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Hutch~n~Son Archery
02-07-2011, 02:07 PM
Cable guard still around still works.
Shoot thru's not around any more.
CCS came and almost gone already.
TRG already having some minor problems.

Should I stay with the cable guard or try the TRG?
Not sure what do you think?

Hutch:cool:

kylecurtis04
02-07-2011, 02:13 PM
what problems has the TRG had?

Spiker
02-07-2011, 02:23 PM
Cable guard still around still works.
Shoot thru's not around any more.
CCS came and almost gone already.
TRG already having some minor problems.

Should I stay with the cable guard or try the TRG?
Not sure what do you think?

Hutch:cool:

Like ya said - rod and slide work just fine. And are tunable...
X systems are awesome - just noisy and cumbersome so will never catch on. (If I were young again and a target shooter I wouldn't have anything else)
CCS - I have it on 4 bows and have no problems at all.
TRG - no opinion cuz I dont have one to put thru my torture tests...

Summary - how about an angled slide...?...

Hutch~n~Son Archery
02-07-2011, 02:54 PM
what problems has the TRG had?

Here is a link. http://www.martinarchery.com/mtechforum/showthread.php?t=8635


Hutch

kylecurtis04
02-07-2011, 03:01 PM
Here is a link. http://www.martinarchery.com/mtechforum/showthread.php?t=8635


Hutch


oh yea. I remember that post, but that had nothing to do with the TRG system itself. Somehow serving got on the cable, wether it was martin or the owner Im sure we will never know, and the serving was sliding up and down on the TRG causing it to eat at each other. If the serving was gone then this would have never been a problem.

bfisher
02-07-2011, 03:50 PM
Cable guard still around still works.
Shoot thru's not around any more.
CCS came and almost gone already.
TRG already having some minor problems.

Should I stay with the cable guard or try the TRG?
Not sure what do you think?

Hutch:cool:

I doubt there is a perfect solution, no matter what. The old cable guard creates torque and lateral nock travel. The CCS creates torque and lateral nock travel. The TRG, helps minimize this, but is still in it's infancy. If Martin keeps it aroond then maybe they'll refine it some or one of the other companies will. The problem is that companies keep comping out with something NEW & IMPROVED, but never keep it around long enough to improve upon it.

I know Copterdoc and a few others are going to agree with me, as I consider the Nitrous X system to be the best that has come along since the mid 70's when bows had 4 wheels, two of those mounted mid-limb which held the cables to the side for fletching clearance while having an equal amount of tension on both sides of the wheel. Even this had a little torque as the string groove in the cam was offset about 5/32" away from center (left on a RH bow).

I had heard so many negative comments about Nitrous X cams from people who never shot them nor had any idea how the system worked. Such comments as cutting the cables with a broadhead while loading the bow just had no merit. Stupid people!!!!!!! They had no idea that the arrow was loaded from the front with the nock backed through the cables and onto the string, which became easy to do with the slightest bit of practice.

Instead of canning the Nitrous X Martin should have expanded on the idea and redesign the cams to get the draw cycles they have on the Binaries. Maybe even keep the Nitrous, change the letoff, and give it a more solid wall. Give us different modules for 65% like they did before. But I guess that's all history now.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
02-07-2011, 03:57 PM
So I guess Barry, wait and see how the TRG pans out before buying one.

Hutch:cool:

Ehunter
02-07-2011, 04:16 PM
Hutch, I can't complain one bit about the TRG system. What little build up I get on the cables is easily wiped off in a matter of seconds. It's really not much worse than the wax build-up you get with a standard cable slide. No signs of any wear on the cables or TRG itself. I'm thinking if anything, the build-up will diminish even more over time as the cables "polish" the TRG. The one and only problem I see with the TRG is in mounting some rests, like the NAP drop away containment rest. Those will require a slight modification of the rest. The TRG system isn't actually a new idea. The basic design has been around for a few years, and other comapnies have played with the design. I just think Martin was the first to get a good working model, and start using it.

bucknuts17
02-07-2011, 04:57 PM
could someone explain the trg system what does it stand for?

MLN1963
02-07-2011, 05:26 PM
Torque Reduction Guard

Hutch~n~Son Archery
02-07-2011, 05:32 PM
could someone explain the trg system what does it stand for?

TRG= Torque reducing guard

It brings the cables in toward the of the bow when drawn. Thus reducing the torque on the bow and the shot.

HUTCH

SonnyThomas
02-08-2011, 05:33 AM
I wonder if one could order a bow with the standard guide rod and string suppressor? Meaning, the hole drilled in the center instead of the hole showing on the side of the riser.

Mmmm? It's been a while back... Golden Eagle? Someone had a flex rod. Draw the bow and the rod would bend - so something on the order of the TRG.

Same difference? Years back Browning had the corkscrew cams (wheel type) that pulled the cables out of the way. There was no guide rod.

Seems all the roller guard systems are having problems....

Still, how does a bow get out of the factory with strings served at the TRG when it was found a problem?

Think process going on; guide rod = fixed travel = torque constant. TRG = Torque Reducing Guard = torque changed from bow at rest = angular torque in motion.

Again, I'm holding off on ordering a new bow.....

Hutch~n~Son Archery
02-08-2011, 07:37 AM
It just goes to say old is better. Cable rod for now. TRG maybe in the future.
Depending on performance.;)

HUTCH:cool:

alex
02-08-2011, 08:35 AM
Rambo's bow (made by Hoyt as far as i remember) also dodn't have a cable guard, but i can't say how it works. May be it works only in the movie world :D

Hutch~n~Son Archery
02-08-2011, 08:45 AM
I could shoot a 55# Mongolian horse-bow and not have to worry about any of those dumb mechanics.:rolleyes: Nice bow alex how old is it?

Ehunter
02-08-2011, 09:56 AM
Sonny, I believe Bowtech is using that flexible arm on their upper end bows. Or at least they did a year or so ago. While I do like the concept of the TRG, I think everyone is right. Time will tell. At least it's still possible to swap out a guide rod if you still want to, even with the new risers.

SonnyThomas
02-08-2011, 11:06 AM
Sonny, I believe Bowtech is using that flexible arm on their upper end bows. Or at least they did a year or so ago. While I do like the concept of the TRG, I think everyone is right. Time will tell. At least it's still possible to swap out a guide rod if you still want to, even with the new risers.

Yes, there wouldn't be a hole for the SOS, but with target shooting who cares? I can't even tell you the SOS works on my Shadowcat, maybe reduces the "twang."

alex
02-08-2011, 12:04 PM
I could shoot a 55# Mongolian horse-bow and not have to worry about any of those dumb mechanics.:rolleyes: Nice bow alex how old is it?

That's right, Hutch! With a trad bow it's only the pure pleasure of bowshooting. Speed and accuracy aren't everything. :) I've bought the bow about year and a half ago. Still have a lot to learn about the horsebows but this summer i had great time with it and some pretty good shots.

bfisher
02-08-2011, 03:10 PM
Sonny,

Check the Rytera site. See the Nemisis/buy now. It can be ordered with CCS or standard cable rod. At least that was for 2010. The 2011 models have not changed so far as I know so that is an option.

Spiker
02-08-2011, 08:01 PM
I still think that is a glitch in the matrix, unless they are offering some sort of new ccs for the '11 Nemesis.
The '10 Nemys came with a straight rod/slide and there is no way to mount a ccs on one.
The Alien X and Z will accept either but not the Nemesis.

bfisher
02-09-2011, 05:41 PM
I still think that is a glitch in the matrix, unless they are offering some sort of new ccs for the '11 Nemesis.
The '10 Nemys came with a straight rod/slide and there is no way to mount a ccs on one.
The Alien X and Z will accept either but not the Nemesis.

I hadn't thought of that. You're probably right.

bowgramp59
02-10-2011, 05:20 AM
i've got 4 bows with ccs system and an onza 3 with trg, haven't had any problems with either. i like the ccs the best. the cable slide has allways worked great, requires a little more attention than the ccs,[ cleaning cable rod and slide ] when they get a little dirty they jerk and squeak on the draw. i clean the ccs when i change or have the strings off the bow!