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bfisher
07-08-2010, 03:53 PM
Well, I stuck my foot in my mouth so I have to do this. A short review of my Alien Z. First a touch of history.

I ordered the bow Nov 6th. After much waiting and a few phone calls I finally got it via UPS on May 22nd. Out of the bow I noticed right away that it wasn't as ordered. Had camo limbs instead of black/carbon. Also that it had Hybrix 2.0 cams which would not make my short draw length. A Phone call or two and three weeks later I had it together.

Instead of the usual black powder coat it has a carbon weave film dip on the riser. Not what I expected but it does look nice. There are a few small imperfections in the finish, but not noticable unless you look. Barnesdale limbs in carbon weave are very nice, just as you'd expect from Barnesdale. Stone Mt, string and cables colored silver and fl. green to match the "Alien" theme. So far so good.

I set it up with a Trophy Taker spring steel rest, .008 blade and the sight is presently a Spott Hogg Hogg-It with .019 pins. The peep is a Specialty hooded Superball with a 1/4" #5 Verifier lens so I can see those pins. Stabilizer is a 12" AEP mounted ona 10 degree down knuckle. One tied-on nockset and that's it.

Shooting the bow is a dream. It draws, aims and holds very well for me. Actually draws easier than my FireCat. At the shot the bow makes a kind of dull metallic clunk and just stops. No vibration or anything. The bow just sits there. Almost reminds me of closing the door on a new vehicle. It just stops with a very solid feel. I was going to get a custom wrist sling to match the string colors, but it's not needed so why spend the money and clutter it up. You know -----KISS.

I did try to bare shaft this thing and it won't do it. No matter what I do any spined arrow I choose planes about 6" right at 15 yards. I think I have all that in an earlier post. So I did like Sonny and lined the rest up with the string grooves in the cam and just shoot it. It's real nock buster and I'm not used to breaking nocks any more. That was in my younger days.

I finally got to chrono this thingand it's not overly impressive. I'll just post the figures and let you guys do the math. It's set at 50# and 27" draw. The arrows are all GT Ultralite 600 and the heavier arrow a 22 series--all Pro series.

291gr (22 series)...256fps...5.8 gr/lb
260gr..................271fps
250gr..................276fps
209gr..................296fps....4.2 gr/lb

When doing the math it's very close to 1fps per 2gr of arrow weight. I'll probably be able to tweak just a bit more out of it, but I think about 5 fps would be all. It doesn't matter anyway as I only have to shoot a max of 35 yards in any f the local 3D shoots and I'm rarely off more than two yards out to that distance.

So nore here's some pics. Nothing special. Just another bow.

Spiker
07-08-2010, 04:07 PM
Thanks Barry.! It looks great. I've been holding off on ordering one but -
think I'll just make the call tomorrow.
One question - do you think that if it had a rod and slide on it to eliminate some of the ccs side torque that it would bare shaft a bit better?

Destroyer
07-08-2010, 08:15 PM
bare shaft a bit better?

Have you tried alloy's? My 2315's arrived yesterday, a bit under spined but the best thing was it is FINALLY showing under spined. With the carbons, everything was opposite, under spined was left - nock right, over spined was right - nock left. Carbons don't seem to spine the same way, plus there is less choice in spine rates.

bfisher
07-09-2010, 05:43 AM
Spiker, No, I get the same results with my FireCat so I've decided it is either something in the riser design or it's me. Who knows? I'm not going to get my panties in a wad over it. I have all summer to play with things and see what I can get.

Destroyer, The answer to your wuestion is a resounding NO also. For all intent and purposes spine is spine. I don't have any aluminum arrows any more. Gave them up over 15 years ago in the quest for speed and the fact that I gave my arrow straightener to my brother. As I had written before, I have tried four different spined arrows ranging from a GT UL 600 up to the UL 22 series which is a 300 spine. Different point weights, different rest positions, up and down with the draw weight. No matter what I do they all do the same thing. You'd think something would make some sort of difference, but it's not to be so I've pretty much resigned myself to ME being the problem.

For what it's worth I can walk-back tune it and each arrow shoots down the middle and this doesn't vary with rest settings either Sight in for 20 yards and then shoot 40 and they center up. Move the rest in 1/4", sight in for 20 and they still shoot centered at 40. It goes against convention, but that's what I get. The only difference is that the lighter arrows shoot flatter.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the specs fall pretty close. The A2A is 35 15/16" and brace height is 6 1/2".

alex
07-09-2010, 08:08 AM
Special or not i like it a lot :D

Montalaar
07-09-2010, 09:35 AM
That was a rhyme,
now i feel fine.

lol.

Great bow, Barry. I must admit that i like the carbon weave pattern.

Spiker
07-09-2010, 12:12 PM
I had no luck with bare shafting my Firecat (09) AX (09) or Nemesis (10) either. Quit wasting my time with it. All three of them shoot great and I aint gonna shoot without fletching anyway...
What is the measurement from the bridge between the berger holes and cl of the arrow?
Is it farther out than your FC?

bfisher
07-09-2010, 05:03 PM
I had no luck with bare shafting my Firecat (09) AX (09) or Nemesis (10) either. Quit wasting my time with it. All three of them shoot great and I aint gonna shoot without fletching anyway...
What is the measurement from the bridge between the berger holes and cl of the arrow?
Is it farther out than your FC?

Guess you're asking how far out the rest is set for centershot. Without measuring with my dial calipers it/s just about 1 1/16". Just another little detail I forgot to mention.

Destroyer
07-09-2010, 06:40 PM
The answer to your question is a resounding NO

Didn't mean for you to swap to alloy's, just if you had a shaft or two laying around to see if the problem still exists.


For all intent and purposes spine is spine.

Static or dynamic? Static I agree, dynamic is a different thing all together imho. I suspect that the dynamic spine is different between the material types. Can't prove that but it could explain why I get totally opposite bare shaft flight with carbon's compared to alloy's.


I've pretty much resigned myself to ME being the problem.

Its a possibility. Another is the bow just might be un-tunable. Is it just this bow you have the problem with?


Move the rest in 1/4", sight in for 20 and they still shoot centered at 40. It goes against convention, but that's what I get.

I said in another thread that I don't think center shot is critical with rests that don't put any side pressure for tuning. This seems to prove that. My center shot is 13/16" if it helps any.

Btw, didn't want to turn your review into a tuning debate. That is one fine bow, the Z is what I would go for, very nice! ;)

KStigall
07-13-2010, 06:39 AM
Interesting results on the speed. we are getting about the same speed my draw length is a good bit shorter.

At 58.5 lbs my 298 gr arrow is moving right at 279-280 fps. But my draw length is maybe 26 1/8". I'm using a Super peep with a verifier and a d-loop with 2 tied nock sets inside the loop. I don't expect anymore fps at my draw length but I would have expected a 27" draw to push 290 fps. I have NO complaints. This -Z is the best thing I've seen come from Walla Walla in a couple of years. 6 days after getting the bow I took 7th at the ASA shoot in London Ky in HC.

At times I shoot the Alien-Z so well I'm expecting to use to it kill x's this coming season. But I won't know for sure until I have it go toe-to-toe with the S4 Mag sporting nitrous cams.

If I think about it after the Virginia ASA state championship this weekend I'll set my -Z to 27 inches and see what it does.

bfisher
07-13-2010, 05:02 PM
Interesting results on the speed. we are getting about the same speed my draw length is a good bit shorter.

At 58.5 lbs my 298 gr arrow is moving right at 279-280 fps. But my draw length is maybe 26 1/8". I'm using a Super peep with a verifier and a d-loop with 2 tied nock sets inside the loop. I don't expect anymore fps at my draw length but I would have expected a 27" draw to push 290 fps. I have NO complaints. This -Z is the best thing I've seen come from Walla Walla in a couple of years. 6 days after getting the bow I took 7th at the ASA shoot in London Ky in HC.

At times I shoot the Alien-Z so well I'm expecting to use to it kill x's this coming season. But I won't know for sure until I have it go toe-to-toe with the S4 Mag sporting nitrous cams.

If I think about it after the Virginia ASA state championship this weekend I'll set my -Z to 27 inches and see what it does.

How tight do you have the cams wrapped up? I would imagine they are very similar to the Cat cams and supposedly work better when wrapped tighter.

There is a thread on AT about this; optimizing the Cat cams. I really should read this because I know that twisting the cables to do what they say is also making the draw length longer and the peak weight go up. I just wonder if after doing this the module is moved to a shorter setting to make up for it.

By the way Kent, do you happen to know what the draw length range is on the Z with the 1.5 cams? I thought it was 24 to 27".

bfisher
07-14-2010, 05:42 PM
After a few conversations with other people I finally made a phone call to Joel a couple hours ago. The Alien Z with Hybrix 1.5 cam has a draw length range from 26 to 29". Also, the cables are 40.5" and the string is 54.5".

I was out at the range playing with this thing. Specs are close at
35 15/16" and the brace height comes in a 6.5". I was shooting it with the module set in the #4 position before so I shortened it up to the #3 position and it was definitely too short for me. It's a wonder what a difference 1/2" can make. So back to the #4 hole and be happy for now. Might have to play around going a tad longer and see how it feels.

When I get a chance I need to pull the string/cables off and measure them and also measure the draw length and see how close it comes to what it's supposed to be. No matter, I still have to go by feel and how the bow aims. This is the real ticket. Not some arbitrary number conjured up by some chart.

OK, I got some other things to do. Be back later.

Destroyer
07-14-2010, 08:03 PM
No matter, I still have to go by feel and how the bow aims.

Important that is.

polaris754
07-18-2010, 04:05 AM
hey Barry if you find out that Bow wont do it for you. and it really makes u mad to shoot it , i can give u my address jus kiddin nice bow !!!!!!!!!!!!:D

brettbuchanan
07-21-2010, 04:42 PM
the z is to shoot300 grain u will get 329.4 feet per sec. so if you any thing bigger the speed is slower