorder. I just want the rest of my bow.

Okay, just looked for the problems "RatDog" http://martinarchery.com/mtechforum/showthread.php?t=4579 has, the holes are not even threaded for the limb bolts even if I had limb bolts to put in. Whatever happened to RatDog68 has happened to me. Maybe that Joel fellow can help me out?

Sincerely,

Mark Martin
Prairie Grove, AR

Update: I have since discovered that "The limb bolt holes in the riser are not supposed to be threaded. The barrel nut slides into the riser and has the threads required to secure the limb with the bolts." Apparently all that I NEED is a bag o' parts.

Update2: I will have to say that Bowhunters Superstore customer service seems pretty great. I sent a message via their "Contact Us" button on their website and was contacted within hours and on the weekend no less. They are going to make things right. I tip my hat to them.

marrahm
06-15-2009, 12:36 PM
I ordered mine from Bowhunters superstore and had it a week later. Mine came double boxed with the rest, limbs, riser, manual, string (no nock) and bolts all nicely and securely wrapped. The bolts were too long but a quick call to martin and a few days later I had new bolts that work perfectly.

This is my second bow. My first was a Kingfisher I purchased from Cabela's and returned in a week to get this bow. Other than these two bows, I have only shot a buddy's longbow. Of these 3, the jag is a huge favorite.

Fit, finish and weight of the jag are better than the kingfisher. jag limbs are wood and not camo'd composite, but that doesn't matter to me. I hear some say the jag limbs are poor quality, but mine had no rough edges, laminations looked strong and the solid tips look and work better than the loose caps on the 'fisher. Ultimately, I didn't like the feel of the kingfisher when I shot it, it was too heavy and I was having a really hard time getting 3-4 out of 12 arrows in a deer's critical area at 30 yards. And the fisher had only 40# limbs and PSE said I'd have to get a whole new bow to get new 50# limbs.

I added only a pair of string leeches to each bow before shooting it with the stock rest. On the martin, I put a single nock point above the arrow with the arrow perpendicular to the string in the stock rest. I use three fingers under the arrow to shoot for now as that seems a bit more accurate for me than 2 under 1 above.

After just a few arrows, I can get all 12 in a deer at 30 yards. After an afternoon of practice, I can put all the arrows in a paper plate at 30 yards with the stock rest. That rest doesn't feel like its going to last very long, so I'm going to go do something else soon, but its working fine for practice right now. I find this bow quieter and easier to shoot more accurately with 50# limbs than the fisher was with 40#s. It tires me out faster, of course, but its more fun to shoot.

Its a great bow, in my opinion, without much - if any - competition in this price range.
Good luck,
Mike

eldermike
06-16-2009, 10:41 AM
Hey mike,

I know what I am going to do about the rest.......I am going to order another one just like it.:) I have no idea how many arrows I have put across that plastic rest so far. But I would guess more than 1500.

SoCalArcher
06-16-2009, 02:04 PM
My wife's grandfather has been shooting Martin bows for over four decades; he took a careful look at my new Jaguar and just shook his head. He said, "This is not a Martin bow; anybody says this is a nice shooter is just pretending to be an archer!"

jeff_sher
06-20-2009, 07:42 AM
gorgeous!!!!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260430857548

SoCalArcher
06-22-2009, 10:20 PM
jeff_sher,

No offense, but this is the "Traditional Bow Forum", i.e. recurves, longbows, and selfbows. Though your Warthog is a sweet looking wheel bow, your post is better suited where other wheel bow shooters are viewing.

SandSquid
06-25-2009, 04:53 PM
Wish I could show the bow with Martin limbs installed but the ones that came with my two bows would not fit in the limb cups of my riser, and were absolutely horribly "finished" so they are going back to walla-walla.

SandSquid
06-25-2009, 05:14 PM
And a rare picture of my ugly countenance.



The astute observer will note that the KAP Pro Style and Internature Bullseye limbs fit the Jaguar riser rather nicely

deanrm
06-26-2009, 01:31 PM
I like the look of the carbon fiber dipped riser. Was that a special order, or is that the new Black model? My black model is just flat black.:(

SandSquid
06-26-2009, 06:51 PM
I like the look of the carbon fiber dipped riser. Was that a special order, or is that the new Black model? My black model is just flat black.:(


I ordered (2) 30# black jaguars for my youth group in Jan./Feb. Last week these showed up.... and they came w/ 40# limbs, way too heavy for a bunch of early teens. but they delivered limbs would not fit in the riser cups so they had to go back anyway...

SandSquid
07-11-2009, 09:02 PM
our 4 bows... (2) 30#'s and (2) 40#'s

alex
07-13-2009, 05:01 AM
They look quite good to me. It's a pity i can't buy one :(

D.haurn
10-05-2009, 01:18 AM
I am looking for a set of martin brothers warhead ii exhaust to fit a 99 harley night train with a magna charger supercharger anyone that may have a set they want to sell please let me know thanks

Spiker
10-06-2009, 04:16 PM
Do you have the right 'Martin' ?

SoCalArcher
10-06-2009, 05:01 PM
Ya ... I don't have one of those.

jbrad2
10-25-2009, 04:21 PM
I ordered a Jaguar TD #55 a week ago and they said it was on back order for a month. In looking at the forum there seem to be lots of trouble getting this bow and or getting the right, if any, parts for it. Why, after almost a year do they still have problems with this bow? Everyone who has shot it likes it so I am looking forward to getting mine. Can one of the senior members tell me what's going on? Thanks a lot.

jbrad2
10-30-2009, 08:00 PM
Well, it's been a week and no response. Maybe no one knows why this bow is still slow in shipping after almost a year in production. Anyway, I need to know if this Jaguar TD has the holes or hole for a recurve sight like Sure-Loc. I want to be set with everything I need when it gets here.
Thanks in advance.

eldermike
10-31-2009, 05:22 PM
Yes it has tapped holes for sights. It's a compound riser. However, it shoots great as a recurve and if you want to have some real fun leave the sights off and see what you can do. It comes with a rest that works great and you might want to give it a try. With a recurve it's important that you have the right arrow. I suggest you get some 1916 legacy arrows, these are feather fletched and that's what you need.

twistofcain
10-31-2009, 07:05 PM
ordered mine from, ye old archery,55#,,, 5 days it was at my house, only a few days a go this was, so far love it, take it aprt try something else shoot some more, shoots good too , pleased ..

twistofcain
10-31-2009, 07:09 PM
check ye old archer
I ordered a Jaguar TD #55 a week ago and they said it was on back order for a month. In looking at the forum there seem to be lots of trouble getting this bow and or getting the right, if any, parts for it. Why, after almost a year do they still have problems with this bow? Everyone who has shot it likes it so I am looking forward to getting mine. Can one of the senior members tell me what's going on? Thanks a lot.