D loop or no D loop?
Who shoots with a d loop?
I started off in archery, shooting off the string. I did this for a few years. I later found out the benefits of shooting with a d loop. I even tried a metal loop.:eek:
Now I found that the string d loop tied properly is one of the best ways to shoot More accurately.
D loop or no D loop?
I do both. My hunting bow and one 3D bow are shot off the string. My target bows are shot with a loop. Personally, if using a thumb, pull through or back tension release then you really need a loop. As for accuracy, I doubt that there is that much of a difference. If anything a loop sure cuts down on center serving wear. And no matter what some think a loop requires the bow's draw length shortened so that the shooter can maintain a proper anchor point. This BS of just drawing the draw arm back farther doesn't get it.
Some of the Pros tell of their system for loops. They get the draw length of the bow close and then they cut several different lengths of loop material and try each until they get a good solid draw length and anchor point.
I shoot off a D loop. I Buy 5 ft at a time off Ebay for $5.00 And change it every 3-5 Months. + leave a extra piece in my back pack just in case.
I'd be scared to use the Metal loop. Can't imagine if the string happened to break. It Probably would split ya pretty good.
For years, I avoided a D loop.
I just didn't want to add that much weight to my string, and have to "shorten" my draw length.
I used to use a James Greene Gator Jaw release, so that I got the center pull on the nock, without the loop.
As I learned more, I realized that the loop doesn't have a damn thing to do with your draw length.
When I stopped trying to cut off my right ear, with my string, and actually set my bow's draw length, to fit me, I realized that a loop really didn't cost you enough honest speed, to outweigh it's benefits.
I use a d-loop - changing it is easier then reserving the string for me. And i still use the second one i've made for over a year :D
I tried the metal D loop years ago. Hated it. Now I use a string loop on all my bows. The only drawback I have seen is if your release has a bit of a rough edge it'll fray the loop material. Easy to fix once seen though. I'll probably shoot a string loop from now on.
D loop or no D loop?
Thumbs up here, copterdoc. Most people just don't understand that they have a draw length that includes a good anchor point. This never changes unless the shooter changes something within hold or form. They then should adjust the bow's draw length to fit them which includes the *type of release. Most loops can be made so that the bow's draw length only needs reduced half an inch. So 5 fps on average. No big loss.
Originally Posted by copterdoc
*I have one bow set up so close to border line that it requires a change (1/2") in it's draw length to accommodate the two bt releases I use. Another bow requires a one inch change in draw length depending on shooting off the string or shooting with a loop.
Well, I do things differently. I shoot a rope release. The reasons are several.
First, it's because that's what I learned to shoot with back in the mid 70's. The rope hooked up under the nock is about the same a "P" loop. which is a loop with both knots tied below the arrow nock.
Secondly, I tried a loop once and was shooting a True Ball Short&Sweet release. No matter what I did I just could not get that release short enough to fit me comfortably. I know there are other releases that might work (Carter?) but I just am not that serious a shooter any more to spend the time and money to find one. I am, however, still tossing around the idea of a Cascade Saturday Night Special. I have fairly small hands and Cascade fits my hand well.
Third, while I respect you other guys' opinions and experience about not having to shorten the bow's draw length or shorten only about a half inch I'm one of those poor souls that am always shooting right at or near the bottom setting for draw length as it is. I'm not worried so much about the couple fps speed loss as much as the idea that to get a shorter draw length bow I'd have to shoot one that has a shorter a2a than I care to shoot. So where I'd gain a slight amount of accuracy using a loop I'd lose said accuracy with a shorter bow, and probably not be as comfortable doing so.
Thinking about this just a bit further I think the length of the rope vs the length of the loop would pretty much be the same. Dumb me. I don't care. I still ain't shooting one of those ultra-short bows.
good for you barry stick to your guns or in ths case bows;)
Ok I have to admit I shot a metal loop for years..as a machinist i trusted it way more then a chunk of rope..I did not care about loss of speed eather.. see I bought a new bow fast as fast was in the day.. set it up like i wanted .. metal surenoc in all..got the sort of speed i wanted.. 280's with heavy arrow.. I was sold no need to change a thing..season after season all was great..it never let me down.. re-tunning was a breaze. once it was time for a new string,I went the way of the D loop and see that i had nothing to be worried about... i have no trouble setting nock pt's or keeping a peep in line.. That loss of speed i never missed was sure nice to get back thou...had to shorten the gap in the ole 5pin, i keep as a back up