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www.coloradotactical.com
06-12-2009, 08:15 AM
So, rather than attack the problem at hand, someone at Martin made my post disappear. PLEASE MAKE MY MOD PROBLEM DISAPPEAR! Now there is a novel concept...

Whomever deleted my post, please inform me why you deleted it, other than you realize there is a major problem, and you don't want anyone to know about it...

please advise what you are doing at a factory level to fix this issue you apparently don't want anyone to know about.

flytier17
06-12-2009, 08:44 AM
I can't seem to find it either. I looked up the record of your posts, and it shows only 2 threads started by you. The third is missing.

I'm not sure how a thread gets deleted here. I don't think its a tool the mods have either.

I saw nothing wrong with your thread. You approached the topic with tact, and I saw nothing offensive about any of the posts on the thread either.

I don't know why someone would have deleted it for the reasons you implied either though. There have been many more regarding Firecat limbs, and other factory screwups like wrong limbs shipped etc... I don't understand why this would be singled out like that, especially as it was not an offensive thread.

This is probably the last time I'll be here for a week or so, so unfortyunately, I cna't help much. Maybe another moderator can assist you further.

All the best with your problem, I hope it is resolved to your satisfaction.


Alec

www.coloradotactical.com
06-12-2009, 08:48 AM
I appreciate your input. not sure If I told you but I chrono'd @ 297-302 spread, I am anxious to see what happens when I crank to 70lbs and also when I put the new cable guard to move the cables out more so they wont rub. I don't think it is a good fix, but it will keep me shooting...

Thanks again for your help and comments.

bfisher
06-12-2009, 12:37 PM
I have to agree with Alec. In no way did I read anything so derogatory as to deserve the thread being deleted. In fact, I found it more informative than anything.

I'm sorry that you're having such a problem with the Hog. I have a 2008 FireCat with the same cams and I see a little rubbing on the bottom cam, but not severe enough to warrant compaining. In fact, I'm still shooting the same cables/string and see little to no fraying of the serving at the cam, even after about 5000 shots or so.

I don't think I'm in a position to be of any help to you, but I do hope it gets resolved, for your sake and the company's.

Spiker
06-13-2009, 09:27 AM
I posted the thread about my FireCat being shipped with the wrong limbs on it and find it rather curious that there has been NO replys. Denial ? ? ?
I really wasn't upset about the whole thing, even tho it puts me a couple weeks behind on practice with the new bow before the hunting seasons open, however when I contacted Martin about it they offered no apoligies and didn't really express any concern at all.

www.coloradotactical.com
06-13-2009, 10:11 AM
I know this forum is for help from other users. I guess I was hoping someone that actually worked @ the factory was on here as well and could be the full blown expert.

I have been having issues, and I have received some pretty good insight from the forum, especially Alec up in Canada.

I am not sure why no one commented on your post regarding the wrong limbs, had I checked it out, I would have commented about why I am still shooting a Warthog... About 25 years ago (give or take 5 years) My dad, brother and I (all shooting martin's) were out back shooting into our Lint Bail and we heard the most amazingly loud crack/explosion from my dad's Martin Warthog. Believe it or not, both limbs exploded as soon as he let the arrow fly. Apparently they are laminated or use to be anyway. I thought a bomb went off. Long story longer... We called martin, they apologized, sent us the address to ship to and within 3 weeks I was shooting my dad's brand new 1980's Martin warthog with absolutely no charges to us except shipping it back to them. Please keep in mind that this bow was old, used and not in mint condition by any stretch. After customer service like that...I have to stay loyal

That being said...I am still annoyed about the CAT cam system that is rubbing my cables big time!

I hope Martin took care of you and sent you all the right parts and peices the second time around?

HungarianHammer
06-13-2009, 08:15 PM
i had issues with my new 09 cheetah and matin was great at correcting the problem.......I too had my threads deleted, like all 20 of them....hmmmm ......I REALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATONS ..Good luck

www.coloradotactical.com
06-13-2009, 10:34 PM
can you elaborate on what issue you had? I am very curious as to why certain issues get deleted, yet I have this post that has not been deleted? I suspect they only check every so often.

anyway, please let me know what issues you had, I am just curious.

thanks!

Spiker
06-14-2009, 10:02 AM
I know this forum is for help from other users. I guess I was hoping someone that actually worked @ the factory was on here as well and could be the full blown expert.

I have been having issues, and I have received some pretty good insight from the forum, especially Alec up in Canada.

I am not sure why no one commented on your post regarding the wrong limbs, had I checked it out, I would have commented about why I am still shooting a Warthog... About 25 years ago (give or take 5 years) My dad, brother and I (all shooting martin's) were out back shooting into our Lint Bail and we heard the most amazingly loud crack/explosion from my dad's Martin Warthog. Believe it or not, both limbs exploded as soon as he let the arrow fly. Apparently they are laminated or use to be anyway. I thought a bomb went off. Long story longer... We called martin, they apologized, sent us the address to ship to and within 3 weeks I was shooting my dad's brand new 1980's Martin warthog with absolutely no charges to us except shipping it back to them. Please keep in mind that this bow was old, used and not in mint condition by any stretch. After customer service like that...I have to stay loyal

That being said...I am still annoyed about the CAT cam system that is rubbing my cables big time!

I hope Martin took care of you and sent you all the right parts and peices the second time around?

I've been shooting Martin bows for 30 years or so and still own 4 Martins. Out of all of them I've had - only one has ever had any sort of problem and after a couple attempts at fixing it Martin just sent me a new bow (actually an updated version) at no cost to me. I still have and shoot it. Their customer service in the past has always been great so even tho I dont quite understand how a bow can get shipped out labeled as a 60#dw 30"dl when it pulls at 74# and has the standard modules on it - I'm positive that they will correct the issue and I will be very happy with it. The cable clearance issue is a concern to me also because of the C.A.T. cams and I will be watching them closely when I get the bow back and start shooting it. Martins service has always impressed me and I trust they will take care of this for all us CAT cam owners.

dbd870
06-15-2009, 05:39 AM
I noticed it was gone as well; I didn't see any reason to remove it either? I had a problem with idler on my 08 MOAB, Martin sent the parts in a timely fashion and it's up and running. It is still the best feeling bow (to me) I've ever owned and I really like it, however if someone at Martin pulled your thread they need to understand it just hurts their reputation with the shooting community; I'm very disappointed.

SandSquid
06-15-2009, 05:44 AM
however if someone at Martin pulled your thread they need to understand it just hurts their reputation with the shooting community; I'm very disappointed.


Well, we shall see... If these threads endure past 0901 Pacific Time, when the Super Mods return to the office.

bearagone
06-18-2009, 07:42 AM
Having had the same problem with string wear on the draw modules, Martin sent new cams, modules, axles and stings for my new warthog.

I found the new pieces to be very poorly finished and spent an entire evening smoothing the pieces out and breaking the sharp edges that would have cut the strings within a few shots. I started with 320 grit, then 600 and finally used 1000 to polish the pieces. I am sure the machining marks on the outside of the draw module (right wear it rubs) cause almost instant damage to the string, and I gave this surface a fine polished surface.
Even my shop was impressed with the difference. When we installed the new pieces we found that even with the cable guard all the way out, there was still rub on the draw modules.
We then installed an Alpine cable slide on the rod (it had slightly more offset) and now have just a few thousands clearance between string and draw module.
After several hundred shots there is no sign of wear.

Another upgrade we made was switching to the Sims STS piece which is slightly wider and seems to capture the string better. I also had the problem of the string getting past the STS (not every shot, but it was apparent when it did).

I love the way my bow shoots now, but it did take substantial tuning to get it to this point (and help from the pro shop).

One thing that kind of pissed me off - I bought the bow locally, then found out I needed to PURCHASE the longer draw modules for $50
You would think that I could trade the shorter ones for the longer, but no.

Hope your bow shoots as well as mine, and soon. Good Luck, Bearagone

Montalaar
06-19-2009, 11:57 AM
I think something weird is going on.

SOme hours ago i have seen this thread three times but now i see only this one again.

But.. whatever..

You got help over there at AT i see. Great for you. ;)

www.coloradotactical.com
06-19-2009, 11:44 PM
I spoke with Joel, very happy with the conversation, they have revised the cam so there is no bandaid approach...they actually fixed the issue. I am thrilled beyond words, I will be receiving my new cams, mods and strings on wednesday...and will report back what i chrono and hopefully excellent clearance and super smooth!

thanks to one and all...especially Joel @ Martin!:D

jeff_sher
06-20-2009, 07:41 AM
what a beauty!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260430857548

dbd870
06-23-2009, 06:20 AM
Glad to hear that - way to go guys.

flytier17
06-23-2009, 05:04 PM
I am very happy to see that this issue was resolved to your satisfaction.

Happy shootin!
Alec