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Aaron
12-21-2010, 05:22 AM
Anyone tried using the Eliminator Pro rear sight. It eliminates the need for a peep sight.
http://www.extremeop.com/products.php

Seems like with the short distance between the front and rear sight would make it difficult to sight in. Probably like sighting in a pistol (although I have never sighted in a pistol).

SonnyThomas
12-21-2010, 06:02 AM
Never tried one, but I've tried the Rifle Sight for Compound Bows and this Eliminator appears to work on the same principle. The Rifle sight proved to correct sight errors, but for the short testing I was able do I wasn't sold and it was pricey for what it is. The owner of Rifle Sight gave me his book and I'll try to put up some pics.
The EP looks state of the art, but cosmetics can fool one.
Probably the thing that works the best on these sights is correcting torque to one degree or another. AND I'm not saying they can't be accurate.
Tons of archery equipment come out on the market and either fail, sort of remain stagnant or on the up side, embraced by archers and accepted.
By and large people come of with these items in finding a way to correct some problem they have and it works for them so they try marketing their idea. I would example the Death Grip. This works for some people, but it does not correct the shooter's real problem, improper grip of the bow.

alex
12-21-2010, 07:31 AM
This gadget looks good and i like the idea, but all these peep eliminating devices are overpriced. It's cheaper just to put a red-dot sight (especially if you make the mount system yourself).

bfisher
12-21-2010, 09:06 AM
The only problem I see with any of these type of sights is that although they remove the need for a peep they still have a front and rear aiming point that must be aligned. And if you have old eyes like mine it might be a real booger to see them both clearly enough to do so.

I maybe been shooting too long, but I'm not ready to give up my Verifier lens any time soon. Nor am I ever going back to a square pin guard.

Besides, with tht short sight radius there has to be some loss of accuracy unless you really put your head in gear while aiming.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-21-2010, 01:00 PM
I have to agree unless the sight is the same length as your draw. It is just like a pistol. Very hard for long shots. Short range maybe ok, but not sure its worth the price.
Hutch

Ehunter
12-21-2010, 02:42 PM
I do have to wonder how well this would work for someone with bifocals like I have. Every year that peep sight gets more blurry if the target is in focus. Think I might try that sight called Lasik. lol

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-21-2010, 02:47 PM
I do have to wonder how well this would work for someone with bifocals like I have. Every year that peep sight gets more blurry if the target is in focus. Think I might try that sight called Lasik. lol

I had to go with bifocal contacts this year:eek:. Made it a lot easier shooting.
Hutch

justin
12-22-2010, 02:42 PM
grip on a pistol seems to have as much with accuracy of a pistol as building a good sight picture. and gripping a pistol is probably just as technical as gripping a bow. i do know my groups fall apart with either if i dont consentrate. if i cant focus, i might as well pack it up.

jdh513
01-19-2011, 07:23 AM
Do these rear mounted sights fit on the new 2011 Martins with the TRG? It seems like space might be an issue.

Jeremy

bfisher
01-19-2011, 08:13 AM
I do have to wonder how well this would work for someone with bifocals like I have. Every year that peep sight gets more blurry if the target is in focus. Think I might try that sight called Lasik. lol

I'm trying to figure out just what you and Hutch are talking about. I too wear glasses with bifocals, but not while I'm shooting. My glasses aren't coated or anything so shooting with them creates enough issues (reflections)that I can't see to shoot with them on. This soon going to be corrected with new glasses.

However, I don't understand the comment about the peep being blurry. I never even look at the peep. In reality I look through the peep so don't even know it's there. If the bow's drawlength is set up right and your anchor is consistent then why do you need to see the peep. Either it's there or it isn't so what benefit do bifocals provide when aiming. You can't see long distance with them and the target is where you should be looking so the peep and sight pin would normally be blurry anyway.

Help me out here.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-19-2011, 01:43 PM
I'm trying to figure out just what you and Hutch are talking about. I too wear glasses with bifocals, but not while I'm shooting. My glasses aren't coated or anything so shooting with them creates enough issues (reflections)that I can't see to shoot with them on. This soon going to be corrected with new glasses.

However, I don't understand the comment about the peep being blurry. I never even look at the peep. In reality I look through the peep so don't even know it's there. If the bow's drawlength is set up right and your anchor is consistent then why do you need to see the peep. Either it's there or it isn't so what benefit do bifocals provide when aiming. You can't see long distance with them and the target is where you should be looking so the peep and sight pin would normally be blurry anyway.

Help me out here.

Now I am trying to figure out what you are talking about Barry. I have bifocal contacts and they are not blurry. They make my shooting a lot easier.

Hutch

Ehunter
01-19-2011, 02:10 PM
Barry, I use the peep to center the sight frame in, then place the pin on target. It used to be that I had a very nice, clear, crisp hole(peep) when I looked through it, then kinda let it fade to blurry as I focused on the target. Now, at full draw, the peep is always blurry. Changing the focal point to the target, I virtually lose the peep altogether. I know I'm still on with a good solid anchor, but I'm used to being able to see the peep clearly when I draw back.

bfisher
01-19-2011, 05:53 PM
Barry, I use the peep to center the sight frame in, then place the pin on target. It used to be that I had a very nice, clear, crisp hole(peep) when I looked through it, then kinda let it fade to blurry as I focused on the target. Now, at full draw, the peep is always blurry. Changing the focal point to the target, I virtually lose the peep altogether. I know I'm still on with a good solid anchor, but I'm used to being able to see the peep clearly when I draw back.

OK I can see what you are saying now.

And Hutch, I might end up with bifocal contacts instead of glasses. Just don't know yet. Are yours the extended wear type? Just how good do they work for you?

MLN1963
01-20-2011, 04:19 AM
Barry, I use the peep to center the sight frame in, then place the pin on target. It used to be that I had a very nice, clear, crisp hole(peep) when I looked through it, then kinda let it fade to blurry as I focused on the target. Now, at full draw, the peep is always blurry. Changing the focal point to the target, I virtually lose the peep altogether. I know I'm still on with a good solid anchor, but I'm used to being able to see the peep clearly when I draw back.


THis might be worth a try, I was just reading about it yesterday.

Nite Hawk Peep (http://www.nitehawkarchery.com/My_Homepage_Files/Page3.html)

http://www.nitehawkarchery.com/My_Homepage_Files/IMG_31.jpg

jdh513
01-21-2011, 01:13 PM
TTT

Anyone use a rear mounted (peepless) setup with 2011 Martins, or have an opinion whether it can or can work with the TRG? What if the TRG was moved down to lower on the riser? Possible?

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-21-2011, 01:29 PM
OK I can see what you are saying now.

And Hutch, I might end up with bifocal contacts instead of glasses. Just don't know yet. Are yours the extended wear type? Just how good do they work for you?

Mine are not extended wear. As on how they work for me, great so far. Its been a year and I am happy. The doctor gave me a pair to try for a month, and that is all it took. I shoot very well with them, I see the computer very well. The only thing I will mention is when read a book, you can't bring it too close or they will magnify it to a blur. Just like reading glasses or bifocal glasses.

Hutch

archerx7
01-21-2011, 02:09 PM
TTT

Anyone use a rear mounted (peepless) setup with 2011 Martins, or have an opinion whether it can or can work with the TRG? What if the TRG was moved down to lower on the riser? Possible?

I don't use one, but I do know the HindSight will work, already installed one of them on a 2011 FC. I'm not real sure if the Eliminator will work, looking at the pictures and doing some measurements, it looks like a tight fit.

jdh513
01-21-2011, 04:06 PM
Thanks archerx7. Any other thoughts on Eliminating the peep with compatibility with the TRG/SOS?

I tried to move the TRG//SOS to the lower slot in the riser. Doesn't work on the FC400. The lower riser slot is too thin and not deep enough.

Ehunter
01-22-2011, 04:59 AM
I took a look at that peep, and made a very simplified version out of electrical tape. Stuck that on my peep, and tried it. Definitely might have some possibilities. Thanks for the tip!

archerx7
01-22-2011, 08:31 AM
Thanks archerx7. Any other thoughts on Eliminating the peep with compatibility with the TRG/SOS?

I tried to move the TRG//SOS to the lower slot in the riser. Doesn't work on the FC400. The lower riser slot is too thin and not deep enough.

Not sure if you also posted this on AT?, but I'll respond here also. You can use a kisser, you'll just need to remove the SOS and install an aftermarket sts in either the front or rear stab holes. There are several very good aftermarket sts units available with the option of front or rear mount.

jdh513
01-22-2011, 01:06 PM
That is me on AT asking about the same stuff. Thanks again.

MLN1963
01-22-2011, 02:29 PM
I took a look at that peep, and made a very simplified version out of electrical tape. Stuck that on my peep, and tried it. Definitely might have some possibilities. Thanks for the tip!

Keep me informed. I'm most likely going to give it a try when I get outfitted.