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AlleInsGold
05-31-2010, 06:31 AM
hello from Germany,

Im back, because I wanna change my recurve to a compund.

I shot since 5 month and have 26lbs on my recurve.

Looking for a new bow I see, that the most bows are starting with 50 or 60lbs. This is finally to strong for me! I need 30 lbs for starting learning compound.

Is there a posibility by martin bows?

I like to pay max € 450,00 without any supplies.

Cheers
Di

Montalaar
05-31-2010, 10:54 AM
Wow. You raised your financial limit! ;)
It is no problem to make a custom order and get a bow with less drawweight. Depending on the model and configurations you can get bows with around 30lbs max.

Auf gut deutsch:
Nein, das ist kein Problem. Je nach Bogen kommst du auf 30lbs runter. Das hängt aber von der Cam und der Gesamtgeometrie ab. 40lbs sollten aber in jedem Fall möglich sein und da du die WA um 15lbs runterdrehen kannst wäre auch das noch für dich machbar.

Mit 450€ kommst du ja nun immerhin schon ein wenig weiter.

Destroyer
05-31-2010, 07:18 PM
Buy a 50lbs bow and back the weight down to the minimum (about 35lbs). Most beginners I have seen handle at least 40lbs on a compound.

AlleInsGold
05-31-2010, 10:28 PM
Wow. You raised your financial limit! ;)
It is no problem to make a custom order and get a bow with less drawweight. Depending on the model and configurations you can get bows with around 30lbs max.



Buy a 50lbs bow and back the weight down to the minimum (about 35lbs). Most beginners I have seen handle at least 40lbs on a compound.

Hi,
I take a look on the homepage of martin an read the data of the different models. But I didn't find some which are possible to pull down with 15lbs. To buy a 50lbs an roll back to 35lbs would be exactly the right one. So I can start with a weight I can draw and I can use it later If I strong enough for 50lbs (so in 5-10 years :D ) and had not to pay a new one again.

Please give me a link of the model with pulldown option of 15lbs.

ANd understand I right: Custom bow means they build it only for me? Or should I make this with a seller here in Germany.

Cheer from Germany, the land where the president step down if he say the truth about German fighting soldiers in foreign lands.

Di

alex
06-01-2010, 12:55 AM
Every Martin bow can be lowered with 15lbs, but i don't think you should buy very light one unless you have some problems with your back or shoulders. By the way- Greetings from Bulgaria, a country where the president never steps down even when he is caught with a schoolgirl :D

bfisher
06-01-2010, 07:03 AM
As mentioned, all Martin bows can be backed off 15#. In many cases they can be backed off a lot more than that, although I wouldn't do so for any extended period of time.

As an example, a few years ago I was having some shoulder problems and had to back my bow down. It was a 2007 Pantera with Nitrous cams, special ordered to max at 55#. When the shoulder problems hit me I had to back it down to 27# for a few months till I built back up. It took me nearly a year to get back up to 35# during which time I sold it and got my 2008 FireCat.

The point is you could get one with 50# limbs and easily shoot it at 30# for a while till you get the feel of the bow and start adding weight a little at a time.

Montalaar
06-01-2010, 08:55 AM
Every Martin bow on the page is available at 50lbs. The only one german pro shop can build you the bow you like with 50lbs, just ask them.
Just find out which bow you want to get and let them put 50lbs-limbs on it. Then let them turn the weight down to 35lbs and enjoy it.

AD kann dir den Bogen mit 50lbs ohne Probleme liefern. Bei fast allen Bögen auf der Hauptseite sind im übrigen auch 50lbs mit angegeben, das ist nicht mal ein custom-order.

Du musst nur herausfinden welchen Bogen du haben willst und ihn dir mit 50lbs bauen lassen. Dann auf 35lbs runterdrehen - sofern du das ziehen kannst - und dann ist doch alles im Lot.

duffy
06-01-2010, 03:18 PM
hello from Germany,

Im back, because I wanna change my recurve to a compund.

I shot since 5 month and have 26lbs on my recurve.

Looking for a new bow I see, that the most bows are starting with 50 or 60lbs. This is finally to strong for me! I need 30 lbs for starting learning compound.

Is there a posibility by martin bows?

I like to pay max € 450,00 without any supplies.

Cheers
Di

not sure of prices, if you have a shorter draw length i would recommend martins smaller bows cheetah etc, i would personally recommend the firecat pro-x, bit longer than the cheetah and very quick duo cams, so if you get 35-50lb bow, it will be quicker with the duo cams rather than their single cam bows, so you wont have to push yourself by increasing the poundage. had a couple of their bows and find they are very well pricved and very good bows compared to other brands that sell for double the price, good luck choosing your bow

Destroyer
06-01-2010, 09:28 PM
Bulgaria, a country where the president never steps down even when he is caught with a schoolgirl

Sounds like my kind of country :D

AlleInsGold
06-01-2010, 11:16 PM
ok, thx @ all:

I resume:

I should take a bow with 50lbs an ask my seller to turn the weight down to 35lbs. (Why can't I do that on myself?)

And I should choose a bow with duo cams (But I don't understand why...)

Is there one model of matin exspecialy known for beginner? Some friendly (and very patient) guy give me the advice to take a bow with a axle length over 34'')

alex
06-02-2010, 12:14 AM
Sounds like my kind of country :D

:D Believe me, it's not......... The fun ends too soon. The owner of the site which published this information was beaten with sledgehammers and now he is in a wheelchair, of course noone is arrested.

alex
06-02-2010, 12:28 AM
ok, thx @ all:

I resume:

I should take a bow with 50lbs an ask my seller to turn the weight down to 35lbs. (Why can't I do that on myself?)

And I should choose a bow with duo cams (But I don't understand why...)

Is there one model of matin exspecialy known for beginner? Some friendly (and very patient) guy give me the advice to take a bow with a axle length over 34'')

1. You can do it yourself - just need an Allen wrench - 5 full turns of the limb bolts will give you the 15# less. You must make one turn on each bolt one after another (hope i use the correct English in this sentence :D )
2. I'd recommend NOT to take a duo cam bow, because it's harder for begginers. The only advantage you can have with it is the faster speed with the lower poundage.
3. It'll be very hard to find a modern compound bow for begginers with longer axle-to-axle. Martin don't have one. Their long A2A bows are expensive and i think are better for experienced archers. 2 years ago when i've started compound bow shooting i took first a cheap Perfect Line bow with 41 inches A2A to get used to this type of bows (i still shoot it with fingers only) and then bought my MOAB which i believe is perfect for begginers (but not absolute :) )

Destroyer
06-02-2010, 06:07 AM
The owner of the site which published this information was beaten with sledgehammers and now he is in a wheelchair, of course no
one is arrested.

That's terrible! Thought you were just being funny. Not my sort of country :(

Destroyer
06-02-2010, 06:45 AM
Some friendly (and very patient) guy give me the advice to take a bow with a axle length over 34'')

Depends on you draw length. It has been said that you are better off going for at least 33" ATA on a bow if your draw length is over 28". Short bows with long draw lengths can have acute string angles at the nock which can make shooting a bit harder, a bit more critical on form & tune.

My recommendation is to choose a bow by letting your budget decide it for you. Factor in the total cost including accessories and see what you can afford.

And I would get the harder cams too. The reason? Speed. Alex is right that a beginner will have a harder time but you will get use to them (eventually), especially at 35lbs. At 70lbs........it would be a bad idea ;)

Montalaar
06-02-2010, 12:33 PM
1. You can do it yourself - just need an Allen wrench - 5 full turns of the limb bolts will give you the 15# less. You must make one turn on each bolt one after another (hope i use the correct English in this sentence :D )
2. I'd recommend NOT to take a duo cam bow, because it's harder for begginers. The only advantage you can have with it is the faster speed with the lower poundage.
3. It'll be very hard to find a modern compound bow for begginers with longer axle-to-axle. Martin don't have one. Their long A2A bows are expensive and i think are better for experienced archers. 2 years ago when i've started compound bow shooting i took first a cheap Perfect Line bow with 41 inches A2A to get used to this type of bows (i still shoot it with fingers only) and then bought my MOAB which i believe is perfect for begginers (but not absolute :) )

1. I recommend to lt your shop do this so he can show you what to do and explain it to you. He will make this for free so why do not use the service when buying a bow?

2. I agree with Alex here. You do not need a Hybrid Cam bow. The Cams are much harder to draw and need some extra time to get set up once you change something. I know that you want to bowhunt in the far future but you will need a new bow then. It is much more important to get a proper shooting form at your stage of archery instead of getting the most speed out of a bow.

3. That is right. There is no long ATA bow from Martin within your price range. I just checked the lineup of the german pro shop that you have visited several times. You can get a Bengal in camo for approx. 380€. In my opinion this is the only bow within your limits that has a decent ATA and good Quality. I owned one some two years ago and liked it.

duffy
06-02-2010, 03:37 PM
1. You can do it yourself - just need an Allen wrench - 5 full turns of the limb bolts will give you the 15# less. You must make one turn on each bolt one after another (hope i use the correct English in this sentence :D )
2. I'd recommend NOT to take a duo cam bow, because it's harder for begginers. The only advantage you can have with it is the faster speed with the lower poundage.
3. It'll be very hard to find a modern compound bow for begginers with longer axle-to-axle. Martin don't have one. Their long A2A bows are expensive and i think are better for experienced archers. 2 years ago when i've started compound bow shooting i took first a cheap Perfect Line bow with 41 inches A2A to get used to this type of bows (i still shoot it with fingers only) and then bought my MOAB which i believe is perfect for begginers (but not absolute :) )

moab is a very good bow, very forgiving for a beginer, i mentioned the duo cams of the speed factor once wound up to 50lbs wouldnt need to buy a 60lb bow, dont think martin make the moab, you may see it 2nd hand but i dint when looking for my first compound, heard that the tr1 is a direct replacement!! good luck finding your bow

Montalaar
06-03-2010, 01:00 AM
The TR1 exceeds his budget. Beside the Bengal/Cheetah/Leopard all of the Martin bows cost around 550 - 560€. In this case i would give the advice to buy a Warthog as it has a good ATA. Nonetheless, that is all to expensive.

Destroyer
06-03-2010, 11:11 PM
Is eBay a decent choice there? Sounds pretty expensive.

Montalaar
06-04-2010, 08:54 AM
No.

And bows are quite expensive here, that is right. They cost the same as in the US. But with a € instead of a $..