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Barry O'Regan
03-27-2011, 05:01 AM
Automakers have classic car touring classes, showing the best technology of that long ago era.

Bow Manufacturers put a lot of time, money and effort to get us to where we are now. Lest we not forget the original old school technology of premium craftsmanship and North American know how of old that got us to where we are today, with 350+ fps speeds.

I think it would be a great idea in 3D shoots to have an old school division for pre 1980 compound bows like Hoyt, Martin, Pearson, Bear, PSE, Oneida etc before the advent of fast flite string and super lite carbons.

While wood and glass limbs with metal cables were bulky and slowed down the arrow, you couldn't get a quieter, accurate 200 fps bow.

Perhaps a boon to archery manufacturers and their technical skills in following Allen and his first 1960s compound bow.

I still have my 1982 Martin Cougar Magnum I shoot as a finger shooter at least once a month and everyone notices how whisper quiet it is, and accurate, granted the 500 grain arrow helps, as a lite carbon arrow would grenade the bow.

How many of us still have our old school bows hanging on the wall unused, I think it's time to dust em off, tune em up and use them as they were intended... to shoot!

So what do you all think? Should a division of Old School Bows have their own place, with aluminum arrows, pre 1980 bows, metal cables and all?

Old timers will reminisce and newer archers would be surprised by these slower bows accuracy and excellent workmanship.

How many of us still enjoy shooting our old school technology?

Guaranteed it would separate the men from the boys when it comes to determining yardage, as anyone know from Old School flatter trajectories were non existent when compared to bows of today.

Anyway, I'm just throwing this idea out there!

1982 Martin Cougar Magnum
Bohning Archery-Bohning Archery Staff Shooter.

SonnyThomas
03-27-2011, 05:26 AM
Old shooter bows still travel the 3D courses as well as spot events. To form a class probably would be futile. Though well taken care of, the now many years old wood risers and wood laminated limbs may begin to fail.

bfisher
03-27-2011, 05:40 AM
Barry,

Welcome to the Martin Tech Forum. Whne I first saw your name I didn't recognize it and thought "Another spammer to get rid of". Upon clicking on and reading your post I found it quite refreshing to read such a nice idea; especially for your first post here.

I see you have in your signature a 1982 Cougar. Although I never had a Martin bow back then I did have several others. My all time favorite being 1977 Jennings Arrowstar, probably because it was my best shooter from those years. Maybe it had something to do with my age, eyesight, and other factors, Huh?

Just your post here has brought back a lot of memories and thoughts about bows from that era. I think in many ways they were better shooters than a lot of bows today. Being of the longer a2a variety, higher brace height, round wheels. Yes, they were slower and had more "hand shock" just due to their design, but in most cases the grip section was right in the middle of the bow which made them draw and balance much nicer than bows of today; something that many younger shooters today have never had the pleasure of experiencing.

I could go on, but just wish to welcome you here. If you haven't already done so please fill out some information in your profile so we might know a little more about you. This is a nice forum and almost family like with quite a few regulars here. You are welcome to join us.

Barry

boothill
03-27-2011, 06:30 AM
@ bfisher did your Jennings have the old Carroll style riser on it? My first compund was a Jennings but not sure if it was the Arrowstar or the T-Star. That was the best feeling grip of all time I think. Was at my Martin dealer yesterday and he had a Oneida Strike Eagle hanging there he had worked on for a guy. I had 2 different Onieda Phantoms and a Strike Eagle. Most folks couldn't stand them but those were the smoothest drawing and shooting bows ever. Just a touch on the long and heavy side is all.

SonnyThomas
03-27-2011, 08:47 AM
I didn't notice you being a junior member. Welcome.

Additonal; Every so often I get down one of the old wall hangers and give them a test shot or two. one that always makes me smile is a Pearson target wheel bow, blue riser and white limbs. Only 37 pounds max (sticker on limb), it is a bit short for me. I anchor middle finger to front center of my chin. I use Beman Junior Hunters with 90 gr field points. From the 20 yard line just about all the 3D targets on the indoor floor can be 10ed regularly and no sights. For no sights I do fairly well shooting the NFAA single spot - okay, far from great, but shocks a few of the compound kids. If I were to chalk the field tips I might do a little better. I'll have to check to see which oldie, but there are a couple just over 48" ata and one 50", I think.

Almost forgot. Over on AT someone posted of ancient compounds, 5 years or older. I'm about ready to get out my Ole War Horse, (2000 UltraTec) and whomp some butt....

gravedigger
03-27-2011, 11:12 AM
welcom.i agree nice way to make an intro.i do not shoot 3d circut nor do i follow it so i cant say much on bringing in ol school,but it does sound like a great idea..

bfisher
03-27-2011, 11:40 AM
It would be really nice if the ASA or IBO came up with a class for such bows, even if only for a couple shoots just to see how much interest there would be.

Boothill, try looking down the list on Archery History. Bows from the 1970's. There's a pic of an Arrowstar, 4 wheel compound. Mine had a black riser and white limbs. And surprisingly shot at 232 fps. It peaked at 51# and was shooting X7 1614 arrows with target points. I still have remnants of the couple robinhoods I shot with it. One was a dead center X at 48 yards during the 1979 PSAA Field Chamionships, my best year of shooting.

boothill
03-27-2011, 01:16 PM
Bfisher I'm thinking mine was a Forked Lightening just looking at the pictures. I don't remember those stickers on it but the grip looks the same. It has 30% letoff wheels on it with the steel cables and I put 65% on it when thet came out. I wish I still had it.

SonnyThomas
03-28-2011, 01:42 PM
Our club president has a couple old shooters. Like '74 or 75.

bfisher
03-28-2011, 02:57 PM
I know it's on Archery History, but those two are the old Cam-Act I believe. As many years as I've been shooting I've never seen one on a course. I guess they were too removed from the norm for most people to swallow.

SonnyThomas
03-28-2011, 06:59 PM
The most advanced bows of the time and still unbelievable today. Too much to relate, but check out Archery History - talk about colored target bows - Awesome. All in one bow, tremendous draw length adjustment and draw weight from 20 to 80 pounds - same cams, same limbs, mod adjustment and short cable switch. These bows also have positive draw stops, but make a "click" sound when hitting.

The all Martin camo is just that Martin camo. The stabilizer is not really a stabilizer. It's for storage. Pat's father bought this bow new and killed a deer with it the same year. Vice President of our club also has a Kam-Act which I believe his wife shot. So 3 that I know of.

I sent Terry Martin the picture today. I ran across it while sorting my pictures. I had sent it way back when, but I guess he didn't get it. I understood he was interested in the Camo bow for the Martin History collection.

straightshooter
04-08-2011, 08:26 AM
My archery club has a heritage day shoot where all you can use is old stuff ..It's a hoot ..some of the old bows are still kicking it ...I shoot a Brown Bear with the old brass pins. It would be cool to go to an A.S.A championship with an old bow ...AND WIN ?

Barry O'Regan
07-15-2011, 05:47 AM
Barry,

Welcome to the Martin Tech Forum. Whne I first saw your name I didn't recognize it and thought "Another spammer to get rid of". Upon clicking on and reading your post I found it quite refreshing to read such a nice idea; especially for your first post here.

I see you have in your signature a 1982 Cougar. Although I never had a Martin bow back then I did have several others. My all time favorite being 1977 Jennings Arrowstar, probably because it was my best shooter from those years. Maybe it had something to do with my age, eyesight, and other factors, Huh?

Just your post here has brought back a lot of memories and thoughts about bows from that era. I think in many ways they were better shooters than a lot of bows today. Being of the longer a2a variety, higher brace height, round wheels. Yes, they were slower and had more "hand shock" just due to their design, but in most cases the grip section was right in the middle of the bow which made them draw and balance much nicer than bows of today; something that many younger shooters today have never had the pleasure of experiencing.

I could go on, but just wish to welcome you here. If you haven't already done so please fill out some information in your profile so we might know a little more about you. This is a nice forum and almost family like with quite a few regulars here. You are welcome to join us.

Barry

Thanks, I filled in my profile, but for some reason profile photo or even a Martin Avatar under 60KB keeps getting a failure to upload!

Barry O'Regan
07-15-2011, 05:50 AM
Old shooter bows still travel the 3D courses as well as spot events. To form a class probably would be futile. Though well taken care of, the now many years old wood risers and wood laminated limbs may begin to fail.

I shoot mine at least once a week with nary a failure, speaks volumes in Martin Quality, even 28 years later. If the limb one day ever fails, I am sure I can find a replacement somewhere. My Cougar Magnum is one of the most quietest bows out there. Of course I would never chance shooting it with todays arrows, only 500 grain all aluminum arrow for my Cougar will do.

Barry O'Regan
07-15-2011, 06:03 AM
Here is a photo of my 1990s Martin Bengal, still kicks butt and takin whether shooting 90 meters or shooting 3D or robin hooding competitors arrows. Its a beast!

Arrow Splitter
07-15-2011, 06:04 AM
Thanks, I filled in my profile, but for some reason profile photo or even a Martin Avatar under 60KB keeps getting a failure to upload!That's odd. I don't believe it will accept an animated picture, but a regular photo shouldn't have a problem.

Arrow Splitter
07-15-2011, 06:05 AM
By the way, Welcome to the Martin Tech Forum, and good shooting.

A.S

NeilMac
07-15-2011, 06:39 AM
Nice idea Barry.

I still have the second bow I ever bought.

My first was a Hoyt Ram hunter or similar, it was on offer as it was last years model, so that would have made it a 1985.

In 1988/9 I treated myself to a shiny new Martin Lynx XR. It still shoots well with 2117 aluminium arrows, but I do find the old pin sight with painted brass pins a little odd to use.

Destroyer
07-15-2011, 03:28 PM
A Vintage Class? Interesting but I'm with Sonny, I don't think it would be successful. Might drive up the price of old bows though. ;)

peace
07-17-2011, 09:08 AM
My first compound bow was an old Indian Archery bow with a big old honkin wood riser, man she was beautiful, but a beast to shoot, :cool: when compared to the bows of today. I wish I had a picture of her.

I just used this thread to take a stroll down memory lane, Ahhh!!!

cjchasman
07-18-2011, 01:18 PM
Nice gathering of bows Sonny! Makes me wish I would have held on to some of my old pass along, hand me down bows. Nice range in the backgound by the way.

Destroyer
07-18-2011, 04:48 PM
All those bows and a free range? Your a lucky man Sonny! ;)

Arrow Splitter
07-18-2011, 05:40 PM
I ought to set up one and take it a range and shoot it both ways. Sure should blow some minds.Now that would be cool.:cool::cool:

Destroyer
07-18-2011, 08:23 PM
one has to sign a waiver for liability reasons.

Most sellers would care a fig for that, impressed! :)

cyclepath
07-29-2011, 02:40 PM
Don't some of the shoots have like a senior class or something like that? I would be interested to see how many of them would use older technology. A couple friends shoot recurve at events and do alot better than some of the compound shooters. Shame nothing around my neck of the woods for some good shoots, 100 or better miles.

Barry O'Regan
09-11-2011, 06:36 PM
I was serious about an Old School Archery Division, though no 3D shoot wanted to have this division, so I took it upon myself to go ahead and go head to head with archers with top of the line bows.

I have just completed a 3d tourney today using my 1982 Cougar Magnum. To read the outcome and review with photos I have started a new thread in this Target and 3D Forum.

Bottom Line, never turn your nose up at a Martin, especially a 30 year old Martin, cause you is gonna be eatin humble pie,and plenty of it!

Arrow Splitter
09-12-2011, 03:34 PM
Bottom Line, never turn your nose up at a Martin, especially a 30 year old Martin, cause you is gonna be eatin humble pie,and plenty of it!x2:cool::cool::cool:

Mo0se
04-11-2012, 02:21 PM
They already do..it's called Traditional! Sorry..couldn't resist..good idea though! :)