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Stéphane
11-17-2010, 04:29 PM
I just wonder if it had been well received or not. Can't find anything about it online, so how about this becomes the first site to review it. I'm still going for the QAD, but there are some Mantis on ebay for $35 shipped. That could be a good "temp" rest while waiting to buy the QAD.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-17-2010, 04:53 PM
Nobody I know has tried the rest. Many have asked the same question you are.

Arrow Splitter
11-17-2010, 05:00 PM
I couldn't find anything about it online either. I even searched Archerytalk forums, but came up with nothing. It looks like a good rest though.

Stéphane
11-17-2010, 05:35 PM
I think I'll take the risk and do the very first review. If I don't like it that much, it'll go my current bow to replace the plastic tab. What the hell.
SG

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-17-2010, 05:40 PM
I think I'll take the risk and do the very first review. If I don't like it that much, it'll go my current bow to replace the plastic tab. What the hell.
SG

I did a thread on it on AT, and no one replied yet. But it does look like a good rest.

Stéphane
11-17-2010, 08:27 PM
I bit the bullet. So, I'll have a go at it and let you know how it is. I think my bow is coming pretty soon too . . . hopefully the timing will be right.

More excitement!

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-18-2010, 12:54 AM
You won't be disappointed! Its just an adventure of enjoyment.;)

Spiker
11-18-2010, 04:43 AM
You won't be disappointed! Its just an adventure of enjoyment.;)

+1.
I think it will be a fine rest. Let us know how it works for you.

RobD
11-18-2010, 05:55 AM
I just wonder if it had been well received or not. Can't find anything about it online, so how about this becomes the first site to review it. I'm still going for the QAD, but there are some Mantis on ebay for $35 shipped. That could be a good "temp" rest while waiting to buy the QAD.
Here's one on Ebay 13.00 or best offer with shipping not sure if this on is the same Mantis
http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLDEN-KEY-FUTURA-INC-MANTIS-ARROW-REST-RIGHT-HAND-NIP-/300491470131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f6aff533

Stéphane
11-18-2010, 06:10 AM
Here's one on Ebay 13.00 with shipping not sure if this on is the same Mantis
http://cgi.ebay.com/GOLDEN-KEY-FUTURA-INC-MANTIS-ARROW-REST-RIGHT-HAND-NIP-/300491470131?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45f6aff533

Hi Rob,

that's not the one I bought. I got one on p.16 of the 2010 catalog (or 18 if you look at the pdf page #)

That's what I bought.
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc77/yol68/Picture1-1.png

RobD
11-18-2010, 06:15 AM
Nice. Hows it working for you.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-18-2010, 12:49 PM
I asked on archery talk about this rest one reply take a look.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1357362
Looks like a winner good for you Stephane

Stéphane
11-21-2010, 08:38 AM
I asked on archery talk about this rest one reply take a look.
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1357362
Looks like a winner good for you Stephane

I read that. There's a guy on the BChunting site that mentioned tuning with 4" vanes or longer might be an issue. His reasoning behind this is the arrows starts rotating as soon as it leaves the string. My Pro shop doesn't think it will be an issue. I'll see.


So, my bow arrived, but I'm waiting for the rest. Best case scenario, I'll be shooting my new Bengal December 1st! I'm so excited, I'm having insomnia.

Ehunter
11-22-2010, 02:20 AM
I have a friend that set up his hunting bow with the Mantis. He really likes it. The only thing I saw wrong with it is, the "prongs" that the arrow rests on are pretty limber. Not neccessarily a bad thing, but it's pretty easy for some arrows to drop right through the prongs, and end up in the bottom of the rest. Definitely NOT a rest for finger shooters though. I also noticed on his that the coating on the prongs is already worn off. Gotta say though, he does really like the rest.

Spiker
11-22-2010, 04:50 AM
Very doubtful that the arrow will start to spin before it clears the rest.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-22-2010, 01:08 PM
Very doubtful that the arrow will start to spin before it clears the rest.

Agreed the arrow won't start spinning till the nock is snapped from the string. In that case the arrow is almost through the rest.
Hutch

SonnyThomas
11-22-2010, 03:10 PM
Very doubtful that the arrow will start to spin before it clears the rest.

I agree. Where the problem would come is long vanes and a full helical. There just isn't enough clearance.

Personally, I have no use for the Mantis. Just me being me.

justin
11-22-2010, 04:09 PM
:D me either.... i never though i would like a drop away..... but i dont think i will ever go back to a capture rest....... although it does make you focus on form.....which is a good thing for most of us!! including me!!

Stéphane
11-22-2010, 04:45 PM
Agreed the arrow won't start spinning till the nock is snapped from the string. In that case the arrow is almost through the rest.
Hutch
These videos seem to support that theory. I can't see the arrow spinning before it is well off the bow.
#1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZK7O_s1Rq8&feature=related
#2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzWrcpzuAp8&feature=related
#3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qDdAzw_vY0&feature=related
#4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5ufRhljKrc&feature=related


I agree. Where the problem would come is long vanes and a full helical. There just isn't enough clearance.

Personally, I have no use for the Mantis. Just me being me.


:D me either.... i never though i would like a drop away..... but i dont think i will ever go back to a capture rest....... although it does make you focus on form.....which is a good thing for most of us!! including me!!

This is a temporary rest until I can afford a Q.A.D. HD (unless I'm impressed), but why wouldn't you choose this one? I'm fairly new to archery, so I really like to hear inputs from more experienced archers.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-22-2010, 05:15 PM
Stéphane, I believe they don't like capture rests. Because most archers like the drop away rests
Reasons
1. no contact with arrow after release. (archers paradox causes contact on mosts capture rests)
2. no fletching contact
3. maximizing speed and accuracy
and the list goes on.

I use a capture rest and properly set up they preform very well. Its mostly preference. There is pros and cons to everything.
HUTCH

SonnyThomas
11-22-2010, 08:09 PM
Hutch~n~Son Archery is pretty much correct. Most rests are a personal preference...Well, after you've had a few. I've owned 11 different drop rests and more than that of shoot through prong style rests and tried every version of the whisker biscuit. All worked well when properly set and following instructions. A couple should have never been released on the market. There's been a few discontinued that deserve a second chance. As much as I like NAP I can not suggest the Freedom rest brought out a couple of years back (I own one). Once you come to full draw you can not let up, creep the least bit or the safety will engage. The Trap Door was discontinued and I found it to my liking. No draw cord, you have to manually raise the rest. It also has a sensitivity adjustment for dropping the launch arm. I own one and have used it on bows with draw weight of some 30 pounds up to 70 pounds and it has performed flawlessly.

Okay, I usually tell it the way it is or through my experience. So telling it like it is probably part of why I'm not sponsored.

The Mantis probably wouldn't be on the market if it didn't work.

Pros and Cons do exist for just about any arrow rest. I have 3 drop aways in use at the present, the Limb Driver, Doodle Drop and the Apache. All work great, but...

I found the Limb Driver very nice for bows with harsh let offs, dropping off into the valley and hitting the wall. Here the Limb Driver raises immediately upon drawing and eliminates arrow bounce. It's draw back is the long draw cord. I'm forever hitting or catching it on something. Tightening the screw on the cord has to be watched. Too much and you can cut or weaken the cord.

The Doodle Drop came on a bow I bought and just plain liked it. It though seems cheap in the drop department. A lead weight drops the cradle. I would have thought a spring would be better (and Bodoodle has this on other rests). This rest has less tension on the draw cord than draw cord rest I know of.

The new NAP Apache seems to be one fine rest, a bit heavy compared to some, but then I don't care for the full capture cage and it will come off. I am not particularly fond of the tightening feature - The no tool to set feature. I have to tighten mine with brute force and then to loose I really have to strain or just use another allen to stick in the hole to break it loose.

The Qad you mentioned. A nice drop rest. Instructions say to manually raise the rest before drawing. I think the manual raise thing is more to give the full capture effect immediately as you can draw the bow and the rest will raise. The Qad has 5 variations, plain jane to all the bells and whistles and the 5th being camo...for another $15 or so. I kind wonder about the dollar spread, $50 up to $140.

Okay, my two cents.

justin
11-23-2010, 02:56 PM
The new NAP Apache seems to be one fine rest, a bit heavy compared to some, but then I don't care for the full capture cage and it will come off. I am not particularly fond of the tightening feature - The no tool to set feature. I have to tighten mine with brute force and then to loose I really have to strain or just use another allen to stick in the hole to break it loose.



when i got my apache, the capture cage was a big selling point. i also have no problems at all it the tooless adjustments...... but i use my hands alot, and have some pretty brutal hand strenght.(im a mechanic ;) ) i know my father wouldnt like the knobs much, and using a hex key screw would lighten the weight up. but for my aplication the apache seems to be nothing but ideal.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
11-23-2010, 04:01 PM
One thing is sure Stéphane, Once you find out if you like that rest. You should have an extra rest it is always great to have a spare. Just in case of a failure with a rest. I recently had a noise in my bow and could not figure it out. My son suggested to put on my spare rest. And sure enough it was my rest making the noise. While I was fixing it I could still shoot using my spare.
HUTCH

SonnyThomas
11-23-2010, 05:50 PM
The new NAP Apache seems to be one fine rest, a bit heavy compared to some, but then I don't care for the full capture cage and it will come off.QUOTE]

[QUOTE=justin;34500]when i got my apache, the capture cage was a big selling point. i also have no problems at all it the tooless adjustments...... but i use my hands alot, and have some pretty brutal hand strenght.(im a mechanic ;) ) i know my father wouldnt like the knobs much, and using a hex key screw would lighten the weight up. but for my aplication the apache seems to be nothing but ideal.

I meant I will remove the capture cage. I like the rest.

justin
11-23-2010, 07:17 PM
yeah i got that about you removing the capture bit. :) im still young and do more tromping around through the brush and corn than most. if i was shooting targets or 3d only the cage would probably just be "extra crap" that really isnt needed. got my bow "almost" paper tuned tonight... not quite a bullet hole. its appearing that my alien is having a bias for low tears, possibly caused by cam timing, or maybe knock pinching. it is going to take a bit more investigating though, as my rest is over 1/4 of an inch below my knocking point. but then again maybe its just how this bow is going to shoot.

SonnyThomas
11-24-2010, 06:32 AM
Well, I still a good deal of tromping, but I've got use to what I use and have little need for a full capture rest. ???

For prong style rests I remove the prong block or entire rest and set the prongs to best advantage. Off, you can turn and inspect the location of the prongs. I prefer mid point between vanes, but have set them so the arrow sets a bit lower. Depending on the style or type of prongs a tad more capture is achieved.

For that 1/4" nock high, I'd tweak the timing a bit. I like the arrow driven as straight forward as possible. Besides, playing with equipment gains knowledge.

justin
11-24-2010, 04:10 PM
lol sonny!!! :D im clumsy ok? hehehehe lol i didnt want to say it

if my cam timing "looks" ok, do you think i can get away with backing my bottom limb bolt a tad? 1/2turn-ish maybe? i would get my "low kick" on my aarow by basically getting more pull from the lower limb. so i would want to retard the lower cam a tad(if it looks advanced) by untwisting the cable that tracks in the lower module a couple times, and see what happens?