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Haus
03-29-2010, 01:29 AM
just received my cat;
noticed a couple things...maybe they're trivial, but I figured its worth askin...
the cables are almost touching, I can just barely see a gap between them(1/32" maybe), is that how they should be?
I've read that some are rerouting one cable and flipping the slide....

string is also favoring to the left side of the cams(rh shooter side)....

no worries?

Montalaar
03-29-2010, 02:12 AM
At first measure your ATA and brace height and bring them to spec.

Where are the cables near to touching?

You do not need to reroute the cables. Just make sure that they are corssing somewhere around your grip area (under the cable slide). If they are barely touching there you can try to reverse the cable slide. Maybe this will help you.

Haus
03-29-2010, 04:38 PM
At first measure your ATA and brace height and bring them to spec.

Where are the cables near to touching?

You do not need to reroute the cables. Just make sure that they are corssing somewhere around your grip area (under the cable slide). If they are barely touching there you can try to reverse the cable slide. Maybe this will help you.

yes so we flipped the slide. They were crossing mid of the grip now they're crossing above, but they're not touching......thoughts?

41" ata 70lb DW at 32" DL - 295fps with 420 grain arrow
60lb DW - 275fps
- added a stab, Octane 11.5". bow feels dead in my hands now, balanced, might added a little more weight to get some forward rotation.
- added monsterjax to limbs, slightly noticeable reduction in noise
- added silencers to the string and one cable, helped noise quite a bit
- also noticed draw stop was set short, 31.5" so adjusted it to spec 32"

cam lean.....its over 5deg, should this be a concern? left message with Martin tech support regarding this, also want to verify specs with cat 2.0 cams...whether or not it should be different than the 1.5 specs.

Montalaar
03-29-2010, 11:15 PM
Specs for 2.0 are pretty okay. Don't worry about them.

I am not sure what we can do about your cam lean as my cams stand pretty solid and straight. I hope copterdoc or sceptermax will chime in. Or even bfisher. They have more experience with the CAT cam than me.

If you get better results with corssing them above the guard that is absolute okay.

TXN
03-30-2010, 06:25 AM
Just got my replacement Shadowcat with the CAT2 cams yesterday. I wont have much time to play with it until next week, so I can't give much of an opinion on it yet. However, I did notice something that immediately stood out to me when I first took it out of the box to check it out. The string is hitting to the left side of the STS, just left of the groove. It sort of catches there, momentarily, before settling down into the groove. It makes a twangy noise when it does this, so I don't like that at all, especially since this will be my hunting bow, and I would rather it be silent. Any ideas on why the string is out of alignment like this or how I might correct it?

Montalaar
03-30-2010, 06:47 AM
Hey.

Glad to hear that your Cat arrived!

The string is out of alignment as the cat cams string groove is quite a bit on the left side of the center.

You should be able to adjust the rubber stob by turning the string stop!

TXN
03-30-2010, 09:07 AM
So just turning it should be enough to get it in alignment with the string? I'm at work now and won't be able to try it until I get home tonight, but I'll try that and will let you know if it helps. Thanks

Spiker
03-30-2010, 01:33 PM
Just loosen the set screw and adjust the rod to center of the string and about a credit card distance from the string.
Retighten the set screw.

Haus
03-31-2010, 11:33 AM
So just turning it should be enough to get it in alignment with the string? I'm at work now and won't be able to try it until I get home tonight, but I'll try that and will let you know if it helps. Thanks

So when I went into the proshop yesterday where I bought my cat I noticed the string is off center of the STS on all of them. The proshop tech wanted to adjust mine closer to the string but can't, its already back as far as it will go it seems and we couldn't get it to line up with string evenly. :(


As for my cam lean seems I'm just an overly nervous buyer. All the Cat 2.0 Martins at the proshop had the same amount of lean as mine. Waiting on a call back from Martin tech today about the specs with the Cat 2.0 cam's for ATA/BH.

Martin Tech did say not to worry about how close my strings were, said so long as I can get a piece of paper between them its good, which I can so no worries there either.

One thing I forgot to ask the tech was.....well when your bows in the press have you guys noticed that you can wiggle the cams? Is that normal?

Montalaar
03-31-2010, 11:55 AM
Mine cam full of washers but i believe i missed a washer at the upper limb. I had a gap of around 2mm (not sure about that but that should be aroudn 1/12"). I will put some of my backup-washer in there.

Haus
03-31-2010, 12:07 PM
Mine cam full of washers but i believe i missed a washer at the upper limb. I had a gap of around 2mm (not sure about that but that should be aroudn 1/12"). I will put some of my backup-washer in there.

hmm...we noticed it is just the bottom cam not the top...possibly a washer was missed on install then?

Haus
03-31-2010, 01:46 PM
CAT 2.0 Cam'd Shadowcat specs from Martin Tech:
40 1/2" ATA
7.75" BH

which is where mines at now, wew :D

Montalaar
04-01-2010, 12:04 AM
I forgot on which cam i missed the spacer. But my whole bow was a custom made thing so maybe my pro shop just forgot to put it in there.

Montalaar
04-01-2010, 06:26 AM
Hey, TXN. Could you please post a pic of the lower cam rotation?

Oh, and please tell me your string length..

TXN
04-01-2010, 06:46 AM
I'm at work right now, but will try to get a photo for you tonight

Montalaar
04-01-2010, 06:54 AM
Thanks.

My limbs came today and i just put all together. It is quite hard to judge from the manual if the Cams are okay as the module is in a weird position at my bow. Oh, as an alternative you could just measure the length of the groove from string to end of the string groove on top and bottom cam. That might be even more precise. :D

TXN
04-01-2010, 08:00 AM
Without having the bow in front of me, I'm trying to visualize what you say. Do you mean to measure from where the string is touching the cam in the groove to the end of the part of the groove that has no string in it?

Montalaar
04-01-2010, 08:03 AM
Right! Nice that you understood me. :)

TXN
04-01-2010, 10:55 AM
I got off of work early today, so I came home and tried to measure this for you. I wasn't quite sure how to measure it, so I got a piece of string that is about the same diameter as the bow string and I fed it into the groove, up to where the string is, and then marked where the end of the groove is and then got the measurement from that. On both the upper and lower, it came to exactly 1/2 inch. I hope I did that correctly. If it doesn't sound right, let me know how to measure and I'll try again.

Montalaar
04-01-2010, 11:10 AM
Thanks, sounds exactly like the way my cams are rotated.

I just thought that they are way under or overrotated but they are not. My own explanation si that the picture in the manual shows the CAT cam with the module at a very short setting. Compared to my cam with the module at the longest setting it looks a bit... confusing.

Okay, so this is what i have got:

41.3" ATA
Max draw of 32.5" (now set to 31.8 with approx 30% LetOff)
I have currently 1M limbs on it. When maxed out they give me approx 62lbs of draw weight. This information might be itneresting to anyone who is planning to convert their bow between CAT2 and CAT1.5:
Changing the Cam size does NOT affect the poundage! Or at least around 2 or 3 lbs!

I will try to take some photos today but it is already dark so it may take me some time but i will post them.

TXN
04-01-2010, 12:09 PM
One of the reasons that I had to have my Shadowcat replaced was because Martin said that the only thing useable after changing from the 1.5 to CAT2 cams would be the riser. They told me that it just made more sense for them to replace the entire bow because, in addition to the new cams, it would need new strings, cables, and limbs. They said that simply converting from the 1.5 to the 2.0 cams without installing new limbs would change the poundage.

Montalaar
04-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Actually the poundage would drop. But only around 2 or 3 pounds. Nothing i would care too much about as i never shoot my bows with limb bolts maxed out anyway.

I edited my last post and added this information.

JayBArchery
04-02-2010, 06:57 AM
My shadow cat came with the cables crossing on top of the cable guard so does it matter?? also should they come with set screws in the limb bolt hole to secure it from moving, mine did not. Does any one know what size it would take??

XSpot
04-02-2010, 05:58 PM
I am using Bohning cabel slide they will not touch. They are 1\8 from touching be sure to clean out the mold marks on inside of the cabel slide so it does not ware on the cabels ,use a round file until mold marks are gone.

bfisher
04-03-2010, 04:44 AM
My shadow cat came with the cables crossing on top of the cable guard so does it matter?? also should they come with set screws in the limb bolt hole to secure it from moving, mine did not. Does any one know what size it would take??

JB, the bows don't come with set screws to secure the limbs. Usually they don't move, but every once in a while it does happen. Anyway, the thread size is 1/4X20. I would look for setscrews with a nylon or brass tip on them so you don't mess up the threads on the limb bolt.

JayBArchery
04-05-2010, 10:43 AM
I rerouted the cables and turned my cable slide around, know my cables cross on the bottom or below the cable rod and i have plenty of clearence between the cables.

Montalaar
04-07-2010, 11:31 AM
Yesterday and today i shot my 'new' ShadowCat.

I must admit that i am really proud of my own strings. There was a bit peep rotation during the first approx 20 shots but now it is rock solid. No movement at all. I had a bit of serving separation but i simply reserved the area around the STS and everything is fine now. I also like the combo of blue and red. Maybe i will psot some pictures in my strings thread.


BUT i have to say that i want my Razor back. lol.

The Shadowcat already robin hooded half a dozen arrows in two days. It is killing my GoldTips!

alex
04-07-2010, 02:32 PM
Simon, haven't you seen The Mythbusters? RobinHood shots are impossible and you have six of them? ... ;) :D Glad you like your new bow and would like to see some photos.

Montalaar
04-10-2010, 11:49 AM
Photos of the string will follow later. I just took that one yesterday in the backyard..

alex
04-10-2010, 12:26 PM
Awesome! It has a kind of techno look :) What about a Youtube bowshooting video?

Montalaar
04-10-2010, 12:31 PM
Awesome! It has a kind of techno look :) What about a Youtube bowshooting video?

I will do one when our FITA range is ready to use and the conditions are good. I cannot promise when everything will fit. But it will. Sometime. :)

alex
04-10-2010, 01:21 PM
:D At least you have an archery range. I shoot in the backyard - the longest distance is 15 yards. Can't wait for the summer holidays and the open fields in the mountains. I can shoot up to 200 or more metres. The only problem is that now i have 4 bows and it'll be hard to choose which one to take :D

Haus
04-12-2010, 08:23 AM
Bottom limb went "cccccccccrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk" yesterday :(
I have shot maybe 200 arrows through the thing....opener for turkey is Thursday. grumble grumble :(
Love the bow too, so dang accurate. I hope Martin responds quickly, called and left a vm with warranty dept. this morning...waiting......

Montalaar
04-12-2010, 09:58 AM
Where did it crack?

Haus
04-12-2010, 10:05 AM
Where did it crack?

right up the middle from the cut in for the cam. Martin tech already responded, new limbs on the way should be here tomorrow. Good customer service....check! :)

Montalaar
04-12-2010, 10:16 AM
Same here.

Great cs indeed. :)

Haus
04-12-2010, 10:25 AM
Same here.

Great cs indeed. :)

Have you heard of any other shadowcats cracking? You have 2.0 cams too right? They said they're using limbs specific for the 2.0's, not same as the limbs for the 1.5's.

Montalaar
04-12-2010, 10:40 AM
Do they? That is new to time.

I have a set of Pantera limbs on my bow at this moment, lol.

I have large Cams, too. Mine was the first ShadowCat ever with large cams that broke.

Haus
04-13-2010, 02:41 PM
Do they? That is new to time.

I have a set of Pantera limbs on my bow at this moment, lol.

I have large Cams, too. Mine was the first ShadowCat ever with large cams that broke.
the shop that works on my cat has several martins that have come back in with limbs that are cracked just like mine. Not shadowcats either. Someone must have got sick of their job in the limb production dept. haha.

What stabalizer do you use? I really like the Octane 11.5" I'm using it works very well, but its just not heavy enough. Any recommendations? Bare the bow had a lot of backwards rotation. full setup I still have some. Was thinking of adding weight to the Octane, but I don't know where to get weights that would fit.

Haus
04-23-2010, 06:47 PM
Completely new Shadowcat coming to me after the second limb issue occurred. This one will have updated limbs on it, givin' me a full camo version with the cloaked cams too :) Hope to have it by the end of next week or shortly there after. Joel's been keeping me updated on the progress. The customer service has continued to be excellent as expected. I'm happy to see how responsive they've been to this issue, both to me directly and publicly on AT.

You were right about the ATA/BH bein' "way off" Montalaar. I'm sure this plus my DL contributed to exposing the limb weakness. I'm assuming the rest should be fine, haven't heard but a few reports about the same failure. Those bows may of had the same setup issue who knows. Either way they're certainly covering all the bases :D Will be interesting to see how the new limbs perform. Curious as to the speed we'll get, 295 with a 420g stock length arrow wasn't too shabby by any means :D

Montalaar
04-24-2010, 12:20 AM
Can you make a picture of the new limbs when you receive them?

I am on my second set of limbs now and i do not see a possibility to get a set of new limbs soon.

Montalaar
04-24-2010, 03:09 AM
I have to correct..

I have no working Cat any longer.

Haus
04-25-2010, 09:40 AM
I have to correct..

I have no working Cat any longer.

what happened?

Montalaar
04-25-2010, 10:38 AM
Same thing as what happend to yours. ;)

alex
04-26-2010, 12:52 AM
Oh, Simon, sorry to hear this....again. :( May be it'd be better to take the 1.5CATs and use a 2 inch d-loop. Obviously the bow can't handle the 2.0 cams. Or somehow shorten your DL ;)

Montalaar
04-26-2010, 02:35 AM
Oh well...

A 2" loop? And what to do with my reference points in my face? ;)

When haus will get the new Cat with the new limbs we will get some clarification. There will be no new limbs for me until Haus got his set and is without problems. :)

Haus
04-26-2010, 12:13 PM
Oh, Simon, sorry to hear this....again. :( May be it'd be better to take the 1.5CATs and use a 2 inch d-loop. Obviously the bow can't handle the 2.0 cams. Or somehow shorten your DL ;)

haha :D 2 inch loop, that's awesome.

Haus
04-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Oh well...

A 2" loop? And what to do with my reference points in my face? ;)

When haus will get the new Cat with the new limbs we will get some clarification. There will be no new limbs for me until Haus got his set and is without problems. :)

guinea pigs-r-us haha. I'll keep you posted Montalaar. Crossin my fingers for a delivery this week!

Montalaar
04-26-2010, 12:42 PM
Finger crossed, too.
I need to know what changes with your Cat and what your new limbs look like before i will call my shop again. He already is informed about the cracked limb but we agree that we will first wait and see what happens to your Cat (i told him about your case.. ).

alex
04-26-2010, 11:38 PM
2 inch loop or shortening your arms, you decide which one you prefer ;) You guys have grown too much :D As for the anchor points, Simon, i guess you can change them - when finger shooting i use the corner of my mouth and the tip of my nose and when using a release only the end of the jaw and there isn't much difference. Of course you are more "professional" archer then me (i don't seek high accuracy) and it probably won't work for you, but at least can give it a try. Good luck and keep as informed!

Montalaar
05-06-2010, 01:19 PM
bump.

Give me an update haus. Is everything working? ;)

Haus
05-06-2010, 01:30 PM
bump.

Give me an update haus. Is everything working? ;)

your timings impeccable....I just received an email from Martin, said the bow is on its way :D Likely it could show up tomorrow I'm guessing, Monday at the latest.

Montalaar
05-06-2010, 09:48 PM
I hope so! ;)

Because i still have no limbs and nothing heard, neither from martin nor from my pro shop.

Haus
05-08-2010, 03:12 PM
I hope so! ;)

Because i still have no limbs and nothing heard, neither from martin nor from my pro shop.

The icing on the cake...get this;

The bow arrives at 29" draw length, it doesn't even have the updated limbs on it and the strings installed improperly. The limbs are of the same design, but numbered differently so I think they're maybe 60lb limbs instead of 70lbs, because when you draw the bow back the start leaning a ton.

I received the call with this information from my buddy at the pro shop on Friday, he'd already made the call to Martin. They are sending the correct limbs, should be here by Tuesday.

Can you believe this? I mean after all thats happened already this is what I received. ridiculous.

Montalaar
05-10-2010, 01:00 AM
Just came off the phone with my pro shop.

They should have received my new limbs already two weeks ago. That makes me wonder where they could be right now.

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Montalaar
06-05-2010, 05:13 AM
Just as a small notice:

I got the new limbs this morning. Instead of barnsdale limbs i received a new set of the standard Martin limbs. Along with them came a string set with slightly different lengths. This is the third time they have changed it and i will see how long they will hold.

New specs are:
ShadowCat 2.0 63.5 Shooting String, 48 Cables
(that is 1/8" shorter string and 2" longer cable)

To get 60# out of the bow i need 3M limbs instead of 1M now.
The new limbs already have slighty marks along the limb tips, so let's see how tough they are build.

Montalaar
07-16-2010, 07:02 AM
I got new modules in the mail today. Since i got the ShadowCat i had some older modules from 2008 and 2009 on it. I just exchanged the modules and put on the new all black 2010 modules. I had no time to draw it back but those modules are freaking different!?

Only by looking at the module i can say that they have a much smoother rollover from the plateau to the valley and a slighty more aggressive part from start to plateau. Great!

Montalaar
07-16-2010, 09:33 AM
I just draw the bow and i have to admit:

Wow. The new modules make the bow way smoother than it was before. No harsh draw cycle any longer. Now the whole bow feels much more like a target bow and less like the speed demon it felt before. I really appreciate that.

Destroyer
07-16-2010, 06:29 PM
I just draw the bow and i have to admit:

Wow. The new modules make the bow way smoother than it was before. No harsh draw cycle any longer.

Any speed difference?

Montalaar
07-16-2010, 09:47 PM
No chrono available. Maybe i will see a difference when i set my sight for 30m and will hit low. ;)

Montalaar
07-17-2010, 11:00 AM
Shot the bow today in the backyard.

The valley is somewhat reduced. No really hump anymore but very smooth instead - for a speed cam type. With the draw stop set at the same position i got a lower let-off, too. Had to tune the bow a bit to get it all to my preferred settings again. :)

ezbite
07-17-2010, 02:31 PM
HOLY CRAP!! ive been looking for a shadowcat to shoot with fingers, but now with all the problems ive read about in this thread i might just forget that idea. do you guys think your problems are comming from your incredible draw length? im pushing hard to pull it 28", do you think ill have these same problems? should i just forget it?

Montalaar
07-17-2010, 10:34 PM
I just pulled this thread because i did not want to start a new one.

Haus has no ShadowCat any longer, i think he got a Hoyt instead. I am quite happy with my third set of limbs.

Yes, the problems that occured were related to our draw length. As an archer with 28" you will experience zero problems. Even with a longer draw length all problems should have been solved now. Thanks to my role as a guinea pig.

Destroyer
07-17-2010, 10:55 PM
No chrono available. Maybe i will see a difference when i set my sight for 30m and will hit low. ;)

Bugger! Not really that important though. It would be interesting to get some accurate fps readings when they change the cams. I find it fascinating how they can improve the smoothness of the draw and still improve the speed.

I like the lower reflex of the Shadow Cat, should make it a more stable bow.

Montalaar
07-18-2010, 12:38 AM
The ShadowCat is a very stable bow. It is just a bit on the heavy side. :)

alex
07-18-2010, 05:14 AM
Simon, have you measured how much it weights with all the accessories on? I've just measured my Perfect Line compound with the red dot sight and the 14" homemade stabilizer on and it is over 6# :D I can give only about 30 shots and need a little break, especially when the temperatures here are 35 Celsius now.

Montalaar
07-18-2010, 06:29 AM
I'd guess it is somewhere around 6 or 8lbs with everything installed. :)

alex
07-18-2010, 07:17 AM
Yeah, it's on the heavy side ... but luckily you are a big boy :D I wonder how a female archer can handle it.

Montalaar
07-18-2010, 10:39 AM
I would say that female archers do not put that mich weight on it. My three stabilizer are full of weights and dampening stuff. Not necessary at all but i like the feel. Unfortunately i must admit that it is a bit on the heavy side for me, too. At least at this time of the year when i can not practice at all.

alex
07-18-2010, 11:04 AM
That's not good. Do you still have exams in the university? Quite unpleasant.

Montalaar
07-18-2010, 12:42 PM
Yeah, until mid of August. Then i have some weeks without anything and around mid of sept everything will start over again. :)

alex
07-18-2010, 12:54 PM
:eek: Here we have a summer vacation in my university from the second week of July to the 1st of October and others (like the American university) are free from May to midseptember. You are slaves of the science :D

Montalaar
07-18-2010, 01:12 PM
I may am. Really. But i live for 'Make science not war'. :)

Destroyer
07-18-2010, 09:32 PM
It is just a bit on the heavy side.

Same weight as my Pantera. Sometimes feels very heavy but its not really. My old Hoyt Provantage was much hevier. And on that bow I had a 10 arrow Martin Super quiver full of arrows to carry around.

A 3.5 lbs bow would be nice though. ;)

Montalaar
07-18-2010, 10:18 PM
That is right. Everytime i have a Hoyt in my hands i am surprised how heavy a bow can be! Even with less weights installed i am not able to keep my bowarm extended for longer than a few seconds. No problem with the ShadowCat though.