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BAhuntinPa
01-05-2011, 01:36 PM
First off I just want to say thanks I have posted a couple threads trying to get my saber set up and you guys have been a big help. Now I have paper tuned and horizontal\vertical line tuned im getting super tight groups but cant move my tru glo sight antmore left. I was wondering if Anyone else has ever had this prob and if it was a shooting form prob or something in the bow setup.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2011, 01:41 PM
This has been a issue for many. If you could post some pics. It helps us to see the whole picture. No pun intended. There are many reasons for this but if we can look at a pic it helps.

Hutch

BAhuntinPa
01-05-2011, 01:50 PM
What do you want pics of?

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2011, 01:54 PM
Side shot of the rest and sight. Than maybe a back shot of the alignment of the rest and the sight. But be sure there is an arrow nocked for the back shot. Hopefully with all this talent here we can help.


Hutch

bowgramp59
01-05-2011, 01:54 PM
move your arrow rest to the right

Arrow Splitter
01-05-2011, 02:01 PM
It is possible that the arrow rest is the problem. If the rest is too far to the left, that would explain why the sight is so far over to the left. Also, make sure you are not torquing the bow during the shot.

BAhuntinPa
01-05-2011, 02:41 PM
Here are those pics

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2011, 02:56 PM
Unfortunately the pics are a tad to small to see whats totally going on. But from the last pic it looks like there is an alignment problem. Looking down your bow with an arrow nocked does the arrow look like it is in the center of the limb bolts and riser center. That is where I would start. An old timer trick is to get a big elastic and stretch it over the limb bolt spacers (with an arrow nocked). Then center the arrow in the middle of the bands. This gives you a good visual to see how far off the sight is.

Hutch

BAhuntinPa
01-05-2011, 03:15 PM
Sorry does that help and when you say limb bolt spacers do you mean on the limb or under between the riser and limb.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2011, 03:18 PM
Sorry does that help and when you say limb bolt spacers do you mean on the limb or under between the riser and limb.

On the limb around the spacers of the limb bolts. By the look here the rest is out.

Hutch

Arrow Splitter
01-05-2011, 03:19 PM
Sorry does that help and when you say limb bolt spacers do you mean on the limb or under between the riser and limb.

Yeah, your rest is too far left, so it doesn't line up with the string.

BAhuntinPa
01-05-2011, 03:34 PM
Thanks Hutch its definatly off to the left quite a bit. Why would my paper tune have looked correct if the rest is so far off.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2011, 04:52 PM
Put the elastic band on like this. This will give you an approx on the centering and the sight. You can also put an allen key in both limb bolts and then put on the elastic band. that will bring the band closer together to give you an even more accurate centering of the rest and sight
http://www.martinarchery.com/mtechforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1469&stc=1&d=1294278668

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-05-2011, 05:24 PM
http://www.martinarchery.com/mtechforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1471&stc=1&d=1294280763
This is with using 2 allen keys in the limb bolts.
This surly gives the visual of alignment.

HUTCH

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-06-2011, 04:14 PM
Thanks Hutch its definatly off to the left quite a bit. Why would my paper tune have looked correct if the rest is so far off.

How far away were you paper tuning?

Hutch

BAhuntinPa
01-06-2011, 04:56 PM
Bout 10 feet. I tried today to get it to paper tune without suceeding. I decided to start from scratch. I noticed that my rest was also too high, my arrow when level was sitting almost even with the top of the two holes in the riser. I changed my nock point to match my new rest height and I think tomorrow I am gonna try either walk back tuning or bare shaft tuning. Hopefully everything goes better tomorrow.

BAhuntinPa

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-06-2011, 05:07 PM
At 10 feet away some bows will bullet hole. My old altitude would at short distance, but at 20 to 30 yards it wouldn't. The method of putting the elastic over the bolts works well. Only if every thing else is right.

Walk back tuning is one of the best methods. I like this link that shows you how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rMYJjjpHXg

Sounds like you are on the right track once there the fun should begin.

Hutch

BAhuntinPa
01-06-2011, 05:29 PM
I think I got it now. Hopefully I just needed to take a minute think and reckeck everything. Ill post tomorrow after tune and let you know how I make out.
Thanks for all your help
BAhuntinPa

bfisher
01-06-2011, 05:55 PM
I think I got it now. Hopefully I just needed to take a minute think and reckeck everything. Ill post tomorrow after tune and let you know how I make out.
Thanks for all your help
BAhuntinPa

Please, oh please get it right. I don't want to have to get in my truck and drive down there. You do realize I'm only about 50 miles away.

If you don't have the room to shoot long during walk-back tuning you could try French Tuning. I don't know how the Saber compares to some of the other Martin bows, but I could not get either my FireCat, Moab or Rytera AZ to paper tune or bare shaft tune so don't be surprised if you can't either. Sometimes it's just a matter of eyebaling for centershot and shoot the bow. Sounds ugly but that's just how it is sometimes.

BAhuntinPa
01-07-2011, 12:59 PM
I tried paper and walk back tuning again without any luck. I really think its a bad form thing more than bow not setup right. Im gonna try the french tune tomorrow thanks Bfisher. There really isnt much online about french tuning. Surprising because it looks so easy. Thanks again

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Type in the search for tunning for dummies. Sonny does a great job at explaining French tunning.

HUTCH

Wes Stigall
01-07-2011, 03:56 PM
Have someone else shoot the bow--check for too stiff or to soft arrows -work on consistant shot s --good luck wes

BAhuntinPa
01-09-2011, 11:20 AM
I french tuned today. It worked great. Thanks Bfisher. And Wes I am workin on my form and think im gettin better. I know i have a long way to go. I really appreciate everyones help I couldnt have done it without you guys.