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AdamA
10-01-2009, 06:22 PM
So I'm begining to think that I'm spending more time working on my bow than shooting it. Other than the fact I need to order a new string and cable with extra serving I'm having a problem with the CCS and idler wheel alignment. I've heard that this is a problem but don't understand why. So if anyone can help I'd REALLY appreciate it.

BOW: 2009 Cheetah 70lb 29" w/STS & CCS from factory
Problem:
When holding the bow in the shooting position my string is running to the left side of the idler wheel, which would mean that I need to put a couple twists on my right cable...right? The problem is the cable going up the opposite side is hitting on the right side. So, if I put a couple twist on the right side the cable has a pretty good chance of coming off. It's already close to coming off, rubbing pretty good.

I'm already expecting a new idler wheel in the mail any day now due to a dent in the wheel from the factory....how this happens not sure either. Is it possible that the wheel is bent? Would changing from the CCS to a cable guard make a difference? it seems like the CCS has the cables pulled pretty far over. I just don't know what to do at this point.

alex
10-02-2009, 09:13 AM
Adam, changing the CCS is a good idea, but will need to send the bow to the factory i think.May be you have a bent axle-check it before putting the new wheel.

AdamA
10-02-2009, 12:43 PM
Once I get the new wheel I'm going to unhook everything and see how well the wheel spins, maybe it's bent. I went to Dick's Sporting Goods today to get some hunting supplies and checked out a new Martin Bonecrusher with the cable guard, the idler looks identical to mine.....string off to the far left and cable off to the far right. Since finding this out makes me wonder if it is the CCS, I just don't know. I'm going to mess with the y-cable and see what adjustments I can get. This is the second week of hunting season and I don't want to send the bow to Martin for repair.

What about a "shoot through" system?

riesopje
10-02-2009, 01:40 PM
Let me know what the problem is. I have the same bow w/o the css, just a cable guard and am having a very tough time tuning it. I've tried everything and nobody seems to know what's wrong.

Dave308
10-02-2009, 02:05 PM
I'll try to help out here so if I'm wrong someone correct me.

When taking the lean out of the top wheel you need to make sure there is no lean at full draw. Do this by twisting the Y cable so it's shorter on the opposite side its leaning. When it is straight it looks like the string will come off the wheel but it will not.

Here is a pic. of what my Moab looks like. Notice how the string rubbing the wheel. This is why it would be a good idea to serve it or just replace it with custom strings and cables. I've been shooting this bow like this for a few months and have had no string wear yet.

AdamA
10-02-2009, 03:35 PM
Thanks for the info guys, I'm going to mess around with it tonight. I know that when I got it I noticed the string off to the left at rest but when I would draw the bow back it looked somewhat centered. However, I did not look at the cable and it's the one that worries me more than the string. I am going to be getting a custom string made but would like to get most of the kinks outta the bow before hand.

Spiker
10-02-2009, 06:42 PM
Do your cables cross above or below the ccs?

AdamA
10-02-2009, 06:54 PM
Hey Spiker,

well the cables come together side by side on top of the CCS and on the bottom of the CCS they start about 1/8" and go out from there. So I guess they don't actually cross more like come together. I wondered if they were switched it would make a difference.

Dave308
10-02-2009, 08:29 PM
Looking at the bow the way you shoot it, the cable should be on the left side.

AdamA
10-02-2009, 08:47 PM
Yes the cable is on the left side

Spiker
10-03-2009, 07:54 AM
Can you post a pic of the whole bow?

Dave308
10-03-2009, 08:51 AM
Here ya go.

AdamA
10-04-2009, 05:38 PM
I'll try to get some pics this week. Hoping to get my new idler wheel this week and see if that makes a difference.

Is this a common issue with Martin bows?

AdamA
10-09-2009, 07:40 PM
Just put the new idler wheel on this evening and the string/cable look the same. Sanded the spacers between the idler wheel down so the wheel spun freely. Seems kinda useless to put bearings in an idler wheel then cram in a couple spacers that don't allow the wheel to move freely....just my .02

So my question is........Does anyone out there have a Cheetah that the string/cable are on straight? If this is just the way they are than that's fine, I'll make sure I get plenty of serving on my new string/cable.

One last note, is the "Y" end of the cable suppose to cross and go to opposite sides? Example: Take the "Y" and move the left over the right.

brushrat
10-09-2009, 10:11 PM
Just put the new idler wheel on this evening and the string/cable look the same. Sanded the spacers between the idler wheel down so the wheel spun freely. Seems kinda useless to put bearings in an idler wheel then cram in a couple spacers that don't allow the wheel to move freely....just my .02

So my question is........Does anyone out there have a Cheetah that the string/cable are on straight? If this is just the way they are than that's fine, I'll make sure I get plenty of serving on my new string/cable.

One last note, is the "Y" end of the cable suppose to cross and go to opposite sides? Example: Take the "Y" and move the left over the right.

sounds like you just wrapped the right side of the cable too tightly and it is bunching up. You might have to take a couple twists out . As you are holding the bow, the string should ride pretty much down the center of the groove. Don't worry about the back of the idler ,as the string is being drawn away to provide fletching clearance and there is nothing you can do about that. Mines been looking like its going to jump the idler in the back for about 1 year now and hasn't yet...nor is there any string wear and it doesn't even have serving around the idler.:)

AdamA
10-10-2009, 06:49 AM
Brushrat: It's not that it's bunched up, it's more like if you took one end in your left hand and one in your right hand, took the one in your right and wrapped it around the one in your left hand then hooked it up.

Spiker
10-10-2009, 09:36 AM
How is your cam orientation? When the yoke starts to twist around itself it's because of the number of twists in the string. You can take a twist or two out of it as long as that doesn't put the cam rotation too far off.
I dont believe having it just overlapped once is going to cause any problem and if you are planning on changing strings then...

brushrat
10-10-2009, 11:45 AM
Brushrat: It's not that it's bunched up, it's more like if you took one end in your left hand and one in your right hand, took the one in your right and wrapped it around the one in your left hand then hooked it up.

you know what....after looking at your pics again (zoomed 250%) your string actually favors the right side of the groove. That is too many wraps on the right side of the cable yoke. Its your call, but if it was mine i would back off a few, especially because you have such a short ata bow. There could be a concern that the string could jump the back of the idler. The idea is to have the string favor the left side of the groove but NOT TOUCHING THE LIP. That would be the best compromise for a short ata bow. Don't get all hung up on having the string exactly parallel with an arrow laying accross the idler.

I would rather have strings that last more than 3 months and doesn't jump the track than to have "0" cam lean. Also keep your string waxed well in that area to not provide any leverage for the string to climb the track. After continued use the sharp edges on the idler will will wear down some and it won't be an issue.:)

timtim146
10-26-2009, 11:55 PM
Alright so i have a 09 cheetah but in camo and my cable/string is exactly the same. I was thinking that maybe the ccs that they have been putting on them is the wrong sie because everyones bows with the ccs look like this. I just hope we figure out what it is :] im getting vapor trail strings soon and im going to get the idler wheel and the ccs served up real nice lol