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rnfrazier
01-02-2010, 03:28 PM
I got the ata straightened out. The other problem I have is some serious cam lean at full draw. Any suggestions?

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-02-2010, 06:00 PM
This should be simple to fix. Just measure from axle to axle on both sides of the bow. Whichever side is longer, twist top and bottom cables on that side equally until the cams look right. :)

rnfrazier
01-02-2010, 06:09 PM
I don't have the lean until it is at full draw. i measured both sides of the bow and both sides measure 32 1/4

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-02-2010, 06:37 PM
Rnfrazier sorry I jumped the gun. I forgot that bow doesn't have split yoke cables. Unless you have play in your cams I would guess limb twist. Thats unless someone has more understanding about the problem.

rnfrazier
01-02-2010, 07:03 PM
is there anything i can do about that. the bow shoots great. I just dont like the lean

rnfrazier
01-02-2010, 07:13 PM
the limbs dont look twisted,just the cams leaning could the ccs be causing it?

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-02-2010, 08:09 PM
First, if there is any play at all in the cams, it will cause it to lean at full draw. You can check them for lean by putting an arrow against the string and the cam to see if it is straight.
Second, limb twist can be checked by removing the limb and laying it on a flat surface. It is not unusual in these newer bows to have either problem. But remember Martin covers most things. Lately I believe BFisher has been answering a lot of these same questions. :cool:

rnfrazier
01-02-2010, 08:18 PM
the too limb does look like its twisting a little that is why I am wondering if the ccs is causing it

Jake-the-snake
01-02-2010, 08:18 PM
Are you sure your just not seeing things? Lol what you should do is have someone with an arrow and when you pull back, have them set the arrow with the cam, so it follows the angle of the string... I had this same dilemma with my 08 firecat, but when I had someone do this for me, I realized its just how your holding the bow, and how you look at the cams :)

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-02-2010, 08:27 PM
Are you sure your just not seeing things? Lol what you should do is have someone with an arrow and when you pull back, have them set the arrow with the cam, so it follows the angle of the string... I had this same dilemma with my 08 firecat, but when I had someone do this for me, I realized its just how your holding the bow, and how you look at the cams :)

I have to agree with Jake the snake. It could be an optical illusion. Let's hope that's all it is.:D

bfisher
01-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Another way to check for a weak limb is to tear the bow down and swap the limbs from top to bottom and see if the cam lean stays with a particular limb. If the same limb is exhibiting the lean then maybe the limb is the problem.

copterdoc
01-04-2010, 04:03 PM
If it is only at full draw, it probably isn't a twisted limb. It could be, but I doubt it.

It isn't an optical illusion either.

The fact is, that ALL cams that have the cable tracks on only one side of the string track, do in fact lean at full draw.

It is simple physics. At brace, the cables and string are under just about equal tension. As the cables are reeled in by the cams, the string is given a mechanical advantage by the cams, and it's load decreases, as the cable load is compounded.

At full draw the string is only at about 10# to 15# of load, but the cables are at over 200# of load!

Since the force pulling the limbs together is now off center in the limb fork, the cams will lean towards the cable track side of the cam.

There is NOTHING you can do to change it. It is the way that the bow was designed to operate. If you don't like it, (and I don't blame you) buy a discontinued bow that has Nitrous cams and install the X modules and shoot-thru cable system.

RogerSr
01-04-2010, 06:51 PM
If it is only at full draw, it probably isn't a twisted limb. It could be, but I doubt it.

It isn't an optical illusion either.

The fact is, that ALL cams that have the cable tracks on only one side of the string track, do in fact lean at full draw.

It is simple physics. At brace, the cables and string are under just about equal tension. As the cables are reeled in by the cams, the string is given a mechanical advantage by the cams, and it's load decreases, as the cable load is compounded.

At full draw the string is only at about 10# to 15# of load, but the cables are at over 200# of load!

Since the force pulling the limbs together is now off center in the limb fork, the cams will lean towards the cable track side of the cam.

There is NOTHING you can do to change it. It is the way that the bow was designed to operate. If you don't like it, (and I don't blame you) buy a discontinued bow that has Nitrous cams and install the X modules and shoot-thru cable system.

Or buy a Bowtech with center pivot technology,that has center trac binary cams, that have a cable on both sides of the cam,with the string in the center, all my bows are Nitrous shoot through, or my bowtech Guardian that has center pivot tech. I will not shoot a bow with cam lean!
and I've been shooting them since 1957, bows that is, not compounds