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NeilM
07-25-2010, 01:47 PM
Hi all, I am a new member.

I live in the UK and I'm a dedicated 3D and field, finger shooter. I was a long time Martin user until the UK distributor closed some years ago (I still have the Lynx I bought in the late 1980's).

There are a few dealers now offering Martin again over here, and I like the look of the Shadowcat, but, it's listed as having a maximum DL of 30", although I have been told it will go longer.

Can someone please tell me if I can get 30.5" DL from a Shadowcat, as it is one of the last fast finger bows left.

Hawk Eye
07-25-2010, 03:16 PM
You will need to use the CAT 2 Hybrid Duo Cams if you need a draw length greater than 30". Good luck to Martin shooter.

Montalaar
07-25-2010, 08:50 PM
30.5 should be also achievable with the 1.5 cams but i cannot recommend that.
Custom order it with 2.0 Cams and you will have some draw range to play with. The 2.0 Cams give you a drawrange from 29" to 32".

Destroyer
07-25-2010, 10:31 PM
Guessing a bit here but I would think to get 30.5 you would need to get a longer string or shorten the cable or maybe both. Then you might have tuning problems with the cams rotated more. Better to order the 2.0's like Montalaar & Hawk Eye have said.

Personally think that 40" ATA is a bit short at your DL. If it doesn't work out you could go to a release I guess.

NeilM
07-25-2010, 10:54 PM
Thanks for the information.

I had been told that the CAT 1.5 would go to 32", but this just did not seem right, so I passed that bow by. Looks like the CAT2 will work for me.

Are all the issues I have read about on this forum (limbs breaking and cam lean) now resolved?

EDIT: Destroyer, I currently shoot a 2008 Bowtech Constitution and have been using Connies since 2005, they are a very similar spec and have worked very well for me, but as Bowtech no longer make a longer ATA bow with a DL over 30" it is time to look elsewhere and the Shadowcat seems to fit the bill perfectly.

Destroyer
07-25-2010, 11:17 PM
2008 Bowtech Constitution

Whats wrong with the Constitution?


and have been using Connies since 2005

Have no idea what this is.

Montalaar
07-26-2010, 01:45 AM
He meant that he is using Bowtech Constitutions since 2005. :P

NeilM
07-26-2010, 05:24 AM
What I meant was that I have been shooting Constitutions (Connies) since 2005, but not the same bow. I am on my third one now.

There is nothing wrong with the Constitution, but it is getting progressively older and sooner or later will need to be replaced. Also, what is wrong with me buying a different bow to try? I have done it before with a PSE Mojo, a Monster Bows Dragon, a CSS System and also a newer Constitution when there was nothing particularly wrong with my 2005.

The only way you find out if one bow has the edge over another is to try it. Trouble is, the number of bows to choose from is getting less and less. Give it a few more years and there will be very little left to choose from :mad:

Destroyer
07-26-2010, 06:59 AM
Also, what is wrong with me buying a different bow to try?

Did I say there was? Buy as many as you like. :confused:



He meant that he is using Bowtech Constitutions since 2005. :P

Man, did I miss that one. (Do they really? lol! :p)

NeilM
07-26-2010, 07:38 AM
Did I say there was? Buy as many as you like. :confused:



I'll use that one on the wife 'Destroyer says I have to buy as many bows as I like' :D

duffy
07-26-2010, 09:55 AM
Hi all, I am a new member.

I live in the UK and I'm a dedicated 3D and field, finger shooter. I was a long time Martin user until the UK distributor closed some years ago (I still have the Lynx I bought in the late 1980's).

There are a few dealers now offering Martin again over here, and I like the look of the Shadowcat, but, it's listed as having a maximum DL of 30", although I have been told it will go longer.

Can someone please tell me if I can get 30.5" DL from a Shadowcat, as it is one of the last fast finger bows left.



i know of a couple of places in the uk you can get martin bows, bowsports, and centre shot (i have been told that centre shot is the actual martin dealer in the uk but not totally sure)

my friend at my club shoots the warthog off the fningers (bowhunter) and he has a long draw. i know the warthog can be used at 30.5-31dl. he doesnt get finger pinch, and the bow is smaller lighter and quicker than the shadowcat, imo a better bow for 3d.

good luck

Destroyer
07-26-2010, 09:00 PM
I'll use that one on the wife 'Destroyer says I have to buy as many bows as I like'

And accessories, lots and lots of accessories! ;)

NeilM
07-28-2010, 01:53 PM
And accessories, lots and lots of accessories! ;)

Oh yes! Musn't forget the gadgets too, thanks for reminding me :D

Duffy: I am going to speak to Centreshot, as my understanding is the same as yours. I won't deal with Bowsports....but we'll not go into that :mad:

I'll look at the Warthog specs, but I'm not sure about anything under 40" ATA. I have a Ross CR337, which I imported from the US. It works OK with fingers, but is much more accurate with release, same goes for my Bowtech Old Glory, it can be shot fingers, but it's not at it's best...or at least I'm not with that bow.

A lot depends on the archer I think; I seem to get on better with a longer ATA bow.

Destroyer
07-28-2010, 05:24 PM
I seem to get on better with a longer ATA bow.

Most archers do, longer the better. Once I go past 43" ATA my consistency improves quite a bit. I'm able to shoot accurately with 40" ATA but I'm not as consistently accurate.

NeilM
07-31-2010, 01:04 AM
Most archers do, longer the better. Once I go past 43" ATA my consistency improves quite a bit. I'm able to shoot accurately with 40" ATA but I'm not as consistently accurate.

You are absolutely right, but I like to strike a balance between ATA and velocity.

I only shoot field and 3D, so I like to keep velocity close to 300 fps. This is the maximum we are allowed in the association I shoot under.

To get 300 fps, even with my DL and with light arrows becomes a bit of a struggle with bows much beyond 40" ATA, and if you can get it, the shot can become harsh, I had this with a PSE Mojo which was sweet at 50 lbs, but a bit nasty at 60 lbs.

The problem lies with the manufacturers. I am very happy with my Bowtech's, (although the quality of finish is not as good as it was a couple of years ago), but they no longer make a long ATA bow in my DL and I'm not sure they will bother next year. That leaves Hoyt, which are very good bows, and better finished, but expensive and having looked at the Contender, I'm not that keen on the look. Or there is the Shadowcat, or one of the Mathews bows, which until very recently I would not contemplate for personal reasons regarding the UK importer and last the PSE Moneymaker.

So that's a choice of four manufacturers and five bows, after that we go specialist, with people like Dave Barnsdale or Stewart Bowman, or perhaps home grown with a Merlin EX40, that, like the Hoyt, is a target bow.

So to get the stability I am happy with and velocity I want, I try to stick to as close to 40" ATA as possible, and preferably a parallel style limb layout, to avoid hand shock.

Every way I look at it, the Shadowcat looks good for the job.

Montalaar
07-31-2010, 03:44 AM
What about the older Merlins?
before the Excalibur was introduced they had a series of shorter ATA bows (i think one was at 38"). I really would have liked to get one, i liked the look of them. but so many people told me not to get one.

The Moneymaker will not provide the speed and consistency you are looking for. I had one for some weeks.

Destroyer
07-31-2010, 04:36 AM
I only shoot field and 3D, so I like to keep velocity close to 300 fps.

300 fps with finger release? :eek:


The Moneymaker will not provide the speed and consistency you are looking for. I had one for some weeks.

Didn't like it? They don't seem to be that popular, maybe that's why.

Montalaar
07-31-2010, 05:33 AM
There is no reason to make this bow this expensive. Has a wobbly feeling after every shot.

NeilM
07-31-2010, 06:14 AM
I'm afraid Merlin are pretty poor at supporting their out of production bows with spares and cam modules. The older ones are cheap, but if you want to change DL and Merlin don't have the module left in stock, you've had it.

Moneymaker: On paper they look good, and they have one feature that the other manufacturers have missed which is multiple drillings for mounting sights. One of my major complaints with the Constitution is that I now have to use a target sight with pins fitted, as I cannot mount a normal five pin sight low enough for my anchor. I had a Mojo and it was a nice bow at 50 lbs / 240 fps, but as soon as I wound it up to 60 lbs / 290 fps it became harsh with a rather unpleasant hand shock / forward jump. I have not seen a Moneymaker and the US finger shooters who have had them have sold them again. That said, the Constitution is a bit of an acquired taste and most finger shooters don't get along with it, so I guess there are always exceptions.

Destroyer
07-31-2010, 11:45 PM
There is no reason to make this bow this expensive.

What the name 'moneymaker' is about. Not how much money you will make using this bow (what I thought it meant), more to do about the profit on this bow. :D


multiple drillings for mounting sights

Fantastic feature and I wish all bows had them.