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CarlosII
01-24-2011, 04:36 PM
I appreciate the help given here on the forum as I try to get this Shadowcat shooting like it should. I'd like to impose some more on their good nature.

Question: The cables are touching/rubbing below the cable rod. Is this normal?

Question: I was told by one Martin staff shooter that the position the SC likes best as far as the arrow plane is concerned is when half the burger hole is showing with an arrow in place. Does that sound right?

I really like the way this bow draws, but my arrows are scattered all over the place. I'm shooting Victory X Ringer 350's which is stiff for my 27.5 inch draw/50 pound draw weight. The rest is a Bodoodle 500.

Any suggestions will be taken into consideration and appreciated.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-24-2011, 04:53 PM
I appreciate the help given here on the forum as I try to get this Shadowcat shooting like it should. I'd like to impose some more on their good nature.

Question: The cables are touching/rubbing below the cable rod. Is this normal?

Question: I was told by one Martin staff shooter that the position the SC likes best as far as the arrow plane is concerned is when half the burger hole is showing with an arrow in place. Does that sound right?

I really like the way this bow draws, but my arrows are scattered all over the place. I'm shooting Victory X Ringer 350's which is stiff for my 27.5 inch draw/50 pound draw weight. The rest is a Bodoodle 500.

Any suggestions will be taken into consideration and appreciated.

Cables rubbing? In most cases the glide will separate them. But I have also seen the cable glide in backwards and that allowed the cables to touch. Rubbing won't hurt them. But checkout glides that separate better.

Berger hole ? Yes this is right. In line or midway is ok.

Arrow placement? Assuming your form is perfect, then the next stage is arrows. My son was all over the place and we found out today that after he tuned the arrows he is grouping perfectly.
One last thing if your center serving is too tight this too will have a major effect on how the arrow leaves the string.
Hutch

SonnyThomas
01-24-2011, 05:16 PM
No, the cables should not rub. As Hutch said, possibly the guide is on backwards or one cable is on the wrong side - So bow press time here.
The cables rubbing could rob speed - I had this before and I did lose speed.

I really don't have a answer for the arrows/grouping thing. Bob D shoots a Bengal has great accuracy and at only 45 pounds.

SonnyThomas
01-24-2011, 06:10 PM
Carlso, if you didn't live so far away I'd say bring it to me. I'd have that Shadow shooting or at least know why it wasn't shooting.

Spiker
01-24-2011, 07:17 PM
I appreciate the help given here on the forum as I try to get this Shadowcat shooting like it should. I'd like to impose some more on their good nature.

Question: The cables are touching/rubbing below the cable rod. Is this normal?

Question: I was told by one Martin staff shooter that the position the SC likes best as far as the arrow plane is concerned is when half the burger hole is showing with an arrow in place. Does that sound right?

I really like the way this bow draws, but my arrows are scattered all over the place. I'm shooting Victory X Ringer 350's which is stiff for my 27.5 inch draw/50 pound draw weight. The rest is a Bodoodle 500.

Any suggestions will be taken into consideration and appreciated.

What is the length of your arrows? 350 spine seems really stiff.
Have you tried 400's?

Montalaar
01-24-2011, 10:56 PM
I appreciate the help given here on the forum as I try to get this Shadowcat shooting like it should. I'd like to impose some more on their good nature.

Question: The cables are touching/rubbing below the cable rod. Is this normal?

Question: I was told by one Martin staff shooter that the position the SC likes best as far as the arrow plane is concerned is when half the burger hole is showing with an arrow in place. Does that sound right?

I really like the way this bow draws, but my arrows are scattered all over the place. I'm shooting Victory X Ringer 350's which is stiff for my 27.5 inch draw/50 pound draw weight. The rest is a Bodoodle 500.

Any suggestions will be taken into consideration and appreciated.

Rubbing cables can happen. You can work this out by trying different cable slides. Or just ignore it at that should not create that lot of wear to it. I'd ignore it...

The Arrow position in relation to the Berger hole is not important in my eyes. Keep it somehwere around the Berger hole and everything is good. It is much more important that the height relation between your nocking point and your rest is good. What does it help if the arrow is right beside the Berger hole, your nocking point is waaaay off to high or too low? Nothing.

350 spine? lol!
I shoot 32" draw, 60 lbs and use 300 spine arrows with 160gr tips and they work for my ShadowCat and me. I'd try 400 or less stiff with your draw/weight ratio. Easton chart gives me .500 arrows for your setup (assuming your using 125gr tips).

CarlosII
01-25-2011, 03:47 AM
I really appreciate all the responses.
I suspect the previous owner replaced the original cable slide with an after-market one. The one on there now is white and I think the original slide was black. Used bows off the internet...:D
I am trying the Victory's because I was wanting to shot a fatter arrow for 3D. Its too bad that the 350 is the weakest spine they offer.
I've had the bow in the vise, leveled everything up, and the shaft on the rest, when nocked, is dead level.
Back to the range today to try some more stuff and check the cam timing, as best I can.

Montalaar
01-25-2011, 05:59 AM
I really appreciate all the responses.
I suspect the previous owner replaced the original cable slide with an after-market one. The one on there now is white and I think the original slide was black. Used bows off the internet...:D
I am trying the Victory's because I was wanting to shot a fatter arrow for 3D. Its too bad that the 350 is the weakest spine they offer.
I've had the bow in the vise, leveled everything up, and the shaft on the rest, when nocked, is dead level.
Back to the range today to try some more stuff and check the cam timing, as best I can.

The original Martin slide on the ShadowCat is also white. You can see that on the pictures of my ShadowCat at the other thread. The carbon bow was just out of the box when i took the picture.

Check GT arrows. They have large diameter lightweight and light spined carbon arrows.

ElkSlayer
01-25-2011, 06:48 AM
I agree so long as the arrow is running threw the berger hole you can tune easy enough from there. nock Pt being dead level @ a 90* to string may be a small issue, might raise it a tad. And yea that 340 spine is flat killing you.. sorry have to go lighter...I use 400's @ 30" and 32" off two bows that are 55 -58 lbs

SonnyThomas
01-25-2011, 12:46 PM
The original Martin slide on the ShadowCat is also white. You can see that on the pictures of my ShadowCat at the other thread. The carbon bow was just out of the box when i took the picture.

Check GT arrows. They have large diameter lightweight and light spined carbon arrows.

Yes, white slide - short slot end goes to riser. Bottom cam, cable to front of cam should be on the outside all the way up - it goes in the short slot. Other cable should be to left of first cable and not cross the first cable.

SonnyThomas
01-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Just checked with Bob D. He is using X Ringer 350s with pin nocks, 2" Blazers, and 150 gr glue in field points. His Bengal is set to 48 pounds and has a 26 1/2" draw. His bow is accurate. So the 150 gr tips are evidently giving good spine.

CarlosII
01-25-2011, 04:49 PM
I picked up the Hamseka third axis tool at the ATA show and put it on the sight today. Bubble was way off on first and second axis. That adjustment made a great deal of difference. In addition, I replaced the Bodoodle with a cheap prong type rest I had laying around. That too helped. I just ain't smart enough to tune the Bodoodle.
I found the Victorys aren't quite as straight as the Eastons I've shot before. I had a couple that I just could not get to tune, rotated nocks didn't help at all.
We'll see what happens tomorrow night.

Thanks to all who have commented. Great forum.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
01-25-2011, 04:58 PM
I picked up the Hamseka third axis tool at the ATA show and put it on the sight today. Bubble was way off on first and second axis. That adjustment made a great deal of difference. In addition, I replaced the Bodoodle with a cheap prong type rest I had laying around. That too helped. I just ain't smart enough to tune the Bodoodle.
I found the Victorys aren't quite as straight as the Eastons I've shot before. I had a couple that I just could not get to tune, rotated nocks didn't help at all.
We'll see what happens tomorrow night.

Thanks to all who have commented. Great forum.

On the arrows change nocks around or replace them in the two you could not get to fly right. My son took hours and finally got all his arrows hitting a 50 cent size dot. Turning nocks around doesn't always do it sometimes changing field tips helps. Field tips can vary in weight and in roundness. As far as the Bodoodle there is not much to tune there. I have one and it is the most accurate rest I own. The only thing you need right on it is the arrow weight adjustment.

Hutch

madlaz
01-26-2011, 02:14 AM
Carlos try the Easton Fat Boys 400 with 125 and 145 grain tips with 4 3" feathers fletghed at 90 degrees 30 or31 inches long.