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newt2archery
08-25-2009, 03:21 PM
I'm a beginner, and found the bow I want for taking backpacking and hunting small game, the Martin Rebel. Unfortunately I am a big guy (6'2"), with a 77" wingspan for a calculated 30.5" draw length. According to the specs the Rebel draws out to 29" which is too small for me.

If I were to use a trigger, would this have the effect of allowing me to use a smaller draw length comfortably? Does this make sense to do this? I'd rather not use a trigger, but if it allows me to comfortably and accurately use a small light bow, then I want to do it...

newt2archery
08-25-2009, 03:46 PM
Also on the draw weight, would the rated draw weight be at the maximum extension of 29" for this bow?

bfisher
08-25-2009, 06:53 PM
I think you have been misinformed. The Rebel is a recurve and as such has no specific draw length. They can be drawn to whatever draw you prefer.All traditional bows are rated for draw weight at 28". Most of them will draw 2# more for each inch over 28" or 2# less for each inch shorter than 28".

I would highly recommend you shoot a few to see how they feel. Normally a longer bow will not stack up as quickly, meaning it will draw smoother and will have more speed (cast) at a given poundage with the same arrow.

Not trying to scare you away from the Rebel. Just give a few basic facts.

You shouldn't need a release to shoot it. In fact, most people who shoot traditional do so to keep away from releases, sights, and all the other gadgets us compound shooters rely on. It does add another dimension to shooting and hunting. One lost on some of us older guys and ever experienced by most of the younger set these days.

Don't know whether you plan on carrying the bow all the time, but if you plan on a lot of back packing you might also look at the Jaguar Takedown. It would break down nicely to fit in a pack if that is your desire. The Hatfield is the cream of the crop in the Take-down bows, but maybe a whole lot more than you plan on spending

Like I said, look at a few and shoot them for your own comparison. I know you'll end up a happy hunter no matter which you choose.

newt2archery
08-26-2009, 09:05 AM
Hi,

Thank-you very much for the advice!

When I read the product information for the Martin Rebel, it said something like: pulls smoothly all the way out to 29". My belief was that since my draw is 31", there would be a high stack up for me if I were to try to shoot by fingers.

I belong to a club, and there are lots of bows to try, but none of the recurves pull smoothly out to my full draw unfortunately.. They kind of feel like if I pull them out to my full draw I will damage them. The only one I can use is a Browning compound, so that is what I have been using.

I've taken a few lessons, and I was using a 25lb recurve bow that I could draw out all of the way. I guess I could try to buy that one.. I would like to learn the right way.

My ultimate aspirations are to be able to take a bow in or on a pack (for me takedown is good, but overall weight is most important) and be able to hunt grouse legally (min 40lb) with the minimum of gear from about 10 yards away (usual distance).

I had a look at the Jaguar, and it looks like a good bow at a good price, but I have been advised to start out with smaller draw weights, and it looks like the Jaguar minimum at my 31" draw would be approximately 51lbs, so I think that would be a bit much to start?




I think you have been misinformed. The Rebel is a recurve and as such has no specific draw length. They can be drawn to whatever draw you prefer.All traditional bows are rated for draw weight at 28". Most of them will draw 2# more for each inch over 28" or 2# less for each inch shorter than 28".

I would highly recommend you shoot a few to see how they feel. Normally a longer bow will not stack up as quickly, meaning it will draw smoother and will have more speed (cast) at a given poundage with the same arrow.

Not trying to scare you away from the Rebel. Just give a few basic facts.

You shouldn't need a release to shoot it. In fact, most people who shoot traditional do so to keep away from releases, sights, and all the other gadgets us compound shooters rely on. It does add another dimension to shooting and hunting. One lost on some of us older guys and ever experienced by most of the younger set these days.

Don't know whether you plan on carrying the bow all the time, but if you plan on a lot of back packing you might also look at the Jaguar Takedown. It would break down nicely to fit in a pack if that is your desire. The Hatfield is the cream of the crop in the Take-down bows, but maybe a whole lot more than you plan on spending

Like I said, look at a few and shoot them for your own comparison. I know you'll end up a happy hunter no matter which you choose.

eldermike
08-26-2009, 11:08 AM
You can get the Jag with lighter limbs if you give Martin a call.

bfisher
08-26-2009, 11:32 AM
You can get the Jag with lighter limbs if you give Martin a call.

This might be an option; well worth a phone call to Martin.

To reach the minimum of 40# you could go with something that draws about 35#. At your length, if you actually draw it 31", you would be looking at an actual draw length of just about 40 to 41#, quite capable of taking down grouse.

I might add that if you can hit grouse on the wing your a way better shot than I.

RogerSr
08-26-2009, 11:41 AM
For me to hit grouse on the wing, i don't use a bow at all, i use a shotgun!
if you do it with a bow, you are a better shot than i am also.

bfisher
08-26-2009, 11:47 AM
For me to hit grouse on the wing, i don't use a bow at all, i use a shotgun!
if you do it with a bow, you are a better shot than i am also.

Hey Roger,

You're on here almost as much time as I am. You have too much time on your hands.

RogerSr
08-26-2009, 11:54 AM
Your right, I go out hunting deer in the morning and later in the day, but in the middle of the day it's to hot out side to be out there, it's deer season here right now, and it's hotter than hell! so I'm on here a lot.

bfisher
08-26-2009, 12:00 PM
Have to take that back. I forgot that you're older than me. Must be retired with so much time on your hands you can't find enough time to do anything.

I gotcha about the heat. Not near as hot here in Pa. come hunting season, but I hate sweating in the early season. Ours doesn't open till about the beginning of October. Then if it's still too hot there's always fishing or some trip to the Caribbean for a scuba trip. It's always cooler 100' down in the water.

RogerSr
08-26-2009, 01:15 PM
I am retired, our early season was last month,this is general season now, i see a lot of bucks, but none i want to shoot, i still have about 4 weeks, hoping to find what i want before then, if not I'll just have to shoot anything i can, but it is hot over a 100 most days, to hot for a old man to be walking around in the brush

newt2archery
08-26-2009, 01:16 PM
Whoah, guys, come on, you are talking to a beginner here! I will admit I have had such fantasies involving snaro points and flu flus, and have even gone so far as to order a couple of Snaro points, but these are solely to give some credibility to the stories I make up about wing shooting!!! :D

Most shots are 10-20 yards and the grouse sits still!

The question I still don't really have an answer to is if it will be practical/advisable to shoot a Rebel drawn out to 31 inches. I'll try calling Martin and also ask about lower power limbs for the Jaguar...

By the way, I was out shooting today, and did find a recurve that I could draw back full ok.. I estimated my draw length based on the tip-tip distance /2.5 method, but as a check, I noticed today that a 31 inch long arrow was absolutely the smallest arrow I could shoot comfortably in the recurve I tried. Even 1/4 inch shorter and the tip would have fallen off behind the arrow rest. Is this a good verification that my draw length is indeed 31" ???


For me to hit grouse on the wing, i don't use a bow at all, i use a shotgun!
if you do it with a bow, you are a better shot than i am also.

newt2archery
08-26-2009, 01:24 PM
Well, tried calling Martin Archery a couple of times, no answer... Guess it must be hunting season there too!!!

newt2archery
08-28-2009, 12:05 PM
Anybody able to help? Will the Martin Rebel stand up ok to drawing it out to 31"

bfisher
08-28-2009, 07:14 PM
What time did you call them? You know they are on Pacific Standard Time.

newt2archery
09-03-2009, 03:16 PM
Was about 2 in the afternoon Pacific Daylight Time...

They were very clear that they answer the messages in the order received, that they answer all messages, and not to call back a second time, but they still haven't responded...


What time did you call them? You know they are on Pacific Standard Time.

newt2archery
09-03-2009, 05:27 PM
Hi, I did get a call back from Martin today, they said that it's really pushing it with this bow to draw 31".. Also maybe more importantly, he said I would have a lot of trouble getting a clean release...

I really like this bow though, such a nice finish and so small and light... What about using a release to adjust the draw? I would ideally like 40#, so if I drew 31 but there was 5" taken up by the release is this a suitable way to solve the issue? (The bow is 40# at 26"...)

bfisher
09-03-2009, 07:09 PM
The most you lose on draw length with a rlease is about an inch. You still draw the bow back to about 30". The only thing that changes is your facial contacts, which we commonly call anchor points. Your drawing hand will be farther back along your jaw bone with the first knuckle of your drawing hand just under the ear lobe.

The one advantage of a release is that you will be able to get a consistently clean release from the string and you won't experience any finger pinch.

Not near as quick if you plan on any type of snap shooting. I've never shot release without a sight. Usually your anchor points are lower than with fingers so the arrow is much lower than your eye so you can't gun-barrel the arrow. I guess if you practice it enough you could get good at it, though.