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Ray from Auburn
03-10-2011, 03:48 PM
Just curious, what you guys think of the T.R.U.Ball speed loops used to keep the peep lined up? A friend suggested it since I'm always twisting the d-loop back to center. My Martins still have "factory" strings, my Parkers I believe use Stone Mountain.

NuttyNative
03-10-2011, 08:38 PM
I have been looking at them for a while. My "other" bow has a great set of Americas Best on it and no matter how you twist it my peep is off by 1/4 a twist. I think these would do the trick and give a few more fps.

cjchasman
03-11-2011, 02:57 AM
I have one on all my bows. I have a Parker w winners choice strings. It keeps the truest alignment without the speed loop, more than likely due to the quality of the string. But as a peace of mind sort a thing I still install the speed loop. Have not noticed any ill effect in speed or noise on any of my bows although I didn't chrono any before and after speeds.

bfisher
03-11-2011, 01:47 PM
Speed Loop? Talk to me fellows. My light bulb brain isn't lighting up. Got a link?

Arrow Splitter
03-11-2011, 01:50 PM
I believe this is what they're talking about:http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=279575

A.S

Simple Life
03-11-2011, 02:27 PM
Speed Loop? Talk to me fellows. My light bulb brain isn't lighting up. Got a link?

Never used one myself.

bfisher
03-11-2011, 02:42 PM
I believe this is what they're talking about:http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=279575

A.S

OK, I've seen them before. No opinion as I don't even use a loop.

SonnyThomas
03-11-2011, 03:32 PM
I'll pass.

Spiker
03-11-2011, 04:00 PM
I'll pass.

Yes me too.
But I suppose they are not quite as bad as the T.R.U NOK
http://truball.com/Nocks.html

Ehunter
03-11-2011, 04:28 PM
I can see it helping alignment, but to call it a "speed" loop? How does it help speed? I'll stick with my plain old BCY 24 Loop. No chance of the screws coming out. lol

bfisher
03-12-2011, 07:55 AM
I can see it helping alignment, but to call it a "speed" loop? How does it help speed? I'll stick with my plain old BCY 24 Loop. No chance of the screws coming out. lol

I agree. I've been around long enough to be able to use some common sense and anything added near the center of the string reduces speed.

CaptJJ
03-12-2011, 08:13 AM
When the Speed Loop first came out it was supposed to be faster because you wouldn't need a peep alignment tube anymore. But like Barry said they didn't consider the extra weight on the string.

I remember when all these nock devices came out, overdraws were still popular and the first skinny carbons were out. I was shooting with a guy that had an overdraw, carbons, 80 lb draw(looking for speed); he decided to try one of the all metal nocks. There was a metallic clank after each shot, by the thrid shot the aluminum overdraw was ruined, had about a 1" dent in the back. :D

cjchasman
03-17-2011, 11:47 AM
I agree. I've been around long enough to be able to use some common sense and anything added near the center of the string reduces speed.

For those of us with no common sense I would like to say most of us realize adding almost anything to the string reduces speed. Even in the case of speed buttons by the cam...if they aren't in the right spot they'll also slow you down. Martin sold or sells a device called the Speed Lizard which is a dampning device. In the ad for the "Speed" Lizard it was stated that it absorbs vibration without affecting arrow "speed". I'm not sure what T.R.U. meant when they said "speed loop" but I purchase and install them to help w/ peep alignment. I'm no pro and needed help to keep my peep aligned while hunting/shooting. As I continue to learn from you all I hope to be able to confidently set up my bows so the peep will always stay aligned correctly. As for the speed I lost , I'm not sure how many fps the speed loop costs me and I'm not sure the game or the targets notice.
Thanks again for all the guidance.
cjchasman

CaptJJ
03-17-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm not sure what T.R.U. meant when they said "speed loop" but I purchase and install them to help w/ peep alignment.

I answered that in the post previous to your's.:D

cjchasman
03-17-2011, 03:17 PM
I answered that in the post previous to your's.:D

Thanks CaptJJ I saw that. I appreciate the non-judgemental input. I was just trying to explain my expierience with the speed loop. When I bought it speed was not a consideration to me. I was having an issue w/ the peep rotating and the speed loop helped. I am now aware of different approaches and plan on trying them out. Good luck this turkey season.

cjchasman:)

bfisher
03-17-2011, 04:40 PM
cj,

I was not implying that you didn't have any common sense, although you obviously thought so. For that I'm sorry. What I was trying to say is that over a span of almost 40 years of shooting compound bows I"ve seen things come and go and tried a vast majority of them. Always a tinkerer I've learned to recognize most things that are worth their salt and what are just gimmicks. That's what I meant by the "common sense" remark. So maybe it's not so much common sense so much as learning by experience.

What I have learned is to not put bandaids on things, but take care of the underlying problem. In the case of peep rotation the problem is not the peep nor is it a string loop. It's the quality of the strings. And I understand that not everybody is going to trash their strings and get new ones.

Instead of using a speed loop I would take the time to at least get the peep in a location so that it rolls around square each time. I did this for many years until I found out about good quality aftermarket strings. Fortunately for us all many bow companies are beginning to give us better strings.

We could go on and on, but please never feel that I am berating you or anybody else. I am continually learning from the experience of others. You included. But let me say right now that I'm not gonna kiss and make up. LOL.

cyclepath
03-18-2011, 07:55 AM
How does a small piece of aluminum screwed to your string keep your peep aligned? My peep is now off since putting leaches on.

cjchasman
03-18-2011, 11:30 AM
How does a small piece of aluminum screwed to your string keep your peep aligned? My peep is now off since putting leaches on.

I'll try to explain...the package contains a blade shaped piece of aluminum w/ small screw attached clamping collars and a length of loop material. When this is properly attached to the bow string (blade to the portion of the string that needs to face you for alignment) it will remain in a fixed position on the string. I tie on the string loop first, then when attaching the aluminum piece you must adjust it to the fixed position on the string in which your peep is properly aligned. Tighten down the collars w/ the correct size screw driver and roll the loop around to line up w/ the blade. When you nock your arrow over the blade and place it in the arrow rest the peep will roll to the desired position time after time.

There are other ways to correct the peep rotation but I thought I would try and answer your question first. Check out some of the other posts on the matter. These guys will help you.

I'm sure I confused the issue more.

Chasman

Simple Life
03-19-2011, 04:47 AM
This is a good aticle to help stop peep rotation



When installing a new string, I recommend shooting approximately 50 shots through the bow before installing the peep. After installing the peep, make a note of which way the peep is facing you will use this as your guide. Nock an arrow, point it safely at the target butt and shoot; notice that the peep has rotated from its earlier position. The string will creep and settle for the first few shots. Once the string has settled, you’ll notice the peep will be in exactly the same position after the shot. It could take as little as twenty shots or as many as a few hundred, depending on the quality of the manufacturing processes and the material used in making the string.

Once the string has settled you can tune the peep, make sure that it is set to the correct height and begin by nocking an arrow and drawing the bow slowly, watch how the peep moves as the string goes through the draw cycle. This is will tell you what to do with the peep. If your peep rotates from left to right, press the bow and twist the string a ½ twist in the same direction. I recommend that you twist from the bottom cam end. Now shoot the bow several times to settle the peep. If it still does not roll into the proper position, repeat the process. Always shoot the bow several times to settle the peep before checking for position. If the peep settles exactly opposite, then just flip the peep to face you. Relax the string in the press only enough to be able to get the peep out and turn it a half turn. Remember that each time the bow is in the press you must shoot the bow several times to settle the string.

Occasionally the peep will settle just a little off no matter what you do. At this point any adjustment moves the peep too far; it is the time to flip strands. Relax the string again. Look carefully at the direction of the string twist. For example, if the normal twist of the string is clockwise, and your peep must move to the left a ¼ of a turn, take two strands from the top left side and flip them to the bottom right side. Then take two strands (make sure they aren’t the same two strands) from the bottom right side and flip them to the top left side. This will pull the peep over to the direction you want. If you want to move it the other way, just do the same steps in the opposite direction. Note: more strands will mean more movement.

Shoot the bow to re-settle the string and repeat as necessary… If you have the patience this will work…

Hutch~n~Son Archery
03-19-2011, 05:01 AM
Nice article. SL


HUTCH:cool:

archerx7
03-19-2011, 06:02 AM
This is a good aticle to help stop peep rotation



When installing a new string, I recommend shooting approximately 50 shots through the bow before installing the peep. After installing the peep, make a note of which way the peep is facing you will use this as your guide. Nock an arrow, point it safely at the target butt and shoot; notice that the peep has rotated from its earlier position. The string will creep and settle for the first few shots. Once the string has settled, you’ll notice the peep will be in exactly the same position after the shot. It could take as little as twenty shots or as many as a few hundred, depending on the quality of the manufacturing processes and the material used in making the string.

Once the string has settled you can tune the peep, make sure that it is set to the correct height and begin by nocking an arrow and drawing the bow slowly, watch how the peep moves as the string goes through the draw cycle. This is will tell you what to do with the peep. If your peep rotates from left to right, press the bow and twist the string a ½ twist in the same direction. I recommend that you twist from the bottom cam end. Now shoot the bow several times to settle the peep. If it still does not roll into the proper position, repeat the process. Always shoot the bow several times to settle the peep before checking for position. If the peep settles exactly opposite, then just flip the peep to face you. Relax the string in the press only enough to be able to get the peep out and turn it a half turn. Remember that each time the bow is in the press you must shoot the bow several times to settle the string.

Occasionally the peep will settle just a little off no matter what you do. At this point any adjustment moves the peep too far; it is the time to flip strands. Relax the string again. Look carefully at the direction of the string twist. For example, if the normal twist of the string is clockwise, and your peep must move to the left a ¼ of a turn, take two strands from the top left side and flip them to the bottom right side. Then take two strands (make sure they aren’t the same two strands) from the bottom right side and flip them to the top left side. This will pull the peep over to the direction you want. If you want to move it the other way, just do the same steps in the opposite direction. Note: more strands will mean more movement.

Shoot the bow to re-settle the string and repeat as necessary… If you have the patience this will work…

Very good information, but rather than flipping strands, use the serving above and below the peep to fine tune the peep alignment. If you do a 1/4" serving above and below you will be able to slide them up/down to wrap the string twists toward or away from the peep which will rotate the peep a small amount in either direction.

MLN1963
03-19-2011, 06:51 AM
Very good information, but rather than flipping strands, use the serving above and below the peep to fine tune the peep alignment. If you do a 1/4" serving above and below you will be able to slide them up/down to wrap the string twists toward or away from the peep which will rotate the peep a small amount in either direction.

I'm not able to visualize what is going on in this part. Can someone break it down for me?

archerx7
03-20-2011, 06:49 AM
I'm not able to visualize what is going on in this part. Can someone break it down for me?

With a 2 color balanced string, the peep is installed between the 2 colors which is normally the true center of the string. Most people will then tie the peep in place with a small amount of serving above and below the peep where the 2 colors come together. If you keep this serving around 1/4" and don't get it extremely tight you will be able to slide it up or down the string. If you look at the direction of the string twist you will be able to see if you slide both servings up or down it will wrap the twists towards/away from the peep forcing it to slightly twist in one direction or the other. This works very well when you only need to get a 1/4 turn or less on the peep to get it centered, and you don't need a press to flip strands from one side to another.

MLN1963
03-20-2011, 07:36 AM
With a 2 color balanced string, the peep is installed between the 2 colors which is normally the true center of the string. Most people will then tie the peep in place with a small amount of serving above and below the peep where the 2 colors come together. If you keep this serving around 1/4" and don't get it extremely tight you will be able to slide it up or down the string. If you look at the direction of the string twist you will be able to see if you slide both servings up or down it will wrap the twists towards/away from the peep forcing it to slightly twist in one direction or the other. This works very well when you only need to get a 1/4 turn or less on the peep to get it centered, and you don't need a press to flip strands from one side to another.

I understand now. Once you have moved it into position to you tighten up the serving to hold it there or just leave it as is?

archerx7
03-20-2011, 08:44 AM
I understand now. Once you have moved it into position to you tighten up the serving to hold it there or just leave it as is?

If the serving is tight enough that it won't move on its own, you shouldn't have to do anything else with it.

cyclepath
03-20-2011, 12:08 PM
If you keep this serving around 1/4" and don't get it extremely tight you will be able to slide it up or down the string. If you look at the direction of the string twist you will be able to see if you slide both servings up or down it will wrap the twists towards/away from the peep forcing it to slightly twist in one direction or the other.

Question: if you don't serve the peep in tight and are able to slide the servings up or down wouldn't that allow the peep to creep and mess up your anchor point?

justin
03-20-2011, 02:37 PM
your peep could move, and might a little bit. you wont notice it though

archerx7
03-20-2011, 04:31 PM
Question: if you don't serve the peep in tight and are able to slide the servings up or down wouldn't that allow the peep to creep and mess up your anchor point?

Serve the peep itself good and tight and it won't move when you slide the serving toward or away from it.

MLN1963
03-20-2011, 06:22 PM
Can you post a picture of what this looks like?

Spiker
03-20-2011, 09:40 PM
In this case, if you want to rotate the peep a bit to the left, you would push the serving that is above and below the peep UP a bit.
http://martinarchery.com/mtechforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2225&d=1300675045

MLN1963
03-21-2011, 04:23 AM
Is is just the picture or is there no serving on the peep?

Spiker
03-21-2011, 04:39 AM
The peep is tied on. Black thread, kinda hard to see in pic.

cyclepath
03-21-2011, 09:51 AM
Thanks for the picture. Is there a rule of thumb as to how much to adjust? Say move the serving a 1/4" if your peep needs to be moved a 1/4 turn or is trial and error?

bfisher
03-21-2011, 12:20 PM
Sorry, but I gotta laugh. You ask a lot of questions and this is one way to learn. Won't fault you for that, but a lot of adjustments are trial and error. I just hope you can accept my humor.