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Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-23-2010, 02:22 PM
Catfish / torqueless string loop any one use it. What are the benefits?
Hutch

SonnyThomas
12-23-2010, 05:14 PM
I've heard of it. Do a search in AT General Archery Discussion. Someone had Post on it and how to make it I believe it is something of another loop made by someone in Australia. It attaches without use of a knot and below the arrow and uses a tied string nock for a nocking point. Let me dig in my files......
Found it. You can buy them pre-built. Here's a pic. Client's Loopy. www.clientsloopy.com

Money Man
12-23-2010, 08:30 PM
I don't remember who suggested this website, but I found lots of neat info at archeryreport.com here is a link to the catfish loop http://archeryreport.com/2010/08/tie-catfishtorqueless-bowstring-loop/

Montalaar
12-23-2010, 09:20 PM
me is using catfish but no torqueless.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-24-2010, 12:12 PM
So what are the benefits of one?
HUTCH

Montalaar
12-24-2010, 12:49 PM
Search for catfish-loop. I made a tutorial with pictures for the forum this summer or fall.

The beneftis are:
- Individual and perfect fitting length
- Without knots.
- individual strength and thickness

Money Man
12-24-2010, 08:16 PM
According to the archery report website, the benefits are no torque on the bowstring, no knots, and easy to replace in the field, also indestructible. The down side is it takes time to learn, and does not pull peep into position due to it rotating freely.

Montalaar
12-24-2010, 11:41 PM
The down side is it takes time to learn, and does not pull peep into position due to it rotating freely.

Which is not bad at all. If you have a good string your Peep will not rotate at draw. So once you have setup your bow with a good string you will be fine.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-25-2010, 02:42 AM
Montalaar is correct! A very well made string there is no peep movement. When I first started making strings I had some peep rotation. Now usually I get none.
Hopefully when I can get around to building my new string jig It will make string building a breeze.
Hutch

Simple Life
12-25-2010, 05:51 AM
I like it but still will stick to my D-loop.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
12-25-2010, 06:08 AM
I am debating what to do. Use as a d loop or torque-less loop. As a d loop you are assured that the loop will not fall off, nor will it grab the string. As a torque-less loop it will make your shots torque free.:confused:

Hutch

Money Man
12-25-2010, 06:12 AM
I thought it was odd, that they would list not pulling the peep into position, as a con, since I thought having a peep that does not move was a good thing.

SonnyThomas
12-25-2010, 07:55 AM
My loop is about as torqueless as it can get, but helped with the top coming off the right side and the bottom coming off the left side. Next, I have a TRU Ball ST360 with adjustable head and adjusted to the natural angle of the loop. Of note; One should have someone watch to how their release effects the loop. If twisting, reverse how the loop string comes off the string. Example, though angle not as extreme; Normal for right hand - / . Normal for left hand - \ .

The Catfish or at least the Loopy has proved itself. If it helps, the Loopy was made and used by the 90m record holder, Client Freeman. Torqueless and applies downward pressure.

Mmm??? Of all loops, I think, they must be checked after being installed. I use tied string nocks, the top the nocking point and the bottom tied *.040" below the nock of the arrow to give downward pressure. You need a certain amount of downward pressure to keep the arrow in contact with the rest. Here, remove the tip (or use a blank shaft) and come to full draw. If the arrow comes off the rest with drawing then there is not enough downward pressure. Of course this is hard to check with some of today's drop rests. The solution is to rig the drop rest so the launch arm is up when drawing.
Some make the bottom tied nock twice as long as the top, this making the bottom knot of the loop lower. Still, I like space so the arrow nock is not pinched.

* I noted .040", but I've seen as much as 1/8" gap and accuracy was excellent. I also watched and the arrow nock always held to the top knot or tied string nock. Wierd, I thought, but hey, it worked.

Normal loop; Not using tied string nocks. Note the knot touching the nock of the arrow. Most generally it is not evenly touching, so there is possible deflection. Still, I have seen a loop only shoot work quite well.

Some years back I tried the under only loop using the standard double knot loop. I could not see any loss of accuracy.