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Martin cheetah
10-11-2010, 05:04 PM
I have cam Lean on my bow and whenever I shoot with my dropaway the right fletching always hits the right side of my arrow rest no matter the position of the rest or the torq of my bow I ordered 60#-70# and I got like 45-60# and I'm starting to get angry bc I want to hunt but when I shoot my arrows they wobble even if I try paper or broadhead tuning I NEED HELP!! Please

Martin cheetah
10-11-2010, 05:05 PM
Do you think Martin would swap for free what should I say to convince them

FireHawk Owner
10-11-2010, 05:10 PM
Just call them and tell them they sent you the wrong limbs.I'm sure if it was there mistake they will fix it. They have great customer service.

Martin cheetah
10-11-2010, 06:34 PM
thanks but would i have to take it to my local bow shot and have them do it, but do you think they would give me a whole new bow bc it came with a lot of problems but this was back in 08

Destroyer
10-11-2010, 07:35 PM
Depends, if they have the parts for it they would use your current bow I would think. But who knows, I'd ring and find out.

SonnyThomas
10-11-2010, 07:57 PM
Lean, bottom cam or top wheel? Wheel lean is fairly easy to correct. Bottom says the strings are not equaled in some manner. Either you and have someone start from scratch. Buss cable is primary string, it's the work horse. Using it, get close to ata, 1/8" or so, and start bringing the cam to proper position. Work with the strings, give and take.
Straight forward. 2 years and you just now want the bow you ordered? This should have been taken care of upon receiving, not 2 years later.

joelc
10-12-2010, 06:48 AM
Lean, bottom cam or top wheel? Wheel lean is fairly easy to correct. Bottom says the strings are not equaled in some manner. Either you and have someone start from scratch. Buss cable is primary string, it's the work horse. Using it, get close to ata, 1/8" or so, and start bringing the cam to proper position. Work with the strings, give and take. Straight forward. 2 years and you just now want the bow you ordered? This should have been taken care of upon receiving, not 2 years later.

Sonny is correct...and to elaborate...All single cam bows from any manufacturer will have a degree of lean...it's the nature of the beast. This can be adjusted but not eliminated by a twist here or there. Your 'cam lean' is not causing your fletching to hit your rest. To be quite blunt...you do not get a free bow.

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 11:09 AM
why do you think my arrow is hitting the rest... im not torquing the bow but it hits it every time and my arrow will hit were im aiming but it wobbles in the air... no matter were i move the rest this occurs

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 11:10 AM
also i fixed my top cam clean the idler but i dont know how to straighten the bottom one

SonnyThomas
10-12-2010, 01:14 PM
From the start; Lay a arrow across the wheel so that it runs along the string. I like at least to get the arrow to touch one side of the string or the other. If equal distance from each side of the string, then you're good here. Same thing with the bottom cam. If fairly close, don't bother. If a huge gap then take to someone who knows what to do.

Regardless of wheel or cam lean; Eye ball in center shot, horizontal. I don't want to read of any center shot gage you used. Throw it in the trash can.

Align the bow string to the groove of the top wheel.
Step 1 - you look about 1 to 2" below the wheel (a sweet spot) and align the string to the groove.
Step 2 - Keep the string aligned to groove of the top wheel see where you arrow is. If off move rest until arrow is aligned to the aligned string/groove of top wheel. You will then be in the ball park for horizontal.

Forget paper tuning for the time being. Check for fletching contact. Here's what I like about paper tuning and problems > Using a bare shaft you tune until you get a reasonable tear. Switch to a fletched arrow. If the tear gets bad then there is contact somewhere.

Define wobble. Fishing tailing is the arrow whipping left and right. Porpoising is the arrow whipping up and down.

You never said what arrow you are using. Here are some tips.
Left tear (nock left) indicates weak spine arrow. Can try moving rest to the left.
Right tear (nock right) indicates too stiff a spine arrow. Can try moving rest to the right.
High tear (nock high) indicates string nock too high or rest too low.
Low tear (nock low) indicates sgring nock too low or rest too high.

Destroyer
10-12-2010, 03:58 PM
I shoot with my dropaway the right fletching always hits the right side of my arrow rest no matter the position of the rest

What rest? Make sure the fletching will clear, nock a arrow and look down it to see if the fletching will contact, if so try rotating nock. Check the timing of the rest as well.


Bottom says the strings are not equaled in some manner.

Its a single cam. Bottom lean probably means poor limb/riser alignment. Might be fixed by adjusting the axle spacers.


Your 'cam lean' is not causing your fletching to hit your rest.

Cam lean causes tuning problems so its possible.


From the start; Lay a arrow across the wheel so that it runs along the string.

As I said in another thread, I don't think this is good due to the idler not being inline with the cam.

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 04:18 PM
Thanks for the feedback I am shooting junior arrows (40lb max) out of a 60 lb bow and that might be the cause of the wobble left and right sooring throughout the air , but when I use a wisker biscuit I can adjust it to shoot fine. I an using a trophy talker arrow rest the one that has like a rim around the rest itself and also I'm using blazers and when I shoot I don't see the arrow really rotate thanks sonny for all the help I'm going to try it out but do u thinks it's the arrow, if so how come it don't hit the left side of the rest

Destroyer
10-12-2010, 04:28 PM
I am shooting junior arrows (40lb max) out of a 60 lb bow

LOL!


I am using a trophy talker arrow rest the one that has like a rim around the rest itself and also I'm using blazers

Not a lot of clearance with blazers and with a under-spined arrow....;)

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 05:22 PM
i am thinking about shooting fobs actually i want to i hear plenty of good things about them would i have more clearance with fobs

RobD
10-12-2010, 06:13 PM
You need to get stiffer spine arrows first. Your arrow are way to weak. Problaby less clearance with a Fob.

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 06:35 PM
what spine should i get 340?? for 60#

RobD
10-12-2010, 06:41 PM
How long is your arrow. measure from inside knot groove to insert.

SonnyThomas
10-12-2010, 06:43 PM
Any of the 400 spine arrows should be okay.

Forget the FOBs. Correct the problem you have, not add in something to "muddy up" the water. If anything, go to a standard height vane for the timing being.

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 06:53 PM
well as of right now i have no arrows because i threw those juniors in the trash and will never look at them again http://www.martinarchery.com/mtechforum/images/icons/icon7.gif i guess it was a rookie mistake but now i am a lot smarter and know a lot more. thanks sonny you are a big help i appreciate all the fast feedback i will take a picture of my bow and put it on here.. i do not know how but i will find out



martin cheetah 08, 60#
stock sight
homemade sting stop(sts)
trophy taker rest
no arrows at the moment :)
g5 peep sight

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 07:01 PM
sonny

should i get these ttp://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunting/Archery/Arrows-Shafts/Carbon/Cabelas-Carbon-Hunter-Arrows|/pc/104791680/c/104693580/sc/104192280/i/103856580/e/6092/Cabelas-Carbon-Hunter-with-234-XPV-Vanes-150-Per-6/e/6092/727622.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fensemble.jsp%3 FparentCategoryId%3D104791680%26categoryId%3D10469 3580%26subCategoryId%3D104192280%26indexId%3D10385 6580%26ensembleId%3D6092%26type%3Densemble&categoryIds=104791680|104693580|104192280|10385658 0

or should i gethttp://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunting/Archery/Arrows-Shafts/Carbon/Cabelas-Carbon-Hunter-Arrows|/pc/104791680/c/104693580/sc/104192280/i/103856580/e/6092/Cabelas-Carbon-Hunter-with-434-AAE-Vanes-150-Per-6/e/6092/744967.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fensemble.jsp%3 FparentCategoryId%3D104791680%26categoryId%3D10469 3580%26subCategoryId%3D104192280%26indexId%3D10385 6580%26ensembleId%3D6092%26type%3Densemble&categoryIds=104791680|104693580|104192280|10385658 0

i am going to get the 8.4 grain per inch

Martin cheetah
10-12-2010, 07:03 PM
sonny

sorry for that it didn't work how about this.. should i get carbons with blazers or regular vanes what would you use if you had this problem

SonnyThomas
10-12-2010, 08:13 PM
As I said, any 400 spine arrow should work. I'd go with a 100 gr field point. Try a standard low profile vane. Several charts are available.

J758
10-13-2010, 12:17 AM
I would get a standard vane. And worry about everything else later. U can always put what ever u like on at a different date. Gotta learn to walk. First. I shoot gold tip hunters. Work good for me. When I first started a straight fletch 4 inch low profile vane worked great. As u get better and figure things out worry about the rest.

joelc
10-13-2010, 06:49 AM
Cam lean causes tuning problems so its possible.


If that were the case, every bow with a cable guard would have tuning issues.

duffy
10-13-2010, 09:34 AM
sonny

sorry for that it didn't work how about this.. should i get carbons with blazers or regular vanes what would you use if you had this problem


if you have been using the wrong arrows, that are underspined, have they also been under weight?? this could have caused your bow damage, that you might not be able to see, i would get the bow checked out in case, i am using 500 spine arrows, slightly weak spine but total arrow weight is heavy enough, once those arrows go i will use 400 spine or gold tip 5575.

Destroyer
10-13-2010, 02:08 PM
If that were the case, every bow with a cable guard would have tuning issues.

Depends on how much lean we are talking about. Are you saying lean doesn't matter as far as tuning is concerned or are we back to that 'some degree of lean' nonsense.

joelc
10-13-2010, 02:58 PM
Depends on how much lean we are talking about. Are you saying lean doesn't matter as far as tuning is concerned or are we back to that 'some degree of lean' nonsense.

Within reason, that is exactly what I am saying.

Destroyer
10-13-2010, 07:56 PM
With in reason then. :)

SonnyThomas
10-14-2010, 06:39 AM
This top cam/wheel lean and tuning issue stuff, I wish it would go away. Lay a arrow across the top wheel. If the arrow is within a inch of the string just past the peep location I can tune it to shoot. I don't care that the rest is set perfect either. I stand firm on bow tuning is secondary. Working at a bow shop only I have had near junk setups shoot great on our indoor range. Granted, 20 yards, but nailing Xs time after time says shoot it. I had a rest fail at the State Championship Outdoor event, later found the screw clamp had froze and let the body shake. Two days, 180 arrows and I nailed down 3rd place. State 3D Championship. String busted during practice Saturday. Sunday morning I threw together a bow on the tailgate of my truck. I got to sight it in with 12 arrows. 40 targets later I nailed down 2nd place with some 30 in class. My Hoyt ProElite, I performed a Draw Stop tune, I eyeballed in center shot and rest height. I shot 2 arrows to get on target. I then shot a full 5 spot practice round while fine tuning the sight. I shot a 298! Yeah, I got lucky. So what? My bow wasn't tuned by shooting through paper, wasn't lasered, it was shot.... I did near the same thing for a Martin Staff shooters and his Shadowcat. Eyeballed in and he is the FITA Illinois Indoor Champion for 2010.
Sure, I believe in tuning a bow to it's best. I French tune my target bows when Field or 900 Rounds are the events. Bottom line is; You have to be "tuned" to shoot more than the bow has to be perfect.

Martin cheetah
10-15-2010, 11:36 AM
thanks sooo much sonny thomas if it werent for you id be lost. I went and bought new arrows yesterday i got 400 spine and i am shooting 4 inch groups at 20 yards.

i cant stress this enough thank you :)

SonnyThomas
10-15-2010, 03:58 PM
Thank you, but virtually all in here has good imput. Link it for later use.