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    Quote Originally Posted by elkslayer4x5 View Post
    Could Dave Barnsdale match the looks of you old Cougar limbs? Rather like the idea of building a Frankencurve. And I'm sure Dave could make the limbs to do so. I've seen lots of other Frankenbows, but most where cam changes, not compound to recurve. But then, for half the dough for a new bow, the old girl would be sportin new limbs and shooting harder than ever, probablly with less poundage, which even an aging jarhead's shoulder would apprecite. I know I wish that I'd taken better care of my shoulder when I was 40!
    This is called a Warf, not sure what a Star Trek character has to do with converting a compound to a recurve, apperntly the guy who started doing this had big boxer ( dog, not a prizefighter) named Warf and thats what Bob called his conversions.

    http://www.tradtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30031

    As I said earlier I liked the idea of a Frankencurve, and when I followed Magnus777's link to the Pirates of Archery thread and saw a Lynx warf, I took another look at the old Lynx Magnum my neighbor had given me, after a rat had chewed a hole into his plastic case and did what rats do, which left a lot of corrosion behind, especially on the cams? or wheels....



    So I tore it down and striped the riser of the old black and brown camo paint job, and am now looking for a set of ILF limbs. Gonna give thise a try, so Thanks Sledge for directing me to another way to enjoy this wonderfull sport we call archery.

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    I have some 5M 17" Elite limbs for sale for $80 tyd. I don't know what the poundage will be at that deflection or if they will fit the limb pockets on your riser but someone should know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkslayer4x5 View Post
    ...after a rat had chewed a hole into his plastic case and did what rats do, which left a lot of corrosion behind, especially on the cams? or wheels....
    @$#!&% RATS! They must have known there was a sleeping cat iniside...poor kitty!

    That riser is magnesium, right? Looks kind of good with that satin finish. Are you going to keep it like that, maybe polish it a bit more, or recoat? Would make a dandy target bow, I'm sure!

    If you plan to recoat, I'll tell you something else I'm considering, and that's using Duracoat, the firearms refinish coating. If you're not familiar with it, it's a plastisized, paint-on, air-cure refinish that's tough as nails, wears like iron, and won't chip. I've redone an old Knight Muzzleloader in satin black, and an NEF single-shot 30/06 in a gun blue with nothing more than a cheap airbrush. Then, just for grins, I refinished the head of a 3lb sledge hammer, and went to town on an anvil...bricks...rocks! Nicked it up, scratched it, and generally tore it up pretty good, but it held up amazingly well! On an a bow, or rifle, even a truck gun that gets banged around pretty good, I imagine it would last a lifetime.

    At any rate, for you pups that may be following this thread...those "round things", the ones attached to the cables in elkslayers pics, and the ones on the end of the limbs in mine...those are called "wheels". Martin "Flite Wheels" to be specific. Archaic, I know... Hehehe! Hey, with the finish worn off those rat chewed wheels, now I know they are metal, and not plastic. Interesting. I wonder if they're aluminum, of magnesium?

    BTW, if you haven't done so already, and you have the time, browse through POA some more...I found quite a few more projects like that one. All very nice...gave me lots of ideas!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scepterman30x View Post
    I have some 5M 17" Elite limbs for sale for $80 tyd. I don't know what the poundage will be at that deflection or if they will fit the limb pockets on your riser but someone should know.
    I'm still not sure how the deflection numbers correlate to draw weight, although I've been trying to find out. Do know mine are a #10.

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    Sledge, the riser is cast aluminum, the dark spots are pits where the corrosion ate into the aluminum, as you can see, did quite a job on the flight wheels which may be magnesium, although they're corroded as all get out, they still seem strong, at least all that chips off of them is the paint, unlike the riser where the corrosion ate into the side if one the detents for the ball bearing the limbs pivoted on.
    At this point, I'm un sure if I'm going to get the riser dipped in a nice wood grain to go with something like these TradTech Glass/Wood Recurve limbs,

    http://www.lancasterarchery.com/trad...by-samick.html

    or just break out a rattle can and paint it, So happens that I have a half can left over from repainting my gun safe, Rust-Oleum 'Ultra Cover' in Satin Espresso which would look good with these Tradtech Black Max Glass/Wood Recurve limbs.

    http://www.lancasterarchery.com/trad...rve-limbs.html

    I'd have to go with the medium linbs because of my long draw, 31" with a recurve, but both limbs come in mediums. ( Yeah, I'm ape armed, know any other guy 5'10"who can reach an 8' ceiling?) giving me a 63" bow, a length that I'm comfortable with. Should be smooth on the draw and quick. about 195 fps

    http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...=556758&page=1

    Septerman30x, I'll get back to you on the 5M elites, am needing a set for my Cougar lll Elite. I'm calling dibs, guys
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    [QUOTE=elkslayer4x5;71927]...or just break out a rattle can and paint it, So happens that I have a half can left over from repainting my gun safe, Rust-Oleum 'Ultra Cover' in Satin Espresso which would look good with these Tradtech Black Max Glass/Wood Recurve limbs.[QUOTE]

    NOOOOOOO! Spray paint is the DEVIL! Lol!

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    Told my son last night that it would look good media blasted, but too good, How about a nice powder coat? Want to have a friend air brush a local type of blackberry vine wraped around it. Dellcious berries, vicious thorns on long tough canes. Nice looking...from a distance! The stuff is every where here in the south end of the Willamette Valley, which, I'm told supplies 90% of the blackberries sold in the US. All of those berries account for big butted bears like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elkslayer4x5 View Post
    Told my son last night that it would look good media blasted, but too good, How about a nice powder coat? Want to have a friend air brush a local type of blackberry vine wraped around it. Dellcious berries, vicious thorns on long tough canes. Nice looking...from a distance! The stuff is every where here in the south end of the Willamette Valley, which, I'm told supplies 90% of the blackberries sold in the US. All of those berries account for big butted bears like this.

    Powdercoating can produce a beautiful, very durable finish. A powdercoat base coat with airbrush work like that most definitely require some showing off! Before you mentioned it, I had been playing w/ the idea of having a new bow airbrushed with tattoo art, like a full sleeve. The center-piece would off course have to be...a Cougar! Black panther, either one.

    I just noticed your signature, elkslayer...Jeremiah Johnson! Classic, and one of my favorite movies!

    The butt on that bear reminds me of a girl I used to date. Ok...ok...it reminds me of several girls I used to date..

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    I looked at a lot of powders yesterday, seem that brown is'nt all that popular a color for powder coating, Eastwood does'nt have it.

    http://www.eastwood.com/ Hey Spiker, know of any powdercoating in a brown?

    So its either match the Black MAx limbs fromTradTech or the Dark Earth from Duracoat.

    http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/612...ark-earth-4-oz

    Yeah, always really liked that movie.
    Can ya skin griz, pilgram?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnus777 View Post
    Hello. I have and old M-41 Cougar Speed-Flite that I just dearly love. I had a pro-shop special order it back in 1993, with the wooden recurve limbs, and Speed-Flight wheels specifically to shoot with fingers. I have never cast an arrow from a compound bow that was better looking, more silky-smooth to draw, with absolutely zero shock after release...and just an all around pleasure to shoot! Suffice to say, I am very fond of it, even though she's a hefty beast by today's standards, and I see little reason to replace it. However, there is a problem...over the years I've been quite lax about turning down the poundage in the off season, and as a result those wonderful wood limbs have steadily lost poundage. I ordered it with a 65-80lb. draw weight; now, nearly 20 years later, the peak, measured draw weight is 59lbs.
    I know it's a long shot, but might their possibly be some NOS limbs for this bow gathering dust in a dark corner somewhere? I posed this question to Martin, but while I'm waiting on a reply I thought I would ask around in the Tech Forum. Of course I would love to have a duplicate set like the ones that came on it, but to keep from having to retire it I would go for fiberglass, in whatever color is out there. As I understand it from reading the forums, limbs from some other models may indeed fit on my riser, and I would be open to this, also. Is there perhaps a company, or enterprising individual out there making custom, one-off limb sets? Or do I just have to accept the fact that the old girl has reached the end of her life? Please say it isn't so!
    As an aside, is it safe to shoot with the original limbs, seeing as how they are more than 5lbs. under spec? Thanks in advance for your consideration. Any suggestions will be gladly accepted.
    I just competed in a 3d shoot last week October 16, 2011 with my 1982 Martin Cougar Magnum, getting 1st place in Bowhunter division.

    Last month I came in 2nd place at a 3d shoot with my 30 year old bow again, so in answer to your question, yeah let your Martin age gracefully and take away some 1st place ribbons away from guys with high tech bows. I was taking 60 yard shots into the 8 ring with mine, and that was with no sights and fingers, no release.

    My 1982 Martin Cougar Magnum is my pride and joy, it is a blazingly fast 189 fps with a 450 grain arrow.
    I still think 3d shoots should have a Old School Division, using pre 1990 bows with Dacron strings and teardrop metal cables.
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