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NewNYBowhunter
08-09-2009, 07:28 PM
I just bought an '08 leftover Firecat, and got it home from the shop Friday.
Today, I thought I'd sight it in. First shots off to the left at 10 yards. Shot my first group of three, and picked up arrows for a second set after a slight adjustment. I had to find the right allen wrench to fit the sight, which the dealer didn't tighten all the way, it was loose. So after moving the sight, I shot two arrows, both off to the left still. move sight over to right to go right, and I got BIT pretty damned good on the inside of my arm, I now have a half goose egg on my arm. ( And yeah I had a doc look at it because I don't usually show this much damage that easily, and I have a lot of high veins in my arms that I don't need damaged) I've been string bit before, but not this bad.
The bad part is, My arrow was cut almost clean at the front of the fletchings, and two of the fletchings are separated from the shaft. I have no idea where the rest of it went.I also know my arrows should be able to handle the bow.(Easton carbon raiders 55 -70) After looking at the bow, I saw part of the teflon string guide was cracked off, and the string is loose from both catches, no idea where that is yet either.
I know on my end this bow was never dry fired, it came out of the box at the dealers shop, still in the plastic packaging. I fired 4 arrows through the bow at the shop, picked it up 2 days later after he put the sights on and a kisser button. I shot the 6 arrows to sight in and it blew up on me. That's 10 total arrows!!!!
Is this a sign of a major defective bow, and should it be returned to Martin?
I bought this bow because of all the things I read and the reviews I saw, expecting this bow to be of excellent quality, and the last one I buy for a long time.

Jake-the-snake
08-10-2009, 08:23 AM
is your draw length too long?...and when sighting in a bow, if your bow shoots left, follow your arrow--meaning if your arrow hits left, then move your sight left;)

Spiker
08-10-2009, 09:14 AM
I am by no means an expert and there are a ton of fellows on here that have forgotten more than I will know - however I would like to add a comment to this post. I have been shooting the bow and arrows since I was about 6 or 7 years old (about 45 years now) and have really never had an issue with a string slapping my arm. I've owned just about all the bow brands (currently 5 Martins, a PSE and a Bear) and I've never ever owned an arm guard or any such unit. I shoot sleeveless as much as possible.
That all changed a couple months ago when I got my new 09 FireCat.
I pulled it outta the box - did a quick measurement check - threw an arrowrest and nock on it and shot about 300 arrows thru it to get it broken in.
All was well ! Then I switched out the rest for one that I really wanted on it made a couple other changes and took it out back to the range. The string would put a 'goose egg' on my arm every shot! Plus the rubber bumper on the SST would fly off every shot. So - to my draw board it went. What I found with it is that if it isnt tuned up correctly - the string hits my arm. Especially if the centershot is off ! ! !
Once I got the cams wrapped up - ATA and BH on spec. - and centershot and nock point all dialed in - It has never hit my arm again! It puts bulletholes thru paper and groups my field points and broadheads right together. And I've shot around 2000 arrows thru it since. Maybe more...
If I wuz you - I would recheck the tune on it and go out and try it again.
Also make sure that the SST is centered on the string. Mine shoots best and is the quietest with the string almost touching it at rest.
Just my 2 cents...

NewNYBowhunter
08-10-2009, 10:28 AM
Ok First off, I don't know why everyone thinks that my draw length is too long, I think it's too short, it's set at 29, and I think I'm closer to 30, I was measured at the dealer at a little over 29" so the draw would be short, and the release loop should make up the rest I'm just about 6'1" and don't have tyrannosaurus Rex arms. I think a longer draw would let me straighten out more, and let me lock out and roll my elbow over, flattening the inside of my forearm.
Second, if the teflon cable slide cracked and broke off during the shot, releasing the string from it's catches, with the force of the limbs and the draw weight, sending the cables over fast and hard enough for it to cut the fletching end off my arrow, hitting the string stop, which could torque the bow left causing it to string slap my arm, Why would anyone think it's shooter error, and not a mechanical defect of this bow? Part of the bow broke during a shot, the bow wasn't banged around or mishandled to make it fail, it just had a mechanical failure. I've Shot over a thousand shots with my other bow, and never had this happen. ever.
Yeah I'm still pissed

eldermike
08-10-2009, 01:38 PM
Sounds like the arrow failed on you, which can have almost the same affect as a dry fire. Sounds like all the other things happned once the weight of the arrow was lost on the shot. One thing to check is nock fit on the string. I like to hear the thunk of the arrow nocking tight on the string.

flnative75
08-10-2009, 02:59 PM
I love my martin bows and have been in a shop when someone pulled a firecat back and completly exploded the limb I myself shot a firecat and shot alot and have never had any issues myself but I do know this ,the shop gave him a loaner since he was heading out of town for a hunt and martin took care of the problem before he even got back ;)

hotrod26
08-10-2009, 03:08 PM
Ok I think a longer draw would let me straighten out more, and let me lock out and roll my elbow over, flattening the inside of my forearm.

The longer your DL the more prone you are to get forearm slap!!

Desmond
08-10-2009, 03:16 PM
The longer your DL the more prone you are to get forearm slap!!


This is true. Last week I got new set of strings on my SLAYER and I decided to get a "D" loop installed on it which I've never used before. The extra 3/4" length of the loop made me slap my arm on the first two arrows I shot with it. Now I'm used to the length difference and re-adjust my form.

NewNYBowhunter
08-11-2009, 07:32 AM
I appreciate the responses so far, I called Martin and I'll be sending the bow for them to repair. Like my user name says New NY Bowhunter, I am new to bow hunting, and don't own perfection, But,I don't abuse my equipment, and try to maintain it properly.My arrows are carbon Raiders 55 70, so they should be able to handle the draw weight. I am going to be looking into new arrows for this bow, and keep the ones I have for my other bow.

bfisher
08-11-2009, 08:29 AM
I appreciate the responses so far, I called Martin and I'll be sending the bow for them to repair. Like my user name says New NY Bowhunter, I am new to bow hunting, and don't own perfection, But,I don't abuse my equipment, and try to maintain it properly.My arrows are carbon Raiders 55 70, so they should be able to handle the draw weight. I am going to be looking into new arrows for this bow, and keep the ones I have for my other bow.

I didn't see any mention of the draw weight of the bow. Today's bows impart a lot more energy to the arrow than those of the past so it's possible that your arrows are underspined for the bow. I'm not familiar with your arrows, but suffice it to say that possibly 55-70 is not stiff enough if you are shooting over 65#. Also how long are the arrows and how heavy of a tip?

It's possible that the cable slide came apart and caused the incident. Afterall, they are part of a mechanical system and as such can fail. It's rare, but it does happen. Did you take the bow back to the dealer? This might be the wise choice. Without seeing the bow it might be possible that all that's needed is a new cable slide and a good looking over then shoot the bow at the shop to make sure everything is OK.

Yeah, I might agree with you that if the cable slide broke during the shot then the cables could have come flying toward the arrow and caused a bunch of nasty things to happen. Without having been there I'll give your assessment the benefit of the doubt.

As for the goose-egg on the arm? The bow's draw length might be OK. Just guessing, but height often correlates to the wingspan and yours sounds about right. If you have a loop this stretches you out a little more. Do you grip the bow? You shouldn't. Gripping the bow turns the forearm in toward the string which can cause some nasty string slap. I suggest you get on www.archerytalk and do a search on "GRIP". Nut&Bolts is a real guru on bow setups and shooting form and has lots of postings on how to "not" grip a bow. I hate to say grip because grip is not what you should be doing. Let's call it "hand position" to be more accurate. You can do this while waiting for your bow.

Hope everything comes out alright. Keep us posted.

goodwrench19
08-13-2009, 07:30 PM
i have the 09 bengal and this is just the way these bows just happen to do, when i first started shooting this bow it would slap me just about every 10 arrows or so, and i know it is from the way i was gripping it,,this being said it is a very small amount of movement that makes it good or bad,, just a touchy bow. still love the way it shoots although the string is junk and string silencers are junk, and it doesnt come anywhere close to the rated speed, i ended up putting the sst on just to stop hitting my arm.

Jake-the-snake
08-14-2009, 08:45 AM
il disagree with you on this...hand position is everything when it comes to arm slapping, especially if your draw length is too long, and i thought the bengal comes real close to its advertised speed, because my dad has a 2007 bengal, still with the factory strings, (he will be changing them in a few months) and with the original string silencers (bowjax), and his bengal is dead quiet and shoots 285...this is with a 29" draw length and 72lbs. draw weight...it all depends on where your string silencers are (closer to the cams the better) what kind of rest and peep sight you have as well as arrow weight.

goodwrench19
08-15-2009, 07:36 PM
il disagree with you on this...hand position is everything when it comes to arm slapping, especially if your draw length is too long, and i thought the bengal comes real close to its advertised speed, because my dad has a 2007 bengal, still with the factory strings, (he will be changing them in a few months) and with the original string silencers (bowjax), and his bengal is dead quiet and shoots 285...this is with a 29" draw length and 72lbs. draw weight...it all depends on where your string silencers are (closer to the cams the better) what kind of rest and peep sight you have as well as arrow weight.

i didnt disagree hand position is key,, but i shot a darton for 10 years never having the problem, and then a hoyt for the last 4 years still no problem, and am shooting heavy arrows 28.5 inch goldtip xt hunters with 100gr tips so just over 400 grs and at 65lbs the average shot speed is 264fps long ways from 318 oh i pull 30inchs the bowjaxs were on the bow, out of the box, i shoot a trophy taker drop-away, the pronghorn i cant remember the peep c5 i think

NewNYBowhunter
08-17-2009, 12:45 AM
OK My bow is sent back to Martin, will let them look at it, They should have it there today.
bfisher, you were wondering about a few things. The draw weight should have been set at 70#, the arrows I was using are Easton carbon raider 55 70's, the arrows are cut at 30 1/2 inches, and I have 100 grain tips that put my arrow weight at about 411 grains(this was weighed at my local archery shop range). I don't know how that helps your questions, but that's what I was shooting.
Oh I think I'll be using a guard from now on with this bow, lesson learned

Montalaar
08-17-2009, 08:12 AM
I do not know how old those arrows are but they might be not stiff enough for your setup. Although they say from 55 - 70 lbs they may cannot store the energy. Compared with a too long arrow and a too heavy point.....

NewNYBowhunter
08-18-2009, 08:13 PM
Montalaar,
I bought the arrows last season, so they're not old, as far as I know. I may have to get a set just for this bow. Glad I don't ask permission too much

Jake-the-snake
08-18-2009, 09:23 PM
NewNYBowhunter, did you get my pm?

NewNYBowhunter
08-20-2009, 09:59 PM
I thought I did but lost it after reading

NewNYBowhunter
08-28-2009, 09:59 PM
I just got my Firecat back and got sighted in at the indoor range. I wanted to test the speeds of the bow on the chrono, and here are some of the results. right off the truck, and with no tweaking (yet). Bow set at 65#, draw length 30" full 80% let - off. 411 grain arrow 272 fps. 368 gr. 292fps, 322gr. arrow 308fps. bow has a tube peep sight, a Martin whisker biscuit, and a release loop.
Needless to say, the bow shoots nice, and Ed who helped me set up and get sighted in was impressed with the speed out of this bow, as were a couple of older guys who were shooting what looked like some target set up bows.
One of the things that happened a few times was the string stop bushing flew off.
I was shooting tired and hungry at the time, and I still need to practice to get used to this bow, but I still managed at 10 yards to put 3 arrows inside the circle of my fingers. Now if I can start doing that at 20 and then 30 I'll be real happy.