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Huckle
09-27-2010, 05:30 PM
Ok so today I got all set up, peep, rest, sight, ect. Finally got home and shot. Super fun and pretty close groups. Not sure but I think it needs a bit more tweaking. I will post a pic or 2 soon.

Destroyer
09-27-2010, 07:11 PM
Super fun and pretty close groups. Not sure but I think it needs a bit more tweaking.

Why, noisy? Close groups means that its tuning ok, and your shooting well.

Huckle
09-27-2010, 08:02 PM
Ive got a random stray, and a bit of of the mark. But generally consistant. Its very close. Its shooting fast and smooth that is for sure.

Destroyer
09-27-2010, 08:32 PM
Next time it happens, mark the arrow and see if it is the same arrow.

Huckle
09-27-2010, 08:51 PM
Will do, I know some variation was me :rolleyes: moving around. How tight should a knock be? I know its hard to define.

Destroyer
09-27-2010, 09:06 PM
We are the biggest variable in the equation. ;)

Nocks, for target like to have it so a gental tap on the string and the arrow falls off, for hunting a bit tighter.

The random stray could be caused by simply torquing the bow on shot or even being tired. Any consistency at all to where it goes? Like last shot in the group, mostly right, low or is it all over the place?

Huckle
09-27-2010, 09:15 PM
Its mostly left, elevation is good. And after 200 or so shots at 70 lbs I was tired thats for sure!!

Huckle
09-27-2010, 09:16 PM
Also the nocks almost a hard click onto the string right now, seems tighter than what Im used to.

Destroyer
09-27-2010, 09:31 PM
Its mostly left, elevation is good.

Could be your torquing (twisting) the bow. This might cause a collision too if done on drawing the bow, with the rest or cables. This can be a problem with drawing heavy 70# bows.


Also the nocks almost a hard click onto the string right now, seems tighter than what Im used to.

Probably nothing to worry about, using a the factory string? I wouldn't expect 'fliers' from it even when the nock is really tight.

Huckle
09-28-2010, 07:26 AM
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Huckle
09-28-2010, 07:27 AM
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Huckle
09-28-2010, 07:28 AM
http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz182/Huckle1/archery/angelamisc099.jpg

Huckle
09-28-2010, 07:30 AM
And this is why you put your finger behind the trigger while drawing back

http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz182/Huckle1/archery/angelamisc103.jpg

krys1973
09-28-2010, 02:57 PM
nice one it will go with the hole in the box below.

Huckle
09-28-2010, 05:58 PM
Im designing a safer backstop now ;)

Destroyer
09-28-2010, 07:42 PM
And this is why you put your finger behind the trigger while drawing back

Memorable way to learn. ;)

Huckle
09-28-2010, 07:59 PM
Made my wife so proud :D

Destroyer
09-28-2010, 08:15 PM
Lol! :D Much ribbing from her or just :rolleyes: ?

And the pic's, looks almost like you are stringing your arrows, could be that your draw length is a bit long. Hard to tell though.

Huckle
09-28-2010, 08:59 PM
maybe ill try adjusting the release to shorten things up. What is stringing?

bfisher
09-29-2010, 06:01 AM
Stringing in this case means you are scattering in the horizontal plane; left and right.

Left and right issues are often the result of a long draw. If you have the time it might pay to play around with shortening the draw. When you get your optimum draw length you'll find the bow settles down and aims more solidly and the left and rights will eventually disappear.

Huckle
09-29-2010, 06:09 AM
Is that by changing the modules? And will that effect where the peep is mounted or any of the other stuff, other than the sight needing to be reset?

bfisher
09-29-2010, 07:16 AM
Changing the draw length will change the string angle with reference to your eye. You might have to change the peep location a bit. You might have to do some minor retuning later. You never know till you try. And yes, 1" change would be with a module. Smaller changes would entail cable/string twisting.

As you become more experienced at this stuff you might even be able to tell a marked difference of 1/4" in the draw. I know I used to shoot a 28 3/8" draw. As I played around (took me years) I have settled at around 27 1/8", depending a little on the bow. What happened was that as I got closer to my optimum draw length the bow quit wandering around on the target so much and groups tightened up. Of course this doesn't happen overnight. It takes time for the muscles and mind to adapt to the new "feel". Once you reach this point it may become impossible to shoot comfortably with a bow as little as 1/2" longer in the draw. You'll be able to tell pretty easily that the bow just doesn't aim as well.

Huckle
09-29-2010, 09:37 AM
well time to go stick some carbon to the foam...ill take some pics

Huckle
09-29-2010, 10:12 AM
Shortened up the release a bit, also the d loop looks a bit long. But now I am definatly not locking my arm strait. Grroups are tighter now:)http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz182/Huckle1/Archery003.jpg

Destroyer
09-29-2010, 02:25 PM
Well done! Draw length is critical to accuracy as we have said before. It doesn't get the attention is should, too much about speed these days. ;)


also the d loop looks a bit long

If it is shooting better, don't change too much.

Huckle
09-29-2010, 06:17 PM
now its time to fix me :) having a hard time settling down, not moving ect.

Destroyer
09-29-2010, 07:32 PM
The hardest part. You can always blame your equipment though. ;)

baerman
09-30-2010, 04:31 AM
Hey Huckle,
It could just be me, but the arrows in your last photo appear to be entering the target block at different angles.....were you moving left to right while shooting those three arrows, or did they indeed hit the target with the tail end not aligned? If the latter, you might have a bit of tuning to do yet. The other guys on this forum will be better able to adivise you, but you do want the arrows to enter the target perfectly aligned with each other.
Take care, and good luck!

Huckle
09-30-2010, 06:31 AM
could be me....im swaying like a tree half the time, and thats sober :p

Destroyer
09-30-2010, 08:34 PM
and thats sober

Maybe that's the problem lol!

Just kidding folks. :D

justin
10-01-2010, 03:35 PM
hahahaha! i find my cheetah easy to torque... and a little torque will make your arrow dirty. but even before it was tuned well i was shooting 4 inch groups at 40 yards with dirty flying arrows and a 15mph crosswind......lol when u try to hold a bow in the wind ud swear it was a sail.

Destroyer
10-01-2010, 08:29 PM
shooting 4 inch groups at 40 yards

Excellent shooting, especially with wind. :)

rjd
10-01-2010, 08:51 PM
I've found that when I shot in to my block like that it will twist a little from the impact. Which in turn will get your arrows looking like they are impacting at differant angles.
Would n't change a thing for a few days to see if it improves. Better then trying alot of little things at once.

justin
10-01-2010, 08:59 PM
thanks. and yeah those blocks move. and tip over, but the arrows pull so nice.