i already posted details in my ramblings in the "groups" thread. posts 62-64,so ill refrain from reposting. this is the finish product. i think this one will last awhile. i wrapped the whole thing in an old trampoline mat. its kinda cool the way it turned out w a 3/4 round outline on the target face. as much as id like to say i planned that,I didnt. after i got it wrapped,I made a nice base for it. total weight is 72lbs. thickness is just shy of 18". 8" of penetration at 6ft w the Cheetah at 28.5/60 shooting a 26.75" Harvest Time HT-2 400 spine at 7.4gpi and tipped w 100gr FP. im very happy with the way it turned out.