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upland woodie
03-02-2011, 09:01 AM
Ive been having problems tuning my bow. Im shooting a 2010 Firecat TR1 @ 62lbs, 28in draw, easton SL Elite arrows 400, wisker bisket rest. When I line everything up it wont papertune, with the tears telling me to move rest to the left. After adjusting the rest to shoot straight holes, looking at the bow from the front the arrow is extreme left... Just got it back from the pro shop after discovering/fixing cam lean, went to paper tune again w/ same results telling me to move the rest to the left, being unable to shoot bullet holes unless I do so. If anybody can please help Id really appreciate it, this has been an ongoing problem since I bought the bow new 7 monthes ago & its becoming very frustrating

gibson 787
03-02-2011, 10:12 AM
Woodie, don't want this to sound like a put down to the way you shoot, but it sounds like a problem with your form, especially if you're fairly new to shooting a compound bow. Or it could be that the fletching is making contact with something. Have you checked that?

Also, is it possible for you to get someone with plenty of compound experience to shoot it through paper, maybe someone at the pro shop.

Good luck :)

upland woodiw
03-02-2011, 11:16 AM
Gibson thanks for the response. Ture I am new to archery but it shoots bullets hole when the arrow is nocked & pointing extreme left. I realize it could be my form but the guys at the pro shop watched me shoot & said they couldnt see anything wrong on my end at least not as extreme as the bow indicates but its still possible & then we discovered the cam lean at full draw.
When lined up correctly/fixed by the pro shop or eyeballed by me, on release the arrow does come in contact the lower left part of the outter ring of the wisker bisket. The only way ive gotten rid of that is to move arrow rest left so the arrow flys straight though the rest but then again the arrow when nocked faces extremely left.
So bacially itll shoot straight through paper & the rest but arrow must to be facing extremely left to accomplish this. As new as I am to the sport, even I can tell something is not right not, to mention Ive been back and fourth to my pro shop & I have even sent the bow into Martins for smaller issues that I now believe stem from a bigger issue.
Today Im going back to the pro shop to drop the bow off for however long theyll need it to get it right, I really hope I didnt buy a $500 pile of junk

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-02-2011, 11:51 AM
Welcome the forum upland woodiw. It sounds just like your form or torquing the bow. The only other thing it could be is the rest is not centered. But more likely it is Torquing the bow.


Hutch:cool:

gibson 787
03-02-2011, 12:08 PM
Today Im going back to the pro shop to drop the bow off for however long theyll need it to get it right, I really hope I didnt buy a $500 pile of junk

Just wondering when you're at the pro shop, if they have a paper tuning set up there, and if so, maybe have one of the pros put a few arrows through.

I thought you may have a w biscuit fitted. They are probably one of the trickiest rests to deal with. As well as being very sensitive to form, ie torquing the bow on release, they must be fitted axactly perpendicular to the arrow, although on this issue, nock high or nock low tears usually occur.

Hope you get it sorted.

upland woodiw
03-02-2011, 12:55 PM
Talked to the pro shop, guess were gunna get it on a "hooter shooter" tonight I really hope its not me cause I cant even overexagerate a movement to compinsate for this. As far as grip goes i was taught to push/bace w/ an open hand to help eliminate torque & Ive even thought the leveling bubble on my sight was off. What other factors will add torque? I think my bow is adjusted right as far as fitting goes. I dont want to sound like Im not to blame, its highly possible, but if thats true ill be even more confused then I am right now. Any correct solution is what I want reguardless of how disappointing it may be.... guess well see tonight, ill keep you posted thank you for your input

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-02-2011, 01:04 PM
You sound like you have ruled out a lot of possibilities. One other thing came to mind. Jerking the trigger on the release. This is what happens when tap the release instead of wrapping your fingers 1st knuckle around the trigger and pull. This too will cause the string to oscillate and go to the opposite side of which ever hand you are. Also if the trigger is to hard to pull will cause that effect.

Hutch :cool:

archerx7
03-02-2011, 01:05 PM
UW, are you a right or left hand shooter ? Normally a right hand bow with a roller guard will tune inside(to the right) toward the riser instead of down the center, a left hand bow will tune inside(to the left).

When you say cam lean..., are you refering to the top idler ? If not, that also has to be adjusted by twisting one side of the yoke or the other.

gibson 787
03-02-2011, 01:16 PM
You sound like you have ruled out a lot of possibilities

I'm with Hutch here, and also on the trigger possibility. Other than that, I'd try it with a different rest. The Hooter should eliminate a few more possibilities.

Sorry you're having problems, that particular model is a great shooter, have one myself.

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-02-2011, 01:21 PM
The shooting machine doesn't lie. Its either bow or human that has the problem. I have a shooting machine and it has helped many of times. It will find the problem.

Hutch:cool:

upland woodiw
03-02-2011, 02:52 PM
THANK YOU for the responses... Being a newbie to the sport this issue seems a bit complicated for me. Ive gotten everything from different rests, arrow stiffness, cam lean, form, ect. I really apprecite the help & ill keep you posted after the hooter. Itd be nice to single out weather its equipment or operator error. Thank you all so much

gibson 787
03-02-2011, 02:57 PM
Thank you all so much

You're very welcome, and among friends here. We're all waiting with baited breath for the results of the hooter! :)

ElkSlayer
03-02-2011, 03:04 PM
I say its the bisket...:rolleyes:

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-02-2011, 03:08 PM
I say its the bisket...:rolleyes:

I'd say the same but I owned one and I could robin hood all day long with it. They only loose there accuracy after 40 to 50 yards:eek:

Hutch

Speedykills
03-02-2011, 04:48 PM
I have that same bow just got it a few weeks ago and its dead on out to 40yds,do all my own work too.Still using stock strings and cables.
These bows are really user friendly,and easy to tune.With everybody here it shouldnt be to hard to get you shooting bullets.

Ehunter
03-03-2011, 03:44 AM
If it's not the rest, I'd bet it's bow placement in the hand, torquing the bow. I was running into the same problems on my FC400 this year. The hand placement I have used for years didn't go well with the new riser design. The rest wasn't lining up anywhere near center to get bullet holes on paper. Walkback tuning was inconsistent, just nothing right. Ended up moving the bow slightly farther out towards my thumb, and now it's shooting like I would expect. Getting as good of groups at 70 yards as I was at 20 before I changed the hand placement.

copterdoc
03-03-2011, 04:03 AM
I need to make sure you are using the same "left" I think you are.

When you say left, do you mean closer to the riser?

If so, your bow is perfectly "normal". They ALL do that, unless they have a shoot-through cable system with balanced three track cams.

The reason is, that the string moves towards the cable guard side of the bow at full draw. At brace, it moves away from the cable guard side of the bow.

It's called 3rd axis shift.

If you don't like that, you can buy a discontinued Martin bow with Nitrous cams, install the X-mods and 4 cables (if it doesn't already have them) and be happy.

RLW
03-03-2011, 06:01 AM
THANK YOU for the responses... Being a newbie to the sport this issue seems a bit complicated for me. Ive gotten everything from different rests, arrow stiffness, cam lean, form, etc. I really apprecite the help & ill keep you posted after the hooter. Itd be nice to single out weather its equipment or operator error. Thank you all so much
Don't consider that Firecat a $500 peice of junk quite yet.
Did you try different rests and/or arrow stiffness, or is that only some of the advice given?

I don't claim to be any sort of expert, but just want to throw something out there, as I have had a bow and/or specific bow set-ups that didn't do what they were suppose too.........I've had to make adjustments exactly opposite of what is common or had to use arrows stiffer than was typical.
In your case, the 400 arrow (guessing 28-29" length?) is probably suppose to be the so called proper spine for your set-up, but I would at least try re-centering the center and shoot a 340 spine arrow of same length thru paper to see what happens.
Or back off the draw weight 4-5lbs and see if that makes a difference with your current arrow? Either way should rule out arrow stiffness issues.

I'm not a whisker biscuit fan, only because I just don't like the thought of my vanes intentionally being fired though something on purpose every shot.....but that's just me and my peeve. I know a lot of people love them, including a friend on mine that I practice and shoot 3D with.

I don't know what distance you paper tune at, but try at 6, 9 and 12ft and see if there is any difference.

Also don't remember reading how far off is it when rest is more in line?
Again just my opinion, but paper tune is a starting point and a well tuned accurate shooting bow doesn't always punch perfect bullet holes up inside 15ft or so.
Once I have my bows tuned to where fld points and fixed blade broadheads are flying clean and hitting the same at 20yds and out, I never recheck paper tune as it only frustrates me if I see it off again.

elkslayer4x5
03-03-2011, 08:04 AM
I would also look to the biscuit, aren't they prone to being tourque senitive? Of coures, I shoot off prongs, and so know nothing of biscuits except I prefer mine with gravey, and a few onions. :D

Speedykills
03-03-2011, 10:33 AM
I would also look to the biscuit, aren't they prone to being tourque senitive? Of coures, I shoot off prongs, and so know nothing of biscuits except I prefer mine with gravey, and a few onions. :D

Yes you are right,ive used them biscuits before and they are very sensitive to any kind of torque.Not saying there bad rest just sensitive.
If i was the OP i would try a QAD,code red,or something along them lines,more forgiving and they work great in any condition's.

Simple Life
03-03-2011, 12:48 PM
Wonder how he made out?

Arrow Splitter
03-03-2011, 02:17 PM
I would also look to the biscuit, aren't they prone to being tourque senitive? Of coures, I shoot off prongs, and so know nothing of biscuits except I prefer mine with gravey, and a few onions. :D

:rolleyes::rolleyes::D

Speedykills
03-03-2011, 04:35 PM
I would also look to the biscuit, aren't they prone to being tourque senitive? Of coures, I shoot off prongs, and so know nothing of biscuits except I prefer mine with gravey, and a few onions. :D

Replace the biscuits with liver,now your talkin good..................:D

Simple Life
03-03-2011, 04:40 PM
Replace the biscuits with liver,now your talkin good..................:D

Rather eat an onion:eek:

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-03-2011, 04:52 PM
Rather eat an onion:eek:

Now your are seeing the light!!!!

Arrow Splitter
03-03-2011, 04:55 PM
Now your are seeing the light!!!!

I'd say!:D:D:D

A.S

CaptJJ
03-04-2011, 10:01 AM
Gibson thanks for the response. Ture I am new to archery but it shoots bullets hole when the arrow is nocked & pointing extreme left. I realize it could be my form but the guys at the pro shop watched me shoot & said they couldnt see anything wrong on my end at least not as extreme as the bow indicates but its still possible & then we discovered the cam lean at full draw.
When lined up correctly/fixed by the pro shop or eyeballed by me, on release the arrow does come in contact the lower left part of the outter ring of the wisker bisket. The only way ive gotten rid of that is to move arrow rest left so the arrow flys straight though the rest but then again the arrow when nocked faces extremely left.
So bacially itll shoot straight through paper & the rest but arrow must to be facing extremely left to accomplish this. As new as I am to the sport, even I can tell something is not right not, to mention Ive been back and fourth to my pro shop & I have even sent the bow into Martins for smaller issues that I now believe stem from a bigger issue.
Today Im going back to the pro shop to drop the bow off for however long theyll need it to get it right, I really hope I didnt buy a $500 pile of junk

Sounds like your biggest problem is the biscuit, better form won't fix that.:D That's why I like containment style dropaways like the Ripcord.

rpalt1
03-04-2011, 02:25 PM
Hmmm biscuts and onions I'll be right over:D