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Simple Life
01-08-2011, 04:57 PM
Planning on a new bow in the spring,and right now it is a toss between the Firecat 400 and the Firecat 360.

Here's my situation.

I don't shoot tornaments or anything like
My max shot from my stand is 30yrds
Never owned a dual cam before and the shop is a 2 hour drive.

So should I stick with a single cam or jump to a dual?I can't shoot either of these bows either,they will have to be ordered in.Just like some opinions ,want to make the right choice in 2 months:)

Thanks for your input.

SL

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-08-2011, 05:13 PM
Planning on a new bow in the spring,and right now it is a toss between the Firecat 400 and the Firecat 360.

Here's my situation.

I don't shoot tornaments or anything like
My max shot from my stand is 30yrds
Never owned a dual cam before and the shop is a 2 hour drive.

So should I stick with a single cam or jump to a dual?I can't shoot either of these bows either,they will have to be ordered in.Just like some opinions ,want to make the right choice in 2 months:)

Thanks for your input.

SL

Dual won't hurt ya! They are not hard to work on. And I am sure we can help so you won' have to drive.

HUTCH

Rottzilla
01-08-2011, 05:26 PM
Dual won't hurt ya! They are not hard to work on. And I am sure we can help so you won' have to drive.

HUTCH

Exactly we are here for you, I am sure that what ever comes up you can get the answers you need.

Remember shoot what you feel comfortable with.

Will

Arrow Splitter
01-08-2011, 05:28 PM
Ahh, the classic dual(aka Hybrid) vs. single cam. I believe you can't go wrong with either, but if it's any help I probably will go with the hybrid cams when I get a new bow.

Spiker
01-08-2011, 08:49 PM
The 400 will shoot at the same speed as the 360 at less draw weight.

alex
01-09-2011, 01:52 AM
Since you already have a single cam bow you'd better take the Firecat 400. Someday i will also buy a new faster hybrid cam bow to add to my moab. :)

polaris754
01-09-2011, 04:06 AM
i feel its a matter of fiddleing or not if if your a constant fiddler get the twin cam , as the strings stretch the sync goes off and u have to fiddle, then there are the days it will shoot the hair off a fly , and then u scratch ur head the next because u cant hit the target at 10 feet i have had my fill off twin cams :D

SonnyThomas
01-09-2011, 04:38 AM
With today's strings, and the new Martin's having the HammerHead strings, there is not the fussing to keep peak tune.

bfisher
01-09-2011, 11:43 AM
Sonny hit on this one. Those who have had rpoblems with dual cams going out of sync may have a sour note in their craw, but with today's better string material and construction most of these problems have been resolved.

If you get one with the Nitro or Cat cams it may not be sycned correctly from the factory, but it's not hard to make adjustments to fix the problem. Once done it should be pretty much foolproof.

Mentioned above is about the speed difference and I'd like to elaborate on that. The Cat cam is a harder drawing cam than the Accutrac----at a given draw weight. Where the big difference is though is that the FCat 400 will get the same speed as the FCat 360 at about 7-8# less draw weight which in effect makes it feel almost as easy as the AccuTrac cam. And I don't care who you are or how big and strong you are you still have to roll the cam over and 70# is 70# if that is what you draw.

If you shoot something like 70#, for instance, and can still handle the Nitro cam at 70# then you'll see about 20 fps speed increase by shooting the Nitro cam as compared to the Accutrac. I'm just using 70# as an example. The speed differene would be the same at any given weight so long as the same arrow is being used.

Seriously, a 2hr drive might seem like a lot, but I would still advise shooting both bows, set up for your draw, and see which you like. I would say to set them both up so they chronograph the same and see how much difference you notice in the draw cycle. Just don't overbow ourself for the sake of speed. Make it comfortable on yourself.

Simple Life
01-09-2011, 01:17 PM
With today's strings, and the new Martin's having the HammerHead strings, there is not the fussing to keep peak tune.

That is one of the things I was worried about.

Simple Life
01-09-2011, 01:24 PM
Sonny hit on this one. Those who have had rpoblems with dual cams going out of sync may have a sour note in their craw, but with today's better string material and construction most of these problems have been resolved.

If you get one with the Nitro or Cat cams it may not be sycned correctly from the factory, but it's not hard to make adjustments to fix the problem. Once done it should be pretty much foolproof.

Mentioned above is about the speed difference and I'd like to elaborate on that. The Cat cam is a harder drawing cam than the Accutrac----at a given draw weight. Where the big difference is though is that the FCat 400 will get the same speed as the FCat 360 at about 7-8# less draw weight which in effect makes it feel almost as easy as the AccuTrac cam. And I don't care who you are or how big and strong you are you still have to roll the cam over and 70# is 70# if that is what you draw.

If you shoot something like 70#, for instance, and can still handle the Nitro cam at 70# then you'll see about 20 fps speed increase by shooting the Nitro cam as compared to the Accutrac. I'm just using 70# as an example. The speed differene would be the same at any given weight so long as the same arrow is being used.

Seriously, a 2hr drive might seem like a lot, but I would still advise shooting both bows, set up for your draw, and see which you like. I would say to set them both up so they chronograph the same and see how much difference you notice in the draw cycle. Just don't overbow ourself for the sake of speed. Make it comfortable on yourself.

Well thats the problem,I can't shoot both,he has to bring it in for me.:(
I would love to be able shoot both.I would like to get a Dual,I was just worried about keeping the cams in sync,seen alot of articles of people
going crazy trying to get them to tune.

Simple Life
01-09-2011, 01:25 PM
Thks for everybody input,it is valuable.As of right now I think it will be the Firecat 400:)
Come on March.

bfisher
01-09-2011, 06:09 PM
Let me put it another way then. I syarted out shooting compounds 38 years ago. Back in those days bows had stell cables so there was very little problem with "wheels" going out of sync.

Sometime in the 80's the transistion came along to fastflight materials and the problems started. Although fastflight did creep the real problem was the lack of quality of string/cable making in those days. Neither were prestretched and served under extreme tension. Therefore they did creep and being hand made no two were the same so they crept at different rates.

Along came the single cam bow which was supposed to be the god's end of all these problems. It did take care of cam sync problems, but people didn't realize that strings still crept and single cams could go out of time, which changed the tune of the bow.

So all during this time string materials and string making have improved to a point that either cam system has little problems these days if quality strings are put on the bow in the first place. Some companies still cut corners when it comes to strings.

I shot dual cam bows up until 1998 when I got my first solo cam bow. Finding just as many problems with the strings the bows' tune kept changing so it was with great pleasure that I wnet back to a dual cam system when I joined Martin in 2004. I can honestly say that I can't remember any of my dual cam Martins going out of sync to a point that required more than a twist or two in a cable to correct them, and haven't had any bow with the Double Helix Elite (Stone Mountain) string change to date.

I used to replace the OE strings right from the start, but have been shooting factory offerings on the Pro Shop series bows just to see how good they are so that I can answer questions like this. Besides, I'm cheap.

The strings on the 2011 Pro series bows are supposedly even better so I would not let this deter me from getting a dual or binary cammed bow.

Hope this helps you with your decision.

Simple Life
01-10-2011, 12:20 PM
Great info.I have 3 single cams and I think it is time to try something different.Not like I need the speed at my stand,but I never really thought about being able to turn down the dual cam to lower draw weight and be as fast as a high lb draw on a single

Thks again

SL

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-10-2011, 12:28 PM
I never really thought about being able to turn down the dual cam to lower draw weight and be as fast as a high lb draw on a single

Thks again

SL

Just think of how good that will feel.

Hutch

Simple Life
01-10-2011, 12:32 PM
Just think of how good that will feel.

Hutch

:DLOL ,yup my shoulders are liking this.

Simple Life
01-10-2011, 12:36 PM
Wish they had a better view of the camo pattern,I wanna get a good look at the Bonz pattern,but it is tooo small.Thinking of taking a trip down into Maine in the spring,suppose to be a achery shop there that carries the Martin line,so I might be able to get my hands on one first.