My earlier post might sound a little confusing so I will explain. I have an #60 Onza 3 that was so noisy I was scared to shoot it. I searched every noise post on several forums, then I came across one an this forum that started as Buzzing c-clips. As stated in the post I wrapped floss under the c-clips and waxed over the clips to hold the floss in place. It worked. It's now the quietest bow I have ever owned.