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cridertj
07-06-2010, 04:31 PM
I was reading on another thread of someone having trouble with their bow after martin worked on it and I thought I was alone. I sent my warthog in because of limb problems and lack of speed. They put all new '10 limbs and cams on it and with the limb bolts all the way down and my 385gr arrows with 29" draw length I was getting 310 out of it compared to 290 I was getting before. still seems a little low to me but maybe not I can live with that but when I put my Qad hunter rest on it and my haa sights to paper tune it I had a real bad right tare vain to the right of the tip. By the time I got it shooting straight I am about 1/2"of center of the factory rest on the grip and when I shoot it I can see the arrow moving around allot. I am shooting 5575 xt hunters with 100 gr tips. was wondering if you all had any advice also I am wondering if it sounds right that with the limb bolts all the way in I hardley get 70 lbs were before I got around 75-76? I am in no way trying to talk bad about martin I have just thought it was me and have been trying everything to get it to fly right. My arrows are hitting pretty good just not grouping as good as I was before.

gibson 787
07-06-2010, 05:20 PM
What is the code written on the limbs?

Destroyer
07-06-2010, 07:43 PM
paper tune it I had a real bad right tare vain to the right of the tip

Try raising your nocking point just to see and check for collisions with the rest. The 5575's (.340) would be under spined with cams @ 70lbs any way.

bfisher
07-07-2010, 10:41 AM
Try raising your nocking point just to see and check for collisions with the rest. The 5575's (.340) would be under spined with cams @ 70lbs any way.

Actually I was going mto say that the 5575 are underspined for your setup, but be aware that they are not a .340 spine. They are a 400 spine. You would be well off to shoot the 7595 Gold Tip, which is 340, if you want to stay with GT or drop the bow weight down to about 65# or maybe even less.

Destroyer
07-07-2010, 09:05 PM
they are not a .340 spine. They are a 400 spine.

Yeah my bad. Keep forgetting their rather stupid model numbering.

bfisher
07-08-2010, 02:54 PM
Yeah my bad. Keep forgetting their rather stupid model numbering.

Don't blame you. I think it's stupid, too. The 5575 is supposed to designate the weight you can shoot them at, but nothing says at what length or point weight, etc. And this designation came about long before these very aggressive cams we have today.

Frankly the only company that's has it right is Easton/Beman and the Gold Tip Ultralites. They have the spine deflection rating. The ATA should step in on this and make it a standard practice to put the actual deflection on the arrow and advertise them as such. It's way too confusing for new people. Us old timers have a hard enough time, but at least we know how to figure it all out---eventually.

Destroyer
07-08-2010, 08:22 PM
The ATA should step in on this and make it a standard practice to put the actual deflection on the arrow and advertise them as such.

Great idea. ;)

cridertj
07-10-2010, 10:05 AM
thanks for the replies and thanks for caching me on the gold tip and my son thanks you because he just got 6 more arrows.i got some new victory 350 i hope these are right and paper tuned again and got same results with the tare. my limbs are marked 5LC 5/10. it did help my groups with the right arrows though, could my form be causing the bad tares?

Spiker
07-10-2010, 12:03 PM
Form could for sure cause bad tears in paper.
Have you shot field tips and broadheads out of it ? - if you hunt.
If so, I would adjust the centershot and rest height to get the bh and fp to impact the same. If that works, dont worry about paper.
Not sure if I understand in your last post about the centershot distance.
If the center of your arrow is only 1/2" out from the riser - you should move the rest out to about 7/8"-15/16" and see how it shoots.

Destroyer
07-10-2010, 11:54 PM
got some new victory 350 i hope these are right

The victory 350's are .350 spine and are too light still. You need to be looking at .300 spine for 70# @ 29" with a hard cam. I'm using .340 spine on my Pantera @ 70# 29.5" and just spine ok with 100 grain heads. This is with the older M-Pro cam which is a very mild cam.



could my form be causing the bad tares?

Like Spiker said, bad form can make bad tears too. You should get some tears that are right even with bad form if the spine is correct.

cridertj
07-11-2010, 04:24 AM
looking at the victory site the 350 should be good up to 72 lbs at 29" is this not corect for my set up?

Destroyer
07-12-2010, 03:48 AM
Take the chart as a recommendation but not as gospel. Go to 73# and the chart recommends a 300. One or two pounds won't make that much of a difference but it does on the chart.

Have you been more successful tuning your bow with the 350's?

cridertj
07-12-2010, 02:13 PM
Take the chart as a recommendation but not as gospel. Go to 73# and the chart recommends a 300. One or two pounds won't make that much of a difference but it does on the chart.

Have you been more successful tuning your bow with the 350's?

they have really tuned about the same so i turned the bow down to 65 and still tuning about the same place maybe it is just me?

Destroyer
07-13-2010, 03:56 PM
It could be. I'd try going to 60# if possible to see what happens. At 60# the .350's should be ok, should see an improvement any way. This will also make it a bit easier for you to shoot well.

cridertj
07-20-2010, 05:44 PM
I Think I am going to give up on trying to tune this bow and get it close and go with it. know mater what i do i get left tear I even went out and bought another dozen arrow to see if it will help but got same results It may be my form but I had it tuned before so Im not sure but thanks for all the help.

Destroyer
07-20-2010, 11:20 PM
Sorry to hear that the new shafts didn't help. The only thing I can think of is still a collision or rest timing (failure?) problem, easy to check if you have another rest. But yes, in the end all we can do is get it as close as possible and just shoot the thing.